# Short and Sweet **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [August 15, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/short-and-sweet/31597 "2009-08-15T19:04:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 5:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/short-and-sweet/31597/61 "2010-02-15T05:30:40Z")
> [@developingperfectionist](#): > > **Mone OD** > > I didn’t shower for a full day after the last application. I felt ghosted the entire day. A lot of people seemed distant toward me, which is cold. > > I am also contemplating gaining weight again. I went from 170 lbs to 140lbs recently (@ 5’8), so while I am RIPPED, I don’t think I am bringing that masculine look to the table. geez… were you bulked out at 170? 30 lbs is an amazing cut. ---
**Author:** ![developingperfectionist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@developingperfectionist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/developingperfectionist)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 4:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/short-and-sweet/31597/62 "2010-02-16T04:50:56Z")
> [@jayarea](#): > > geez… were you bulked out at 170? 30 lbs is an amazing cut. Yeah … I lift a lot. I went on a straight protein diet for a while, which was much tougher than it seemed. My pullup count has now gone way up, but, I’m at the point where I’m too skinny again. Trying to gain 20 pounds of pure muscle is not easy though. As we speak, my forearm is cramping up from a working six hours ago. ---
**Author:** ![developingperfectionist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@developingperfectionist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/developingperfectionist)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 9:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/short-and-sweet/31597/63 "2010-02-22T09:15:57Z")
1.5X of 2X Ammo 4X P83 1 IG 2 CCTTM 2 MEO I don’t doubt that from time to time, I mess up catastrophically. I’m trying to write this coherently, and as best as I recall. It’s been a few days already, and I should have just logged this when it happened, but you know how time is ..especially at college. We find we dance the time away doing the dumbest things, which really is when I listen to Youtube .. find a great song and piss off hours away. But I will end my bullshit rant right now. Anywho, for those looking on … it’s fairly obvious I went overboard with the Ammo. I am 22, Asian, so I’m never really sure how much mones I produce in the first place. It was a good night and a bad night. Any Asian girl I approached, and she was apprehensive toward me. For other races, they seemed ok with me. However, during this night I had really great conversational skills … or maybe it was just the CTTM that made me feel as if I could go up to anyone and just talk to them. Which is really a lot of what I did, which wasn’t bad. I felt really good doing it. I met a few people, got cockblocked a bit, but I am surprised at just how confident I was. It makes me extremely curious to the post that talked about one of the MXs that spoke about the ability to speak to others about it. It made me really happy. I have a theory, and posting on this journal is a pain at times since there is so much I want to write about with such limited time … but it’s the role of mones and what races really respond to none. My ex who was Indian … whenever I put one spray of Ammo (2x) on would absolutely be smelling like a crazy woman. What is that smell?! What is it? And of course, I never said anything. With Asians though, the nols are of utmost importance. I never have trouble with Asian girls (at least not ridiculous trouble), but this night I did. It was painful. I talked to this Asian girl … just because I thought her friend was extremely attractive, and I failed at that. There is a lot of improvement that I can make to my character and my ability to speak to others. Always wanting to push myself and think. On the other hand, I really have to make sure I stay in my room less. With me and my roommate we can effectively waste days on end, not doing anything productive whatsoever. It is a loop I have to watch out for and be smart about. I just had a late credit card payment, and I’m knocking myself over for being such an idiot about it. Good night: Awesome confidence. Maybe going out on a constant basis is great. Bad night: Too much none? This is a very difficult one, but I saw an Indian girl who kept on putting her finger next to her nose. Now, I was talking to her, so I’m sure not sure if I smell or it was her being self-conscious (indian girls sometimes may have moustaches that they are scared of) so I really don’t know. It’s baffling really. To Asians – clearly something was amiss. I don’t have trouble with talking to Asian girls, as its generally them staring at it. I was using them as a practice ball that wasn’t going too well, but then to others it was working out well. Frustrating, since there are always so many variables unaccounted for. I am fairly good looking for an Asian, and the asian girls I was talking to HATED me. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![developingperfectionist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@developingperfectionist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/developingperfectionist)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 12:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/short-and-sweet/31597/64 "2010-03-07T00:16:24Z")
**February 26 - Friday** Going out 3 MEO 2 297 4 IS 3 [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) 2 IG I can’t believe it’s taken me a full week to even log about this. Given, I’ve been thinking about it from time to time, but still … it has been quite some time! A full week! Imagine a nagging thought in the back of your head … and that would be that thought! Log it! Remember! Log it! And then I forgot. I do have a lot of trouble seeing if mixes work. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t, sometimes I’m not congruent enough, sometimes I just don’t have the ballsy confidence that others can pull off such an application. I’m already having trouble remember what’s happening, since there is so much that happens. I met with a few friends of mine, and did observe some hits … nothing truly notable. At the bar, this was weird since I was talking to a girl that I had opened up. Conversation was a bit tough, since I just wanted to get my drink, but I think that I could have been much more interesting in my talk. I’m messing up here a lot, and I am getting better at opening up and talking to people. However, my conversations have yet to be improved upon. They should! I opened up a female earlier at the bar, and later on she did grab my shoulder and was like “are you still waiting” haha … what I really should have done was talk to her … but I didn’t manage this at all. There’s a lot of social dynamics I should have realized and understood that I could have just talked to her. Considering she was actually more attractive than the person I was already talking to. **February 27** Went out to a local bar 2 P83 2 IG 2 MX302 This night went a bit better, went out and talked to a few people. I didn’t have that time, or expected to, because my friends were late, so we left really late also. One of the notable aspects was, because we went in a large group, it was easier for me to approach others and talk to them (no fear, considering if I end up not making any friends, that is what is) One girl did open me up (hey we have the same phone) ran some banter … didn’t work as well as I thought. I think my haircut needs a lot of work, since it’s not really getting any results at all. And maybe a huge chunk of my body language needs much better work. I’ve been trying to improve on this, hasn’t always worked as well as I hoped … However, this girl is Asian. I find the MX301/MX302 (I may be biased in some ways) works better on Asians. I’m not sure. It might be the IG. Normally I’ve run a lot of IG and 301/302 around Asians and it seems to work, but this time it didn’t work so well. Girls at bars can be difficult though, because they are already well-dressed and slightly “pompous” in nature. The Caucasian found me cute, but I didn’t quite care, because I was more/less depressed about why my first set didn’t work out so well. Later on, I did talk to a group of Indians … they were responding well, until the group left and they had to go. Probably a bad idea considering it was at 2AM when I did the approach, and the bar closes at 2AM. I fail. ---
**Author:** ![developingperfectionist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@developingperfectionist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/developingperfectionist)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2010, 12:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/short-and-sweet/31597/65 "2010-03-07T00:16:45Z")
**March 2** 2 IG 1 Ammo 2 MEO Tougher night really since it was a slow Tuesday. I didn’t know what quite to expect (or anything for that matter.) I did manage to open up two sets today, which makes me smile because at least now I know it’s easier to do than before. Before my approach anxiety was tremendous! Now it’s slightly less. Some things go well, some things go bad. Getting past the fear of rejection has helped I guess. I still have it, but it’s not as bad as it used to be. I use a lot of situational openers, because canned material makes me fearful that I’ll get caught. I really should just use canned material, because as much as I admit it, my game is still awful. I use a lot of mones just to push me, and not “waste mones”. The frequent use of this has made me use mones a lot, and push myself much more to talk to others. It helps! I still should manage my time a bit better so that I can do more approaches, go out more, and quit avoiding my fears. I really do wish I had a job right now though, because I am hiding a lot of fears I have about employment. I don’t want to let it show, but sometimes I’m thinking about talking a huge step back and just applying to as many jobs as I can, find employment, and then go out trying to meet as many women as much as possible. **March 5** 2 IG 2 302 1 IO This was a weird night. Didn’t work as well as I thought, but maybe it did. I talked to a few people since I went to a nearby institution. I guess I had hitched and expected the lack of males at this school would make it an easier night for me … but I guess I was wrong. Loud bars are very difficult to talk to people in. I should really watch out for this. Once the music gets loud, it becomes impossible without shouting. That only makes it seem like I’m trying too hard. Fuck. This happened yesterday, and I didn’t know what to do. It was really tough, and I tried to change it around and make it work. Obviously it didn’t work, which was painful. At the dance floor, I did seem to have someone who was very attracted toward me. This was awkward, because I didn’t really know who she was … and she remembered my name right off the bat. I was surprised, because I did not recall meeting her at all though. Later on, I talked to a few people that were sitting on a table. It was easier to talk to one of them, the other one seemed almost “bored,” which was difficult for me to gauge. ---
**Author:** ![developingperfectionist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@developingperfectionist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/developingperfectionist)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2010, 3:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/short-and-sweet/31597/66 "2010-03-14T03:03:33Z")
**March 13** 2 MX352 2 IO Each time I do an update, I’m so surprised at how long it’s been since my last update. Tried the 352 series again today. May I haven’t had as much luck as others … or maybe I just wasn’t noticing the effects as well as I should have. Didn’t see anything notable that came out of using it like this. I did have an Asian girl that looked at me a few times on the train, but she was with another friend and a male, so I didn’t chase. Aside from that, I’m not so sure. Not going to apply mones until I fully shower tomorrow … I haven’t even had time to fully shower. Sigh! ---
**Author:** ![traderblk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@traderblk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/traderblk)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 8:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/short-and-sweet/31597/67 "2010-03-16T08:50:54Z")
Hey Dev Like reading your journal. I am indian so as a fellow asian it is of particular interest to me. I can also relate to some of the self effects. ie. mone is a aphrodisic. Please keep up your journal. Best success to you!. Traderblk > [@Traderblk's Trials](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/traderblks-trials/36501): > > Hellooo everyone! I wasn’t planning on this initially but I figured what the heck, I can post my experiences if it would help others and give me an opportunity to log my experiences. I am 40 yrs old, asian, 5’6’’ 155 lbs. married for 10 years. I work in adminstration. I am new to pheros but am fascinated by the concept. I have been lurking and reading the posts now for a month and decided to make my first order. What follows is my story. Stay tuned … ---
**Author:** ![traderblk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@traderblk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/traderblk)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2010, 8:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/short-and-sweet/31597/68 "2010-03-18T08:01:00Z")
regarding the self effects I meant none as an aphrodisiac. ---
**Author:** ![Twogunz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4da419/32.png) [@Twogunz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Twogunz)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 1:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/short-and-sweet/31597/69 "2010-03-19T01:00:48Z")
Be patient. A314 three drops one udn er nose for self efect one each on either side of neck. Two ammo sprayed tpo front of neck, 1 tuth on each lower forearm and on back of each hand. 2 IH one on each upper forearm. Instant closeness and lots of chat, eye dilation body language. works well for me ---
**Author:** ![developingperfectionist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@developingperfectionist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/developingperfectionist)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2010, 8:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/short-and-sweet/31597/70 "2010-05-10T08:18:07Z")
It has been absolutely forever since I posted. A lot of my notes were locked in my OneNote / Evernote, and then I lost my hard drive. The sync for one of my backups didn’t work, lots of fail all around, AND I was graduating. I haven’t been able to play around with this as much as I want, and am still trying to do a lot of things. Needless to say, I have cleared up a lot of things in my life, cleared out a lot of stuff I had to do for a while, and my life is definitely looking up again. I’m pleased I’m done with my undergraduate career (less bullshit, stupid projects) that I can do a lot more of my hobbies with more enthusiasm. I am starting work soon, which means, two things: a) I can afford going out more, b) I have more stuff to do! Expect to hear a lot from me guys! ---
**Author:** ![developingperfectionist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@developingperfectionist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/developingperfectionist)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 1:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/short-and-sweet/31597/71 "2010-05-11T01:17:04Z")
**May 10** 1.5 Ammo 2 IO Went to the gym! Came back from the gym. Went to a retail store (zero hits), but also went to the gym. There was a really hot girl there. Didn’t approach. She had headphones; I wussied out. Oddly enough, there was a guy there that did talk to you. Which may have been the IO … or maybe he just wanted to say hi. Who knows?! ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/short-and-sweet/31597/72 "2010-05-12T21:05:56Z")
> [@developingperfectionist](#): > > **May 10** > 1.5 Ammo > 2 IO > > Went to the gym! > > Came back from the gym. Went to a retail store (zero hits), but also went to the gym. > > There was a really hot girl there. Didn’t approach. She had headphones; I wussied out. > Oddly enough, there was a guy there that did talk to you. Which may have been the IO … or maybe he just wanted to say hi. Who knows?! headphone girls are tough. i still haven’t figured out the best way to approach them. also sucks that generally i’m not doing the same things as them (weight lifting vs. cardio). ---
**Author:** ![Twogunz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4da419/32.png) [@Twogunz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Twogunz)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2010, 9:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/short-and-sweet/31597/73 "2010-05-12T21:40:29Z")
Try the A314 with the ammo and IO. . I seek out the ones with headhones because usually they been hit on by thye muscle heads hence the headphones. I just stand in front of them, then say something to them. They cant hear cause of the music, so they take out the ear pluigs and talk. At that point i start engaging and escalating. Once they see you are not a muscle head looking to get laid, they chill a bit. had one tell me I am not like the others…(oh yes little girl i am like the others…just more subtle and using [Pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) to assist my natural game) they dont stand a chance, like jacklighting fish > [@developingperfectionist](#): > > **May 10** > 1.5 Ammo > 2 IO > > Went to the gym! > > Came back from the gym. Went to a retail store (zero hits), but also went to the gym. > > There was a really hot girl there. Didn’t approach. She had headphones; I wussied out. > Oddly enough, there was a guy there that did talk to you. Which may have been the IO … or maybe he just wanted to say hi. Who knows?! ---
**Author:** ![developingperfectionist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@developingperfectionist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/developingperfectionist)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2010, 9:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/short-and-sweet/31597/74 "2010-05-15T21:37:43Z")
Twogunz, Thanks for the advice. I’m more willing to try that! I wish I had a stronger IO, I always hate to smell too much like a walking cologne monster. May 14 –Tried two MX353. Nothing particular. Added 2 Sprays of Chakra before headed to the gym. No girls in the gym. That was a definite waste. ---
**Author:** ![Twogunz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4da419/32.png) [@Twogunz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Twogunz)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2010, 2:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/short-and-sweet/31597/75 "2010-05-16T02:24:52Z")
Less is more grab some A314, i would say it is teh mainstay. I foubd usuing IH (two shots one on each forearm and rubbed in gets the women telling stuff like you are their confessor. I sometimes Use CTTM, and they just dont shut up. With A314, and IH, plus three shots of TUTH, i get glances, deer in teh headlight. So i just smile and start off with something like. Wasnt that a lousy baseball game yesterday. What does she know, usual reply I dont watch baseball. To which i start. I dont blame you but i got suckered into it. Then i start asking her questions about what she does, not pushing hard or anything, a few qurestions then i pull away a bit, wait for her to come towards me, then ask some more. Constatly escalating. we need to get IFM back on line again the original formula. > [@developingperfectionist](#): > > Twogunz, Thanks for the advice. I’m more willing to try that! I wish I had a stronger IO, I always hate to smell too much like a walking cologne monster. > > May 14 > > –Tried two MX353. Nothing particular. > > Added 2 Sprays of Chakra before headed to the gym. > > No girls in the gym. That was a definite waste. ---
**Author:** ![developingperfectionist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@developingperfectionist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/developingperfectionist)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2010, 1:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/short-and-sweet/31597/76 "2010-05-18T01:24:28Z")
**May 17** Work Day 2 A314 2 IO Work went well today! Met a lot of new people. Wasn’t able to open up as many people as I would have liked, but it did go well though. I need to decide who I want to be at work and make a proper decision accordingly. I also should sleep more. And I need to find smarter hobbies! You were able to meet a few of your co-workers. One of them seems oddly attracted to you during work. You were running a bit of the confidence, + A314 game on her though. We got off topic easily, and in the end she seemed like she wanted you to visit her much more. I want to play a lot of the women in the office, and the strings and see how much I can force something out of it. I don’t actually want to have sex with any of them, as opposed to use it as measures to improve my overall game on women. When you came back, there was a short girl on the train whom you should have approached, but still you were too fearful of being rejected. If you can get over it (just three fails a day) you will be better in the long run. It’s just a difficult start again, because you are haven’t done approaches in a while. 1 Ammo (2x) 2 Shine (2x) There was a girl in the gym. She looked at you a few times. You wanted to hit on her, but you just couldn’t approach. You didn’t have the mindset to do it, although I really think you should have. Same thing at the gym though, you were just too nervous to approach correctly, and I really wish you had taken the chance. ---
**Author:** ![Twogunz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4da419/32.png) [@Twogunz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Twogunz)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2010, 2:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/short-and-sweet/31597/77 "2010-05-18T02:16:02Z")
Men and women were never meant to be friends. This goes back to our caveman days. Todauy we have been emasculated by society and we fear rejection. So what if I get rejected. I dont care for the simple reason is itsn her loss, I know who I am and someone else will benefit. Approach as follows. "Hey I like the way you do xxxxx… I am a bit nervous.. my name is XXXX This served two purpose. It breaks teh ice quickly by you noticing something she does well. Second by saying you are nervous, it wqill cut you slack and wont be judged harshly for the first while. send me a email and I will forwards to you a interesting article I paid for it, but iots worth passing it on. [ross.j@rogers.com](mailto:ross.j@rogers.com) ---
**Author:** ![Twogunz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4da419/32.png) [@Twogunz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Twogunz)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2010, 2:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/short-and-sweet/31597/78 "2010-05-18T02:16:51Z")
Using pheros is like shooting fish in a barrel it mnakes life so much easier cant wait to get some EST ---
**Author:** ![developingperfectionist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@developingperfectionist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/developingperfectionist)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2010, 2:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/short-and-sweet/31597/79 "2010-05-28T02:37:57Z")
Okay guys, I am so sorry for not updating in so long … been going through a lot of training at work, and it has not been easy at all. Working about 11 hours … tiring! I hope I get my act together though!! [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/short-and-sweet/31597.md?page=3)