# Should I bother with IJ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 10, 2011, 11:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-bother-with-ij/51163 "2011-07-10T23:13:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Apu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/898d66/32.png) [@Apu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Apu)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2011, 11:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-bother-with-ij/51163/1 "2011-07-10T23:13:19Z")
I currently have the entire Instant Spray line with the exception of IJ. Everything with the exception of TUTH (which I have yet to test properly) has worked for me with great effect. šŸ™‚ I have read a lot of reports/comments on this forum that says that IJ causes trouble/fights etc. This being said, I have also come across claims that IJ instigates DIHLs and one night stands among other good things. Also, IJ isnā€™t generally recommended for users of my age, but then again neither is A314 and that worked wonders for me. I am 18, Indian and appear extremely wealthy. I donā€™t know how to say the last part without sounding like a douche-bag so I decided to just be blunt, but I think it is relevant because it adds to how congruent I can be with IJ. Also relevant: I am of average height, very social, (seem) intelligent, and cannot hold my own in a fight. I am not weak, but I am definitely not a fighter. Oh and I live in (liberal) Amsterdam and am into chicks of all ages, (literally), but mainly those around my age or slightly older because those are the ones that go to the same clubs I go to. If I would wear it, it would probably only for the club scene. Unless anyone has any other suggestions. Does anyone here around my age have any positive/negative experiences they would like to share about IJ to help me decide whether or not to purchase it? Thanks. Edit for clarification: My main peeve is my age. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2011, 11:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-bother-with-ij/51163/2 "2011-07-10T23:50:22Z")
IJ hasnā€™t gotten me any fights but Iā€™m also 39. Honestly as there have been numerous debates on the forum regarding high None products and younger/teenage users Iā€™m reluctant to recommend it. Also, since you say youā€™ve gotten good results with the other core products, my question would be ā€œwhy?ā€ If somethingā€™s not broke, why try to fix it? Now if youā€™re wanting to become a serious reporting user that will be trying various MXā€™s and putatives, totally willing to test them blind and not knowing in advance what they doā€¦then I say yes, get some instant jerk, to be a real good tester/reporter you SHOULD have a handle on the whole consumer line first. If however you just want a product that work the way you want and does so consistently and reliably, then I wouldnā€™t bother. Youā€™re already getting good results with the products you have. Youā€™re right, IJ is very powerful as an attractant, but itā€™s so strong especially for somebody your age that it could be unpredictable. [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) may not get as extreme and over the top sort of reactions, but the positive reactions it gets are far more constant and reliable. Because itā€™s less None, the None is buffered and itā€™s just a general well balanced product. Jerk being so high a none product, itā€™s way easier for a younger guy to OD, younger girls tend to be None shy and get nervous around such a high none signature. Iā€™m not saying all or even any of these things will happen, just its riskier and I would imagine most guys would prefer results they can depend on. You could use Ammo (as an example) and get hits you might classify as 8 on an intensity scale 60% of the time. Or you could use IJ and get over the top level 10 hits maybe 30% of the time, with no guarantee the woman that responds will be the one you want. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 4:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-bother-with-ij/51163/3 "2011-07-11T16:21:17Z")
Well, IJ was be quite an experience - even at my age, so I wonder how it would go-down on you! šŸ˜® šŸ˜ƒ However, Iā€™m glad I tried it and even though its a phero I wonā€™t be wearing regularly, I have learned something from it and I can see occasions where it will be useful, so a bottle has earned a permanent place in my phero collection. FWIW, I would say you should try it, just watch your back - OK? From your description, an Indian guy with your attributes and an IJ signature might well be seen as a target by some of the boneheads out there. And sadly, Dam seems to have a present undercurrent of them. ā˜¹ ---
**Author:** ![JR-H](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@JR-H](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JR-H)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 4:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-bother-with-ij/51163/4 "2011-07-11T16:28:42Z")
Is IJ higher in -none than TUTH? Thanks ! ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 4:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-bother-with-ij/51163/5 "2011-07-11T16:43:49Z")
Yes, significantly higher - OTOH, IJ contains around 12.5mcg of none per spray, (out of 15mcg total pheros), whilst standard TUTH contains @2.5mcg, plus a small amount of steering molecules. ---
**Author:** ![Apu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/898d66/32.png) [@Apu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Apu)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 6:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-bother-with-ij/51163/6 "2011-07-11T18:11:09Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Yes, significantly higher - OTOH, IJ contains around 12.5mcg of none per spray, (out of 15mcg total pheros), whilst standard TUTH contains @2.5mcg, plus a small amount of steering molecules. Are you serious? That is pretty funny because if TUTH is aimed at sex, that means that when wearing IJ, you are coming on EVEN stronger than that to girls. (Unless my logic is at fault.) Thanks to all those who replied. I think I am going to give it a shot. Not that I have high hopes or anything. Just for curiosityā€™s sake. For science. I am actually very scared because I am going to try this out flying solo as I donā€™t want any of my friends to think I am a jerk, haha. None of my friends know I use pheros. Anyway, this means that if I get in a sticky situation I am f\*\*ked to put it mildly. I cannot hold my own in a fight. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 7:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-bother-with-ij/51163/7 "2011-07-11T19:15:24Z")
Quite serious - Remember that Androstenone ainā€™t the be-all and end-all when it comes to sex. There are a whole other basket of feelings and influencing factors here - And what may or may not work for one woman is no indicator of what will work well with someone else. In fact there are many women who will be repelled by an IJ signature, at least as many if not more than by TUTH, which although lower-none, is directed in an overtly sexual direction by its steering molecules. Iā€™m not convinced IJā€™s steering is entirely aimed at sex either - More to create an overall, strongly masculine impression. One thing in your favour tho - An IJ signature is also often percieved as a highly agressive one and anyone squaring-up to you is almost certainly going to think you can hold your own, so they may be much more easilly intimmidated by you and back down if you stand your ground. šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 7:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-bother-with-ij/51163/8 "2011-07-11T19:24:06Z")
If you decide to buy IJ, try it in a really safe environment first. When youā€™re with friends only and not going out to bars or clubs or such. Iā€™m 39 and have some problems with IJ, or rather other men have. They can control themselves socially and donā€™t give me any grief when theyā€™re sober but in bars Iā€™m just better off without IJ. Iā€™d imagine you could be too at your age. ---
**Author:** ![JR-H](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@JR-H](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JR-H)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 7:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-bother-with-ij/51163/9 "2011-07-11T19:26:58Z")
By the way, TUTH when having sex = FANTASTIC ! šŸ˜‰ > [@mobocaster](#): > > Quite serious - Remember that Androstenone ainā€™t the be-all and end-all when it comes to sex. There are a whole other basket of feelings and influencing factors here - And what may or may not work for one woman is no indicator of what will work well with someone else. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 8:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-bother-with-ij/51163/10 "2011-07-11T20:37:51Z")
Oh yes - Its the having that is the important part. Just because it works well between people who are already physically comfortable with each other is not the same thing as saying it is as effective in other ways. And TUTH (and none in general) on its own, without significant buffering with comfort/status/happy/social mones is not that effective a tool, even in the sexually charged atmosphere of clubs. ---
**Author:** ![skittishsynapses](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@skittishsynapses](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/skittishsynapses)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 12:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-bother-with-ij/51163/11 "2011-07-12T00:59:55Z")
IJ is the only consumer mone I have had zero positive effects. It lead to crazy verbal fights with my roommates. Iā€™m pretty certain Electracomplex and I got into a fist fight while I had IJ on and nasty verbal fights as well. She was the one who got it for me too to test out. Iā€™d say the best comparison for my personality is like the fictional Gregory House, but not as big of an asshole, a bit more personable/charming. lol. So I think IJ on me just accentuates that part of my personality(or the perception of it) and as a self affect, probably kills off what empathy I do have as an Alexithymia. ---
**Author:** ![Aggie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f07891/32.png) [@Aggie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aggie)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 1:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-bother-with-ij/51163/12 "2011-07-12T01:19:34Z")
I used instant jerk about 8-10 times in high school. 5-6 of those times, I found myseld getting in trouble. Now I was the kind of student that NEVER got in trouble. I had won awards from the mayor and was one of my principalā€™s favorite students. But I found myself doing things like raising my voice, and arguing with authority in ways that I never imagined myself doing. One day I told my teacher in front of the class that she was a liar. One day I yelled at my counslor. I did a lot of things that I shouldnā€™t have done with instant jerk on, and I NEVER thought I would be that kind of person, and even when I was doing the bad things, I never thought that I was doing anything wrong, it just seemed normal, natural, and right. Your experience may be different, but Iā€™d advise you to be extra careful based on my experience. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 7:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-bother-with-ij/51163/13 "2011-07-12T07:12:49Z")
> [@Apu](#): > > Are you serious? > > That is pretty funny because if TUTH is aimed at sex, that means that when wearing IJ, you are coming on EVEN stronger than that to girls. (Unless my logic is at fault.) > > Thanks to all those who replied. I think I am going to give it a shot. Not that I have high hopes or anything. Just for curiosityā€™s sake. For science. > > I am actually very scared because I am going to try this out flying solo as I donā€™t want any of my friends to think I am a jerk, haha. None of my friends know I use pheros. Anyway, this means that if I get in a sticky situation I am f\*\*ked to put it mildly. I cannot hold my own in a fight. Itā€™s not just the None levels that are different. Each of those products has unique steering molecules designed to generate the vibe itā€™s advertised as doing. Jerk is high None and has some other steering molecules designed to create the vibe of a strong, cocky, mildly abrasive yet somehow still attractive guy. Think HS jock giving swirlies to nerdy kids and fucking all the cheerleaders. TuTH is mostly None, much less than Jerk but is designed more to create a boom chicka wa wa type mood. When you have TuTH on she KNOWS whatā€™s on your mind as plain as if you put on a Barry White CD and poured some Courvoisier. ---
**Author:** ![Jabez](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jabez/32/2193_2.png) [@Jabez](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jabez)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2011, 5:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-bother-with-ij/51163/14 "2011-07-15T05:49:08Z")
My Jerk should be here today I am looking forward to it. Alpha male in a bottle?! I think so! ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2011, 7:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-bother-with-ij/51163/15 "2011-07-15T19:05:55Z")
Well I say live dangerously and give it a go. Whats the point of using a product like IJ in a safe environment anyway. The good thing about it is with a little humor mixed in you really have this bad-boy persona about you. You can still be the nice guy but a dirty edge to it. Works brilliantly! ---
**Author:** ![2000GT](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/2000gt/32/389_2.png) [@2000GT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/2000GT)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2011, 7:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-bother-with-ij/51163/16 "2011-07-15T19:10:26Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Well I say live dangerously and give it a go. Whats the point of using a product like IJ in a safe environment anyway. The good thing about it is with a little humor mixed in you really have this bad-boy persona about you. You can still be the nice guy but a dirty edge to it. Works brilliantly! Unless youā€™re me and you turn into a green monsterā€¦ [![](http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angry021.gif) ](http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angry021.gif)