# Should I increase None in this scenario? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 13, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-increase-none-in-this-scenario/66883 "2017-01-13T19:02:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Trillmendous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Trillmendous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Trillmendous)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-increase-none-in-this-scenario/66883/1 "2017-01-13T19:02:36Z")
So I had a314 and TUTH on and I think p74 and had a guy in a group I tend to hang out with get very aggressive with me. Long story short I stood my ground and he got intimidated and the next time I see him he apologized and said it was all his fault. When something like this happens is it wise to increase the None since I’ve already kind of established that I am not someone to mess around with and it’s congruent with the [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) signature? or would increasing it just make that group more aggressive? At that point I was just testing out mixes though. Wanted to see how p74 and TUTH would go along with eachother. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 7:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-increase-none-in-this-scenario/66883/2 "2017-01-13T19:18:52Z")
Increasing it can lead to more aggression and other OD issues, yes, or it may simply cause you to get ghosted - which at least loses the aggression. [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) would be a good way to moderate this - and steer it in a more friendly/less confrontational way, or having A314 in a slightly higher proportion would increase the authority/status aspect that may also help disarm them. A314/P74/TUTH is also a viable and surprisingly well balanced combo. TUTH/P74 is one I tend to keep for days when I can’t really think what to wear - they complement each other very well and hit across a wide age range. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Trillmendous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Trillmendous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Trillmendous)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 7:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-increase-none-in-this-scenario/66883/3 "2017-01-13T19:27:15Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Increasing it can lead to more aggression and other OD issues, yes, or it may simply cause you to get ghosted - which at least loses the aggression. > > P74 would be a good way to moderate this - and steer it in a more friendly/less confrontational way, or having A314 in a slightly higher proportion would increase the authority/status aspect that may also help disarm them. A314/P74/TUTH is also a viable and surprisingly well balanced combo. > > TUTH/P74 is one I tend to keep for days when I can’t really think what to wear - they complement each other very well and hit across a wide age range. 🙂 I like a314 but I’m starting to think because of my age it’s not ideal for every situation. I think I might go with just TUTH and [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) next time and not a314… I have a small amount of IG left so maybe I can add that and finish up that bottle. when I get paid next I might consider getting the a314 Youth edition if it’s still available in the store. EDIT: side note I don’t know why I love the smell of Stealth p74 but indifferent about the smell of all the other stealth products I bought. Does anyone else think stealth p74 smells amazing? ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 11:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-increase-none-in-this-scenario/66883/4 "2017-01-13T23:33:34Z")
I have never used p74 personally but have noticed that some stealth Ps smell much better than others. I agree with mobocaster, more None would most likely lead to more aggression but I guess there is that fine line between aggression and OD to which ghosting would be better than aggression. At the same time I have found that more A314 at my age just makes me appear too ‘elderly’ for lack of a better word, for people to even pay me attention. From what I read about p74 it might be a good idea to slightly ramp up the dose for your situation. If it were me, I’d just add a little buffer and/or moderator like TAC or p96 or maybe p95 to lighten the mood a bit and take away the aggression. Quite frankly though, TUTH and A314 sounds a bit aggressive in and of itself, A314 I hear also has a bit of None. ---
**Author:** ![Trillmendous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Trillmendous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Trillmendous)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 1:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-increase-none-in-this-scenario/66883/5 "2017-01-14T01:21:47Z")
> [@Jdub](#): > > I have never used p74 personally but have noticed that some stealth Ps smell much better than others. > > I agree with mobocaster, more None would most likely lead to more aggression but I guess there is that fine line between aggression and OD to which ghosting would be better than aggression. At the same time I have found that more A314 at my age just makes me appear too ‘elderly’ for lack of a better word, for people to even pay me attention. > > From what I read about p74 it might be a good idea to slightly ramp up the dose for your situation. If it were me, I’d just add a little buffer and/or moderator like TAC or p96 or maybe p95 to lighten the mood a bit and take away the aggression. > > Quite frankly though, TUTH and A314 sounds a bit aggressive in and of itself, A314 I hear also has a bit of None. My reasoning for adding the tuth was because I read that p74 sometimes could lead to a friendzone vibe. I only had one spray of TUTH and I believe 1 of p74 while I Don’t know the exact amount in each spray I know the p74 spray is more then the tuth spray. Does P96 and TAC also have that “friendzone vibe” that p74 does? or would I be safe adding those to an attraction mix? I do have them both and i Have used p96 but not TAC yet. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 1:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-increase-none-in-this-scenario/66883/6 "2017-01-14T01:36:19Z")
> [@Jdub](#): > > Quite frankly though, TUTH and A314 sounds a bit aggressive in and of itself, A314 I hear also has a bit of None. Just a trace amount of None in A314 - to underline its masculine presence apparently. A314 and TUTH is a mature mix, yes but if you use a small amount of TUTH as effectively steering, eo turn the A314 vibe more sexual it can be a surprising combo. Of course around the more mature targets, who tend to like more None, a larger dose of TUTH does become more viable - And that’s where TAC can become a very useful secondary to help lighten things a bit, esp just before bed. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 1:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-increase-none-in-this-scenario/66883/7 "2017-01-14T01:42:06Z")
> [@Trillmendous](#): > > My reasoning for adding the tuth was because I read that p74 sometimes could lead to a friendzone vibe. I only had one spray of TUTH and I believe 1 of p74 while I Don’t know the exact amount in each spray I know the p74 spray is more then the tuth spray. > > Does P96 and TAC also have that “friendzone vibe” that p74 does? or would I be safe adding those to an attraction mix? I do have them both and i Have used p96 but not TAC yet. So long as you don’t overdo the [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/), friendzone won’t be a problem - esp not alongside TUTH! Depending on your TUTH dose, keep it below 20-30mcg and you should do ok. 🙂 P96 - no. Its a good bonding/connecting putative but again, alongside an overt sexual, it helps them express/deal with arousal more easily. P74/P96 and a sexual is often very good indeed. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 4:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-increase-none-in-this-scenario/66883/8 "2017-01-14T04:06:56Z")
> [@Trillmendous](#): > > Does P96 and TAC also have that “friendzone vibe” that p74 does? or would I be safe adding those to an attraction mix? I do have them both and i Have used p96 but not TAC yet. I would say certainly not. If anything, the negative of TAC would be that it overpowers the mix and makes it too relaxing. If it’s at a good dosage it will make the mix more ‘acceptable’. TAC tends to cause relaxation. When in a mix I like to think of it as relaxing a person’s mind so they’ll ‘accept’ the mix, aka a Disinhibitor. P96, well the only negative I’ve seen is people can get too emotional. Mixed with None, I haven’t seen any issues with men, but with women they can get all like ‘please listen to me’ (then cries) type of vibe. I imagine if a man starts to feel emotional he most likely will keep it all in before he starts getting all whiny with you. ---
**Author:** ![Trillmendous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Trillmendous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Trillmendous)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 8:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-increase-none-in-this-scenario/66883/9 "2017-01-14T08:12:27Z")
I also have CTTM oil that I have not yet even tried out. I’ll probably look to trying it out sometime this week, in your experiences have any of you mixed it with None products like TUTH and if you did how well did the mix? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-increase-none-in-this-scenario/66883/10 "2017-01-14T17:40:17Z")
CTTM will certainly moderate TUTH nicely - its a lot of Nols! I’ve used the sprays in combination with TUTH before and did OK. Don’t get stuck with the pub bore though. 😮 Personaly the amount/proportion of Alphanol in CTTM means it does not complement the sort of mixes I do best with, so its not one I’ll be keeping myself - although times I’ve used it have proved it to be an effective social or sexual moderator. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 8:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/should-i-increase-none-in-this-scenario/66883/11 "2017-01-14T20:32:04Z")
I’ve used CTTM2 with TUTH but it was also accompanied by TAC so I couldn’t tell you whether the CTTM2 helped as I know the TAC already did. I remember when I was testing CTTM2 I wasn’t to impressed with it in mixes, but got crazy good results with it solo. After testing a 5ml Togo I never bought it again so I didn’t do too many tests with it. Since it’s a Nol, I think you should be able to pull something off though.