# Side effects of TAF include inhibition of exhaustion and extreme soreness **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 1, 2009, 12:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/side-effects-of-taf-include-inhibition-of-exhaustion-and-extreme-soreness/26595 "2009-03-01T00:04:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Vespero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vespero/32/988_2.png) [@Vespero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vespero)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 12:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/side-effects-of-taf-include-inhibition-of-exhaustion-and-extreme-soreness/26595/1 "2009-03-01T00:04:25Z")
Ow. Ow. Everything is so sore. I hate you, TAF! I’m not in the best shape I could be. I’m a hair under six feet, stocky build, and a bit overweight. Not obese, or even particularly close to it, but I do pack a few extra pounds. Because of this, I’ve recently started trying to exercise regularly, though it is difficult to fit into my schedule with school and homework. Because my current goal is to lose weight, and not to bulk up, I’ve decided upon a fast-paced aerobic workout involving cardiovascular exercises and martial arts. Due to time constraints, I usually only have about half an hour at a time to exercise, so I aim to wear myself down completely within that time. Last night, I sat down to read the theory section of the forum shortly after dosing my oil diffusing lamp with a large amount of 25mcg/spray TAF. (I tried this for the first time yesterday using TAF and IS 4x separately, and it seemed quite effective. I’ve detailed that experiment in my thread [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/alternative-applications-and-intoxicating-aromas/26596/1.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/alternative-applications-and-intoxicating-aromas/26596/1.)) I was soon caught by several people wanting to talk with me on AIM, as well as a phone call. Despite these distractions, I seemed to have little trouble shifting my attention around and keeping track of all of them. Usually when I’m involved in a number of things, my more intelligent friends notice and ask if I’m preoccupied and need them to leave me alone for a bit. This time, no one really noticed, including me. After I finished up with all of those things, I started my workout, with the intention of finishing in the usual half hour. However, things did not go as planned. Although I worked at the same level as normal, which usually has me gasping by the end of the period, I merely seemed to become more able as time went on. I found that my current level of activity (one that would normally wear me down) was not enough, and put on some very high-energy music to help me along. At the end of the half hour, I was not tired. My body hardly seemed to notice what time it was. In fact, I didn’t check the clock because I felt that it couldn’t possibly be time yet; I still had seas of energy. When I finally did check the clock, I realized I had been working at this pace for an hour, but my body did not want to quit. I thought about pushing further, and continued at about the same pace for another half hour. At this point, even though I felt I could continue, and was not feeling the level of exhaustion I knew I should have felt, I decided to stop. I had never subjected myself to this level of activity for this long a period of time, and was worried about the consequences. I am glad I stopped when I did. When I woke up this morning, even though I had a fairly easy time doing so despite only four hours of sleep, I was so sore. My arms, legs, everything is sore. I am going to do a couple of workouts with no TAF and see if I revert to my original stamina level, then try again with TAF. That way, I’ll be sure it’s the TAF and not merely a fluke. The TAF didn’t seem to have a conscious mental effect on me. Instead, it seemed that it either inhibited signals to my brain to tell me I was exhausted, or unlocked stamina that I possessed but am not normally able to reach. My body did not want to stop, did not seem to even know what stopping was. I look forward to future testing. If anyone has any ideas on what happened, please let me know. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 1:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/side-effects-of-taf-include-inhibition-of-exhaustion-and-extreme-soreness/26595/2 "2009-03-01T01:32:34Z")
My experience with Molecule F is so different than yours it doesn’t even compute! Yikes. Mine was that of perception overload. My sense of smell and pitch went into overdrive and proved to be counterproductive. You need to be pitch sensitive and discerning when directing music ensembles but too much can be distracting, even painful. And smelling everyone’s butt breath, swamp pits and crotch from 6 feet out is unpleasant to say the least. I had a 30ml bottle so I was able to duplicate the painful results multiple times! Can’t say I ever got sore from a one hour workout while stoned on F, but what the fcuk. I can also say this is one of the few molecules I noticed any appreciable self-effects but zero effects on those around me. ---
**Author:** ![Vespero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vespero/32/988_2.png) [@Vespero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vespero)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 4:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/side-effects-of-taf-include-inhibition-of-exhaustion-and-extreme-soreness/26595/3 "2009-03-01T04:29:01Z")
I haven’t noticed sense augmentation at any dosage of TAF. Of course, during the time period when I was using it a lot, I didn’t have much time to practice, so I might give it another shot. I also haven’t noticed any effect on those around me. Strange that we observe such vastly different results. For many of the other pheros, even if the effects are different from person to person, they are at least comparable. In this case, the results do not even compute, as you said. ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 9:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/side-effects-of-taf-include-inhibition-of-exhaustion-and-extreme-soreness/26595/4 "2009-03-01T09:17:25Z")
I’m not surprised you felt absolutely pooped after combining TAF with IS4x… Both of those are pretty good at burning you out or giving a bit of a crash 🙄 Using that combo several days in a row…well, I’d be more surprised if you didn’t notice any crash… Are you supplementing to prevent neurotransmitter depletion? ---
**Author:** ![magicj76](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/magicj76/32/1858_2.png) [@magicj76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/magicj76)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 12:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/side-effects-of-taf-include-inhibition-of-exhaustion-and-extreme-soreness/26595/5 "2009-03-01T12:45:23Z")
So it seems that TAF brings different effects when coupled with another product… To me, TAf alone can be very positive, like Instant Male Magic, cutting off negative signals and making me in love with my girlfriend, or negative when OD-ing. Like the memory of a computer. When you restart the computer it get all the memory back, being able to do more tasks (more or better). When OD-ing, it’s like restarting the computer on and on… the operating system can’t start and you’re stuck. ---
**Author:** ![Vespero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vespero/32/988_2.png) [@Vespero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vespero)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/side-effects-of-taf-include-inhibition-of-exhaustion-and-extreme-soreness/26595/6 "2009-03-01T16:27:29Z")
> [@Xiphoid](#): > > I’m not surprised you felt absolutely pooped after combining TAF with IS4x… Both of those are pretty good at burning you out or giving a bit of a crash 🙄 Using that combo several days in a row…well, I’d be more surprised if you didn’t notice any crash… Are you supplementing to prevent neurotransmitter depletion? Not as much as I probably should. :o Do you have any recommendations on supplements? ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 5:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/side-effects-of-taf-include-inhibition-of-exhaustion-and-extreme-soreness/26595/7 "2009-03-01T17:31:51Z")
> [@Vespero](#): > > Not as much as I probably should. :o Do you have any recommendations on supplements? _HIGH_ dose VitB complex, as well as extra B12, B5 & B6… And try some L-tyrosine or Phenylalanine 🙂 Do a search for some posts on neurotransmitter depletion and you’ll find lots of info… Or try Google 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Vespero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vespero/32/988_2.png) [@Vespero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vespero)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 9:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/side-effects-of-taf-include-inhibition-of-exhaustion-and-extreme-soreness/26595/8 "2009-03-02T21:39:00Z")
I did a bit of research but haven’t had time for much. I read a couple of articles claiming that L-tyrosine could actually deplete neurotransmitters in certain cases, but I have a lot more reading to do. You emphasized the high dose on the B complex, but how high do you mean? ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 9:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/side-effects-of-taf-include-inhibition-of-exhaustion-and-extreme-soreness/26595/9 "2009-03-02T21:46:25Z")
> [@Vespero](#): > > I did a bit of research but haven’t had time for much. I read a couple of articles claiming that L-tyrosine could actually deplete neurotransmitters in certain cases, but I have a lot more reading to do. You emphasized the high dose on the B complex, but how high do you mean? What articles claim L-tyrosine deplete neurotransmitters? 😕 L-Tyrosine is a precursor for Dopamine, Norepinephrine & Epinephrine…amongst other things. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 10:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/side-effects-of-taf-include-inhibition-of-exhaustion-and-extreme-soreness/26595/10 "2009-03-02T22:25:27Z")
I had a similar reaction when using P101 with IS for a game of Ultimate… > [@](#): > > (ultimate frisbee) > > So I decided to test P101 at my ultimate game first. > > Applied a pretty standard mix whose effects (especially self-effects) I am fairly comfortable with. > > 2X [AMMO](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) (Chest) > 2.5X IS (Neck & Hair) > 2X P101 (Neroli scented, minimum togo [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) ) > > Decided to go with two sprays instead of one because I was outdoors and was going to be sweating a bit (thought 1 would just wear off too quickly) > > Immediately after application I got my standard “New Pheremone Headache” - I always seem to get after my first couple applications - The headache went away rather quickly. > > I found myself being rather playful with my LTR very soon after - she was pretty smiley but really nothing to speak of. > > At the game - potential hit in that after about a half hour of playing I realized that everyone seemed to be really “into the game”… it could be that we don’t terribly much like the team we were playing and had lost to them twice before - but the team seemed unusually motivated. > > Personally I didn’t think I found myself any more focussed or motivated - but I got a comment from someone on the other team that it was fascinating watching me run because I seemed to be putting so much into it. Also, after the game I was REALLY SORE (still quite sore) despite the fact that we had more spares then usual so I didn’t play as much as I normally might. I was also laying out for the frisbee all over the place (had comment from teammate about how I was playing more on my knees then on my feet) > > First report on P101 - It could have been that my team was just particularily motivated, but P101 might have boosted the team’s focus. As far as self-effects - I gotta say I think P101 helped me focus more strongly on the game. From my first P101 report - I just wanted to mention really quick… when I first read Gegogi’s report on P101 I thought it was weird because I remember having a different reaction… now I look back and damn - My thoughts after testing indicate a very similar reaction ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 12:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/side-effects-of-taf-include-inhibition-of-exhaustion-and-extreme-soreness/26595/11 "2009-03-03T00:32:03Z")
> [@Xiphoid](#): > > _HIGH_ dose VitB complex, as well as extra B12, B5 & B6… > And try some L-tyrosine or Phenylalanine 🙂 > > Do a search for some posts on neurotransmitter depletion and you’ll find lots of info… Or try Google 🙂 And don’t forget the Vitamin C!!! ---
**Author:** ![CookieGirl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cookiegirl/32/1379_2.png) [@CookieGirl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CookieGirl)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/side-effects-of-taf-include-inhibition-of-exhaustion-and-extreme-soreness/26595/12 "2009-03-03T02:07:35Z")
I really just as clueless as to what TAF did, but I will say I share alot of the same self effects. Multitasking was a breeze although I wasn’t aware of it at first. It was easier to do repetitive things with much more enthusiasm than I ever had. The effects afterwards, however: extremely weary. Glad I caught such a good report on TAF 😛 ---
**Author:** ![xfactor85](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xfactor85/32/1893_2.png) [@xfactor85](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xfactor85)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 5:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/side-effects-of-taf-include-inhibition-of-exhaustion-and-extreme-soreness/26595/13 "2009-03-03T05:18:13Z")
Wow, TAF sounds like something that will combat ADD. Anyone try using TAF while trying to study or take a test? ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 7:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/side-effects-of-taf-include-inhibition-of-exhaustion-and-extreme-soreness/26595/14 "2009-03-03T07:18:47Z")
My TAF experiences were similar and yet not. I wore it in a professional/academic setting, and for me, it seemed to remove any obstacle in memory recall. I knew information (specifically in a testing scenario) and was able to pull it from my brain and use it/apply it - in nanoseconds, or at least that’s what it felt like. 🙂 I didn’t have to consciously think about the answer - the answer was already there. It didn’t give me knowledge, just made accessing what I already had inside me super easy and efficient, and without effort. I take lots of high b-vitamins and a multi vitamin on top of that, so I never had burnout with TAF. I was wearing 25-30 mcg per day while wearing this. I noticed that the intensity of focus seemed to affect others as well - we had a study group that was pretty incredible just prior to the test. Also, when paired with cops, it can get sexed up pretty fast. That reset button + sexy? Whoo-heee! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 10:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/side-effects-of-taf-include-inhibition-of-exhaustion-and-extreme-soreness/26595/15 "2009-03-03T10:27:12Z")
> [@xfactor85](#): > > Wow, TAF sounds like something that will combat ADD. Anyone try using TAF while trying to study or take a test? You should have a peek at my journal 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Vespero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vespero/32/988_2.png) [@Vespero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vespero)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/side-effects-of-taf-include-inhibition-of-exhaustion-and-extreme-soreness/26595/16 "2009-03-03T18:01:06Z")
> [@CookieGirl](#): > > I really just as clueless as to what TAF did, but I will say I share alot of the same self effects. Multitasking was a breeze although I wasn’t aware of it at first. It was easier to do repetitive things with much more enthusiasm than I ever had. The effects afterwards, however: extremely weary. > > Glad I caught such a good report on TAF 😛 I noticed the weariness as well. The next couple of days after the workout, I didn’t really have the strength or willpower to do it again. Probably because of the neurotransmitter depletion I’m trying to combat now. I’m almost out of TAF now, but I think I’ll buy some more with my next order. For now, I’m going to be testing P95. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/side-effects-of-taf-include-inhibition-of-exhaustion-and-extreme-soreness/26595/17 "2009-03-03T18:11:43Z")
i cannot exaggerate enough how TAF can burn you out after so many doses. guess its one of those things everyone has to do once to really understand and respect. i can tell you one thing, i love TAF enough to want to add it to _everything_ and every _mix._ it enhances and makes everything _more_. but i have the utmost respect for it. you cant pay me enough to OD on that one ! 😃 interesting note: i am able to handle my 5 day usage of [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) much better than i used to (not that i subject anyone else to very high doses ever) _and the only real difference_ is that i drink micro-brew beer 5 days a week as well. beer. mmmmmmmmmmm… got me tasty B vitamins there in the brewers yeast. maybe that helps 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Vespero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vespero/32/988_2.png) [@Vespero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vespero)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/side-effects-of-taf-include-inhibition-of-exhaustion-and-extreme-soreness/26595/18 "2009-03-03T20:18:21Z")
Thanks, Lor. No micro-brew beer for me, though. At least, not yet. I’ll have to make do with my supplements. What dosage of TAF do you typically use/own? I was dealing with 25mcg/spray, but I also seem to have a higher tolerance for it than some people, who notice sense augmentation with a meager 12.5mcg spray. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 5:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/side-effects-of-taf-include-inhibition-of-exhaustion-and-extreme-soreness/26595/19 "2009-03-04T05:45:52Z")
> [@Vespero](#): > > Thanks, Lor. No micro-brew beer for me, though. At least, not yet. I’ll have to make do with my supplements. > > What dosage of TAF do you typically use/own? I was dealing with 25mcg/spray, but I also seem to have a higher tolerance for it than some people, who notice sense augmentation with a meager 12.5mcg spray. that would be me- hyper on 12.5mu. really doesnt take me much, but then when i intend to use it i only use what it takes to amplify something else, not to get effects from it by itself. i also do bee products- pollen,raw honey,ect. great suppliment if you arent allergic to bees 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 8:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/side-effects-of-taf-include-inhibition-of-exhaustion-and-extreme-soreness/26595/20 "2009-03-04T08:17:24Z")
I need to look some things up in the private journal I keep (its just notes guys and most posts find there way onto the forum, please stop PM me about conspiracy theories) but I seem to recall a similar reaction. I’m just not sure it was TAF or maybe I’m to sleepy and confusing other things. When I have to close my left eye so I can see I need to stop and sleep. So my incoherence has a reason behind it.