# Simulating the 'Cleopatra trick'... **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 3, 2011, 1:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687 "2011-04-03T13:12:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![pheroUserName](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/eb8c5e/32.png) [@pheroUserName](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pheroUserName)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 1:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687/1 "2011-04-03T13:12:24Z")
So a friend of mine is a stripper, and she uses what shes calls the ‘Cleopatra trick’ (where you stick a finger up you know where, and use the scent like a perfume). She claims it drives the men wild… I am not quite brave enough to try it myself, but the other day I came across this site and thought maybe I could simulate the smell with some of these pheramone products. Long story short, I recieved my order the other day (EoW and Mistress [Pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) both from love-scent), and I had a mixed reaction. I was a little disappointed with the Mistress Pheramones (smelled just like a regular perfume, slightly on the cheap side). The EoW on the other hand was more like what I was after, but still not quite perfect. I guess my question is - Has anyone else ever heard of this so called ‘Cleaopatra trick’? If so, has anyone ever tried to simulate ‘that scent’? Are there any other products you could recommend (less perfumey, and more like EoW)? I have plenty of perfumes to use as cover scents, I am looking for something that captures that ‘inner thigh’ smell. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 2:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687/2 "2011-04-03T14:33:20Z")
Sure its pretty well known in the Phero community and history that Cleopatra used her own copulins as perfume to attract men. If I recall they say she mixed them with Jasmin. Not our Jasmin, the flower LOL (little AD humor there). 😃 Napoleon would also tell Josephine not to wash before he came home from battle. I guess the not so fresh women scent turned him on a bit. Ever notice women dont sniff men’s under ware but occasionally men get caught sticking them up to there nose and taking a big wiff LOL I know you see it in comedies but film comedy always has a spark of truth to it. EOW comes about the closest you gonna get if your looking for straight copulins with nothing else added. There are one of two other formulas out there but they haven’t done much for me. Nothing is going to smell perfect to you except your own copulins. We are all slightly different. You can use your own. I have tried it and it works. Believe me if your brave enough to wear EOW your own should be easy. Play with the dosage and different covers. You will find results will vary and find what works best with it. One thats actually pretty good other then EOW is `http://www.vulva-original.com/gb/#/home/` I still get more hits from EOW but this has more of the inner thigh smell. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 3:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687/3 "2011-04-03T15:28:55Z")
> [@pheroUserName](#): > > So a friend of mine is a stripper, and she uses what shes calls the ‘Cleopatra trick’ (where you stick a finger up you know where, and use the scent like a perfume). She claims it drives the men wild… I am not quite brave enough to try it myself, but the other day I came across this site and thought maybe I could simulate the smell with some of these pheramone products. > > Long story short, I recieved my order the other day (EoW and Mistress Pheromones both from love-scent), and I had a mixed reaction. I was a little disappointed with the Mistress Pheramones (smelled just like a regular perfume, slightly on the cheap side). The EoW on the other hand was more like what I was after, but still not quite perfect. > > I guess my question is - Has anyone else ever heard of this so called ‘Cleaopatra trick’? If so, has anyone ever tried to simulate ‘that scent’? Are there any other products you could recommend (less perfumey, and more like EoW)? I have plenty of perfumes to use as cover scents, I am looking for something that captures that ‘inner thigh’ smell. > > Thanks Prostitutes in France used to do it as well, they’d dab it behind their ears. I’d recommend a ‘cover scent’. We don’t sell copulins anymore for various reasons that you can find via the search function. When I smelled a batch of copulins (I wont reveal the supplier because I don’t want to bad mouth anyone) they smelled more like sweat socks than what they were supposed to. Just not impressed. Seriously, your own natural scent is the best. Like Tisha mentioned I’d also wear a cover scent like jasmin or something else floral that has good diffusion. ---
**Author:** ![Taggle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/taggle/32/1793_2.png) [@Taggle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Taggle)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687/4 "2011-04-04T17:09:16Z")
I do it all the time, but why wear a coverscent!? If your own smell is that bad, I would recomend a doctor… I think it works a little, but most is probably placebo 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cookie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d26b3c/32.png) [@Cookie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cookie)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2011, 6:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687/5 "2011-04-04T18:48:27Z")
I had no idea and didn’t know the “Cleopatra trick” in that explicit descrition. Always great to come on this forum, I always learn something about femininity. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 1:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687/6 "2011-04-05T01:53:31Z")
> [@Taggle](#): > > I do it all the time, but why wear a coverscent!? If your own smell is that bad, I would recomend a doctor… > > I think it works a little, but most is probably placebo 🙂 I recommended it to boost diffusion, not to cover a smell. ---
**Author:** ![pheroUserName](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/eb8c5e/32.png) [@pheroUserName](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pheroUserName)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 9:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687/7 "2011-04-05T09:41:01Z")
> [@](#): > > If your own smell is that bad, I would recomend a doctor. Its not really that, just that I have found (and tell me if I am alone here) that things dont always smell.. consistent (some days stronger than others, some days its hard to notice at all). Plus, since we are dealing with your own personal scent, I am a little unsure of my ability to gauge just how much is too much. Thus is why I was looking for a synthetic product that would be a tad easier to use. I am still very eager to experiment with other products, but I was really disappointed to hear that EoW seems to be the ONLY product of its kind on the market. Are there really no other companies out there trying to develop products like this? For the reasons I mentioned above, it seems like there are a lot of women who would rather use a synthetic product. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 10:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687/8 "2011-04-05T10:05:35Z")
Your copulins are there strongest around ovulation so they will smell stronger then and thats normal. Its also when they are at there most potent. It really is the most natural easy way to use copulins and you are making them so you cant use to much however if your on the pill or approaching menopause your copulin production slows down to a stop so the natural stuff wont work for you then. There are other companies that use copulins in [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) but they get them from the makers of EOW. There is one other small vendor who I can not mention here cause she is banned that came up with her own formula. It didnt work well for me when I tested it which I did right when I first received it. Funny thing though after that I just put it away and stopped testing and revisited it a few months later and it smelled just like EOW and worked much better. I think curing time has a lot to do with the effectiveness of it. I am sure if you google copulins you will find her. That’s about it though, no one else is making them bottled out there really. Its tough to find a good formula and they are really not that easy to make. The smell alone can make a lab toxic and the acids have to be balanced out right or you can cause skin problems for people. AD used to have them and nothing beats there’s including EOW but that may have been because of the mones mixed with them to. They smelled god awful but worked like a charm I still have bottles of LAM that I use for special occasions. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Taggle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/taggle/32/1793_2.png) [@Taggle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Taggle)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 5:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687/9 "2011-04-05T17:53:39Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > I recommended it to boost diffusion, not to cover a smell. Hehe, nice 🙄 I had a totally fishy-cheesy-thing going on in my head… ---
**Author:** ![Txfox76](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/txfox76/32/2307_2.png) [@Txfox76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Txfox76)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 6:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687/10 "2011-04-05T18:24:03Z")
> [@pheroUserName](#): > > Its not really that, just that I have found (and tell me if I am alone here) that things dont always smell.. consistent (some days stronger than others, some days its hard to notice at all). Plus, since we are dealing with your own personal scent, I am a little unsure of my ability to gauge just how much is too much. Thus is why I was looking for a synthetic product that would be a tad easier to use. > > I am still very eager to experiment with other products, but I was really disappointed to hear that EoW seems to be the ONLY product of its kind on the market. Are there really no other companies out there trying to develop products like this? For the reasons I mentioned above, it seems like there are a lot of women who would rather use a synthetic product. IMO using synthetic cops is FAR more tricky than the above-mentioned trick. DIY (so to speak) w/ perfume for diffusion is a no brainer. . .the men who do react go nuts. . . no one would ever know what you were doing/wearing. (as long as you smell like CLEAN vagina lol) Wearing cops like EoW is trickier I find I get the best responses when my cover scent (and you’ll NEED one) just barely masks the stank of EoW. . . this took a LOT of play/experimentation/ extra showers. ---
**Author:** ![pheroUserName](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/eb8c5e/32.png) [@pheroUserName](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pheroUserName)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687/11 "2011-04-08T17:17:02Z")
> [@](#): > > AD used to have them and nothing beats there’s including EOW Thats interesting… why did they stop making them? Do they have any plans to create a new product? As popular as EoW seems to be, youd think SOMEBODY out there would be taking a stab at this… I am somewhat happy with EoW, but some more options would be nice. Currently my personal scent is a bit hard to detect (not sure if im just not able to detect it, or if its just not there), so I am still anxiously awaiting more synthetic alternatives. ---
**Author:** ![xev](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xev/32/1993_2.png) [@xev](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xev)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 6:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687/12 "2011-04-08T18:33:09Z")
The problems with using the Cleopatra trick are multiple. First, the few research papers there are on copulins indicated that only about 30% of the female test subjects produced significant amounts of copulins at any time during their cycle. If that group of study subjects is representative of all women, then 70% of us don’t have the highly attractive smell, no matter how healthy and clean we are. Second, the proportions of chemicals in the copulins changes throughout the cycle, and only the secretions during the “fertile phase” caused the testosterone reactions in the male subjects. This would mean that among the minority of women that produce copulins at all, the Cleopatra trick would only work well for a few days out of the month, would work less well before and after the fertile phase, and for obvious reasons would not be an option during menstruation. Third, there is the age factor. Presumably, copulin production declines with age. I don’t know of a study that has shown it, so this is just an assumption. That is why artificial copulin products are such a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 7:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687/13 "2011-04-08T19:02:39Z")
Nice to see ya, xev. 😉 Bella ---
**Author:** ![xev](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xev/32/1993_2.png) [@xev](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xev)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2011, 4:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687/14 "2011-04-09T04:21:42Z")
> [@Bella](#): > > Nice to see ya, xev. 😉 > > Bella Thanks!!🙂 ---
**Author:** ![xev](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xev/32/1993_2.png) [@xev](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xev)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2011, 4:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687/15 "2011-04-09T04:24:03Z")
One more thing – another paper indicated that birth control pills cause drastic decreases in copulin production. > [@xev](#): > > The problems with using the Cleopatra trick are multiple. > > First, the few research papers there are on copulins indicated that only about 30% of the female test subjects produced significant amounts of copulins at any time during their cycle. If that group of study subjects is representative of all women, then 70% of us don’t have the highly attractive smell, no matter how healthy and clean we are. > > Second, the proportions of chemicals in the copulins changes throughout the cycle, and only the secretions during the “fertile phase” caused the testosterone reactions in the male subjects. This would mean that among the minority of women that produce copulins at all, the Cleopatra trick would only work well for a few days out of the month, would work less well before and after the fertile phase, and for obvious reasons would not be an option during menstruation. > > Third, there is the age factor. Presumably, copulin production declines with age. I don’t know of a study that has shown it, so this is just an assumption. > > That is why artificial copulin products are such a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![pheroUserName](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/eb8c5e/32.png) [@pheroUserName](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pheroUserName)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2011, 3:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687/16 "2011-04-09T15:08:03Z")
> [@xev](#): > > The problems with using the Cleopatra trick are multiple. > > First, the few research papers there are on copulins indicated that only about 30% of the female test subjects produced significant amounts of copulins at any time during their cycle. If that group of study subjects is representative of all women, then 70% of us don’t have the highly attractive smell, no matter how healthy and clean we are. > > Second, the proportions of chemicals in the copulins changes throughout the cycle, and only the secretions during the “fertile phase” caused the testosterone reactions in the male subjects. This would mean that among the minority of women that produce copulins at all, the Cleopatra trick would only work well for a few days out of the month, would work less well before and after the fertile phase, and for obvious reasons would not be an option during menstruation. > > Third, there is the age factor. Presumably, copulin production declines with age. I don’t know of a study that has shown it, so this is just an assumption. > > That is why artificial copulin products are such a good thing. Well said. Now if only more companies would listen ☹ . I am considering giving that ‘vulva’ stuff a try (the stuff tisha mentioned) as it seems to be the only other option besides EoW. Anyone have any experience with it? ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687/17 "2011-04-09T19:11:01Z")
Although I have one, I haven’t tried Vulva. There are more options for copulin products. I have several of them and some of them are _very_ good. However, we are not permitted to mention any of them except EoW, and apparently Vulva, on this forum. So, seek (Google) and you shall find! 🙂 Bella ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 12:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687/18 "2011-04-10T00:09:39Z")
> [@Bella](#): > > Although I have one, I haven’t tried Vulva. There are more options for copulin products. I have several of them and some of them are _very_ good. However, we are not permitted to mention any of them except EoW, and apparently Vulva, on this forum. So, seek (Google) and you shall find! 🙂 > > Bella 😮 Women have gotten a hold of copulins I dont know about LOL I am thinking and thinking and I cant come up with a company who doesn’t get there cops from Stone or sells them without anything else added. Except our banned friend who made her own. Maybe I am going senile LOL Email me 😃 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 12:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687/19 "2011-04-10T00:29:00Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > 😮 _ **Women have gotten a hold of copulins I dont know about LOL I am thinking and thinking and I cant come up with a company who doesn’t get there cops from Stone or sells them without anything else added.** _ > > _ **Except our banned friend who made her own.** _ > > _ **Maybe I am going senile LOL** _ > > _ **Email me 😃** _ Yes, you are going senile, lol. Move over. 😛 I didn’t mean straight cops. I said copulins _products thinking that it was common knowledge that nobody but Stone makes straight copulins (EoW), and an EoW oil, available from another company who also creates wonderful fragrances. But newbies wouldn’t really know that would they, lol. Sorry, my bad. I shoulda emphasized that they were perfumed products that contain copulins_ and some of them work _really_ well. 😉 BTW our banned friend is no longer selling them straight, only in mixes, ala… only already included in perfumed mixtures and/or in mixes containing other molecules. As if I’d find real cops and wouldn’t tell you?! 😛 Bella ---
**Author:** ![pheroUserName](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/eb8c5e/32.png) [@pheroUserName](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pheroUserName)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687/20 "2011-04-10T00:45:27Z")
Hmm well two questions - 1.) Does anyone know WHY only one company (Stone?) makes pure cops? Do they hold some kind of patent 😛 ? 2.) Are there really any other scented products out there that are worth trying (again if I am looking for something along the lines of EoW). Like I said in my original post, I also purchased ‘Mistress Pheramons’ and was very disappointed. At first I thought it was just me, but I had a male friend of mine confirm that it smells like a cheap perfume, nothing more. Call me cynical, but I have a feeling most of these ‘perfumey’ products rely heavily (if not entirely) on the placebo effect. I really think that it takes that unmistakable ‘crotch smell’ in order to achieve the effect we are after here. And it sounds like EoW is the only product that trys to clearly simulate ‘that’ smell ☹ . [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687.md?page=2)