# Simulating the 'Cleopatra trick'... **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 3, 2011, 1:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687 "2011-04-03T13:12:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 21
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 11:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687/21 "2011-04-10T11:29:02Z")
> [@pheroUserName](#): > > _ **Hmm well two questions -** _ > > _**1.) Does anyone know WHY only one company (Stone?) makes pure cops? Do they hold some kind of patent 😛 ?**_ No, I don’t believe anyone holds a patent but Tisha gave you the answer as to why they’re so scarce to come by. 😉 > [@tisha23](#): > > \*\*\*That’s about it though, no one else is making them bottled out there really. Its tough to find a good formula and they are really not that easy to make. The smell alone can make a lab toxic and the acids have to be balanced out right or you can cause skin problems for people. \*\*\* PheorUN, if it helps you to envision how difficult synthetic copulins are to make, imagine HAZMAT/quarantine. If it was easy to simulate we’d all be whippin’ 'em up in our bathtubs. Tisha has the original beta version of EoW and she can tell you how bad\* that\* smells. Gone With The Wind buried his in the backyard. I’ll bet it’s still there, lol. Doesn’t sound good does it? 😃 If the fact that the cops are synthetic bothers you then seek out what you can find that’s allegedly more natural. Perhaps they’re really derived from serene cloistered nuns who raise chickens in Maryland… or from ads seeking to hire women who are in their ovulatory phase who are interested in making some easy money in trade for their copulins. Yeah, that sounds good. I haven’t seen a certificate of authentication from anyone stating/identifying where they actually get their natural copulins from, they still have to be sterilized/formulated in a lab whether they’re synthetic or natural. > [@pheroUserName](#): > > _**2.) Are there really any other scented products out there that are worth trying (again if I am looking for something along the lines of EoW).**_ Yes, I think/know so. > [@pheroUserName](#): > > _ **Like I said in my original post, I also purchased ‘Mistress Pheramons’ and was very disappointed. At first I thought it was just me, but I had a male friend of mine confirm that it smells like a cheap perfume, nothing more.** _ Take it for what it’s worth PheroUN…my personal opinion as an experienced user of straight copulins/perfumed copulins products. Straight synthetic copulins, (EoW in the alcohol version manufactured by Stone Labs available from Love Scent… or EoW in the oil version manufactured by Stone Labs and available exclusively from a company we can’t mention), is what I’ve personally found to work best of all copulins products. Yes, as far as I’m concerned, there are **a few** scented copulins products I’ve used that work\* really\* well…_for me_. However, I’ve also tested some that have not worked so well\*…for me\*. I didn’t find Mistress to be great. I’ve tested exactly the same “natural” ones as Tisha mentioned. In fact we were both initial testers for them and I got the same result she did. After they matured they were more effect than when I originally tested them. > [@pheroUserName](#): > > \*\*\*Call me cynical, but I have a feeling most of these ‘perfumey’ products rely heavily (if not entirely) on the placebo effect. \*\*\*_ **I really think that it takes that unmistakable ‘crotch smell’ in order to achieve the effect we are after here. And it sounds like EoW is the only product that trys to clearly simulate ‘that’ smell .** _ We were all under that impression at one time and then we found out differently. While there are still earthy notes in EoW, the butt cheese/poopy smell that became so familiar to most of us, is no longer there because the indole has been removed. There’s a response/learning curve to everything. Sometimes we have preconceived notions that effect our perception of things…and combined with both psychological and physical responses effects the way we respond to things, including pheromones/copulins. PheroNU, you actually don’t have to\* consciously\* smell “crotch smell” in order for copulins to attract men/get reactions. Just like women aren’t conscious that they’re attracted to the “smell” of men/Androstenone when they’re in their ovulatory/fertile phase. Your natural cops have an odor and each woman has her own unique scent. I’ve been in enough girl’s locker rooms to know that! LOL! But none of them should smell like EoW and if they do something is wrong, lol, very wrong. Cal 911/seek medical attention ASAP. This is the bottom line on the latest developments concerning EoW. Maybe it’ll be of some help. > [@EOW question](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/eow-question/43287): > > I have a couple of unopened bottles of EOW that I’ve had for awhile, I finally needed to open one. These were packaged with screw-on tops, with the droppers separate, so it would have probably been after that time when everyone was having problems with leaky bottles. The problem is, they aren’t “stinky”, or at least the one I opened isn’t (I’m assuming the other to be the same since they came in the same order). It has a chemically smell, but none of the “ripe cheese” odor that I am accustomed… That said, there has been some debate on the effect/attractiveness provided by the earthy/“dirty” indole in the older versions of EoW, that was subsequently removed from the present batch. Was it more attractive to some BEFORE the indole was removed? Maybe. My opinion is… I think it comes down to what particular scents attract certain people, especially sexually. Some people are really attracted to and turned on by “dirty”/earthy/animal scents and some are repelled by them. For example, I like just a trace of the scent of EoW peeking out from under my cover scent. That is my personal preference. I actually think that the right dose of EoW improves the scent of certain perfumes I’ve sprayed over it and improved the fragrance of some perfumes when I’ve added straight EoW to the bottle. Again, personal preference as to how strong a scent of EoW you like or don’t like and if it’s the proper amount to get you a response. If you like/believe that “crotch smell” works best for you for attraction, then go with it. If somebody else wants to bury the scent six feet under they’ll cover it with a strong fragrance. If all of it makes your head spin like a top and it’s too much trouble for you to work with or figure out…buy a ready to go already perfumed copulins product. Most decent perfumed copulins products on the market contain EoW, supplied by Stone, albeit in higher or lower mcgs/bottle depending on the particular product. Most of the companies list the mcgs of EoW contained in their products on the label. Just because the copulins products that we speak of are scented doesn’t mean they contain “fake” copulins or don’t contain a viable amount of synthetic copulins to be effective. So perfumy doesn’t mean that it’s fake and/or that it relies on a placebo effect. It depends on the product and you’re chemistry and, as always, your mileage may vary. Unfortunately, we can’t name names and the only copulins reviews you’re going to get on this forum are reviews strictly for EoW and now it looks like Vulva discussion is also permitted. There are a bazillion posts on how to properly use EoW all over PTalk. If using a perfumed copulins product didn’t work we wouldn’t be/have been adding straight EoW to our favorite perfumes/lotions for years…and adding it to products like IS/A, IS/B and even [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). The choices for available straight synthetic copulins… and alternative choices for available “natural” copulins products… and the availability of scented synthetic/natural copulins products… has been layed out for you by experienced users concerning your question. All types of copulins…, synthetic or allegedly “natural”… that we’ve been able to get our hands on… has been discussed as far as we’re able to discuss them under the… we can’t talk about most companies/copulins rule. 🙂 I’m fresh outta rabbits, kiddo. They’re all outta the hat and lucky I’m not in the mood for stew. Although I could use a new foot for my key chain. Seriously, If you’re at all interested in trying a copulins product with the cover scent built in then I strongly suggest you get a few from reputable vendors and test them for yourself. You may be pleasantly surprised. 😉 Bella --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simulating-the-cleopatra-trick/49687)._