# Slow burn or OD **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 20, 2009, 11:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/slow-burn-or-od/34234 "2009-11-20T11:26:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BubbleCatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ebca7d/32.png) [@BubbleCatcher](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BubbleCatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 11:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/slow-burn-or-od/34234/1 "2009-11-20T11:26:06Z")
Hello, tried a mix out last night at my local pub karaoke night. This a family run pub that i recently started to go to and am just starting to be seen as regular though due to my social anxiety (SA) am still not very chatty but getting better. Now there woman that has spiked my interest, although she is not my main TG who is woman at dancing, she a woman i would like to get to know so will call her TGJ. She about 10 years younger then me, bit of tom boy look but still feminine and in my books a HB9 Note my mixs have to deal with settling SA not just affecting others. So the mix was 2x A314 1x EOW (30ml bottle PA 3drops) A1 12.5 mcg 2x IO x2 1x IShine x2 2x TUTH P74 12.5 mcg [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) 2.5 mcg P78 20 mcg P79 6.25 mcg P80 5 mcg P83 20 mcg (applied later when sure of mood) Meo-Est 150 mcg Cover 2 sprays M7 The pub is 10min walk so am nice and warm when arrive so should have nice phero cloud. It is about 9.45 Now i want to get TGJ in phero cloud, so have to get to end of bar as she sits near DJ in area that is not a fairway so not lot passing opportunities except barmaid that comes through access at end of bar. Now TGJ knows i have an interest in her and am sure my heading for this part of bar is noted. You can get woman around this part of bar as it where they sing and choose songs, but there is an couple of old guys at bar which is not going to help as they are taking up space and blocking any opportunities. Now the mix is making me feel good but i am noticing that i am not getting a lot feedback, the barmaids are not looking me in the eye when serving me, though one catches my eye as she came through hatch, which is different from previous night with simple mix. Now as said i am not in good place to get interactions with passing woman and the old guy is blocking any of them standing next to me at bar so things are quite. I am not sure how things are with TGJ as think we are starting to play game, i have giving her enough eye contact, no staring, that she know i am interested. When i do catch her eye she holds it just that bit to long for it to be casual but never really long eye contact except if sharing a laugh about someone singing bad. Increasingly she seems to be making a point of not looking me, walking past, standing next to at bar when being served but still i can catch her looking at me. This was how things were tonight, here i am stuck at the end of the bar getting no feedback from mix, i can see couple of women who have opened me on other side of bar, but no i am going to hold out here. The old guy goes and space open up next to me., it is about 12.30. A good friend of TGJ and who is something to do with pub, stand in space, she about a HB4. She passes close to me a couple of times when going behind bar. After about 20-30 min i find she walking behind bar and back a lot and really rubbing herself against me as she passes. She start standing so close she touching me even though she plenty of space. The she opens me saying i normally gone by this time, which is true. Did not following this conversation up as find her accent hard to hear over music. Though later she asked me to look after her drink while she went for a smoke. TGJ is sitting with her singing mate, a black woman. A guy walks over and sits in between them, he hitting on TGJ. I have watched a lot guys hit on TGJ and she blows them off every time, though she does it in subtle polite way they know they have been blow out. She must get this a lot as she very confident in how she handles it. While the guy is hitting on her she is exchanging looks with her mate who standing next to me laughing, also exchanging looks with me as i am laughing too as i know this guy has no chance. At one point her mate standing next to me call her over to chat, TGJ stands in front me side ways on, very close but not touching and in phero cloud for sure. She chats with mate for about 5min and not once did she look at me before sitting down again. Guy get message and moves on. Some people come in and stand between me and TGJ though i can still occasionally catch her eye and caught looking at me couple of times. It is getting near the end of the night, 2am, pub is starting to clear and can see TGJ again. I catch her eye and this time she locks on for about 15 seconds then still holding eye contact gets up and walks straight towards me as if she going to talk to me, the at last moment she turns to talk to friend who is still standing next to me. Again is close and standing sideways on, but again will not look at me when close, moves off after about 5 min for dance. Two woman in 20s start dancing in front of me, one white one black, the black on starts giving me the eye a lot and white starts to as well. What is going here, is like 5 hrs since pheros applied and now get hits ? Though did apply 25mcg P83 at about 11.30 as was feeling fine. Called it a night at this time as had drunk more then i normally do. So did i OD at start of night or was it that i was just in wrong place? Not sure what is going on with TGJ, she seems to making point of not interacting with me, but still catch her looking at me, could be she wants me to open her and is bit pissed that i have not? Sure there is some interest though, me i still have the SA and having seen her blow so many others off is not good but know i should and will open her but not hit on her and she how things go, trouble is am getting into this mind set where i am wanting to see if i can use pheros to get her to open me! Is all turning into a bit of game šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 1:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/slow-burn-or-od/34234/2 "2009-11-20T13:58:38Z")
Iā€™m at work so canā€™t reply in detail now, although I will get back to you later. Realize though, you created a mix consisting of _at least_ 15 different molecules (some of which I wouldnā€™t personally wear together) which add up to about 371.35mcg of [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/). Despite the mixes size it probably, for the most part, went unnoticed or ignored ā€“ it just seems very vague, abstract and fuzzy to me. Iā€™ll get back to you. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 2:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/slow-burn-or-od/34234/3 "2009-11-20T14:00:11Z")
I will tell you that is a very interesting but very busy mix. I would say too busy - too much. I mean all the comopnents are proven in and of themselves but I seldom have seen mixes with that much in them. Even Steveā€™s famous ICM mixes did not have that many molecules. So was it an OD at the beginning of the evening - possibly - but in the sense that you had so much on you may have ghosted a bit. I would not hink you had too much none on (given the socials you were wearing) but everyone is different. The fact that the one lady was getting close and rubbing up against you seems to indicate you were not too ā€¦ repelant. And she could have been ovulating or close to it and reacted well to the none. Now as far as TGJ goes. You may have a couple different situations going on here and you will have to sort them out. She is either just interested in being friends or she is trying to figure you out and if she wants to be more involved. She is obviously not interested in must any guy. So, she has either not found one she is interested in .. or .. she is interested in one who just has not made a move yet. Or she has something on the side you are not aware of. Her ignoring you is intersting. She could be just busy. Or if she is interested it is her challenge to you to pursue if you are interested. Now this could either be in the form of ā€œI am turning down guys in front of you because I am waiting for you to make a move if you are seriously interestedā€. Or it could be she is trying the occassional ā€œshitā€ test to see if you will pass (are man enough to stand on your own two feet so to speak) or if she can wrap you around her finger like these other guys. Now I know this may not have helped a lot and you may have sorted most if not all of this out for yourself already, but this is what i see as the options. What to do: You are already her friend of sort - be more outgoing, crack jokes, but do _NOT_ come across as needy. Women love a guy who can talk intelligently and make them laugh. Happy to see her but not needing to see her. when you catch her eye across the way - smile, nod, tip your glass to her. Friendly, acknowledging she is there. That actually knocks the ball back in her court. You have silently said hello without an actual approach. Is she going to come over and say hello or not. You have given her an opening so she will not be seen as aggressive or overplaying her hand if she comes and talks to you. If you can sing at all, trying getting up and singing a song. Even if it is not great most women love a guy with enough cojones to do something bold like that. ---
**Author:** ![BubbleCatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ebca7d/32.png) [@BubbleCatcher](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BubbleCatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 3:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/slow-burn-or-od/34234/4 "2009-11-20T15:00:03Z")
Thanks for the replies. As for the mix, yes i think it was more ā€˜over cookedā€™ the OD. It was one of those nights where i was like a monkey with a sweet jar, grabbing loads but getting none. A lesson learnt though. My mix previous night was much simplier and better, that was. 1x EOW (30ml PA 3 drops) 1x TUTH P78 25mcg [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) 12.5 mcg TAC 25mcg Meo-Est 75mcg (was going to be 50mcg but had that 1/2 spray you get with new bottle) The worked very well in same pub. Though very much quieter night, i got interest from both barmaids one who is always very friendly with loads of eye contact, had lot little chat/interactions with her. The landlords mum who lives around the corner and is having issues with lorry deleiveries kept trying to include me in conversation she was having with barmaids about with loads of eye contact. She in her 50s At one point a fellow she knows came in and sat down next to her but still she would turn her body to face despite talking to him a lot, kept her body pointing to me. Left when phone call came in about lorries. So even though previous might mix was still bit heavy it worked much better so will try that again with few minor adjustments on sunday which is next karaoke night. As to TGJ, bosshank you make some good observations some of which i sort of worked out. Although she not is a glamour type woman she is HV and knows it and any direct play is not going to work. From some of her body language in past i would say she is interested, here is snippet from another nights observations of her with me standing about 8 ft away and no one in between. > [@](#): > > As the night went on the way she was sitting changed, she began to turn to face me lying back and sliding down the bench seat a bit, her right leg out stretched and pointing towards me, me left foot place on the bench seat with knee pulled to her left. > > Not sure if you can picture this pose but it is one you would find a adult mag. Although she was wearing baggy jeans make no mistake she was exposing her honey pot in a very provocative way, well for me anyway. > > At one point she pulled up her top and began to rub her lower stomach and under jeans top, this exposed some flesh. As to weather she is challenging me or testing i am not sure! then again she may already have BF (never seen one) but still but is curious about seeing what my reactions will be. Like you say i need to put the ball in her court by upping my interaction while not hitting on her, trouble is i can be a bit stubborn and if get the impression she want me to run after her then i will do the opposite. That said i donā€™t think she is doing that. As to singing, well first i canā€™t sing a note, second the old SA would probably reader me unable to speak, maybe i should practice this in less pressured environment. Now if it was partner dancing i would have asked long time ago šŸ™‚ Think i am going to make a point of acknowledged her and friend when i arrive at pub, and if she stands next to me a bar i will ask if she plans to break any more hearts that night. Will also engage with her friends as way in without hitting on her. This is feeling like one of those elaborate dating rituals that i have come across in the past where the two of circle each other each trying to work the other out, while sending signals of interest. Have found that if you get it together it can be good and the build up as taken so long. ---
**Author:** ![BubbleCatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ebca7d/32.png) [@BubbleCatcher](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BubbleCatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 3:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/slow-burn-or-od/34234/5 "2009-11-20T15:05:57Z")
Ohh look what i have found, time to practice that singing [SingSnap | SingSnap - Friends heard round the world](http://www.singsnap.com)