# SMASHING Misinformation with a HAMMER! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 6, 2014, 6:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/smashing-misinformation-with-a-hammer/60814 "2014-01-06T06:47:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ekscentra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6bbea6/32.png) [@Ekscentra](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ekscentra)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 6:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/smashing-misinformation-with-a-hammer/60814/1 "2014-01-06T06:47:25Z")
**Prologue from John Sebastian:** This post was posted in [Which pheromones will encourage women to seduce me?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-pheromones-will-encourage-women-to-seduce-me/60688) this thread. I noticed I threadjacked a little bit while clearing up a misconception, so to respect Casanova, the OP of that post, and to keep things relevant and searchable, I broke the two ideas into separate threads. Following this line, is Ekscentra’s post kicking off the whole discussion. Read, enlighten, and enjoy. – JSLV\* _PS- Ekscentra, I hope you don’t mind I hijacked your post with my prologue… vBulletin does not let me make a thread in the past and all posts are listed in chronological order._ * * * MEO-EST is sold at True [Pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/). It’s a carcinogen with many other negative sides if absorbed through the skin, so mix it up as an oil or apply strictly to clothing and remove thoroughly if you’re going to use it. The effects are incredible, unmatched by any single molecule out there for what it does. Can come across as beta when used alone, so make sure to use alpha mones in the mix. Beta -dienol or P96 hasn’t been sold for years, but I’m confident it’ll be back in stock soon. The only mixes currently containing P96 are HAX’s P919 and PXS’s XS119 Beta. There are over 50 molecules carrying the name Beta androstadienol, so telling you the name won’t do much more than allow you to read the labels on the mixes I’ve mentioned and find the ingredient I’m referring to. TAH, as you know, is available. Combining the 2 molecules with one of the P96-containing mixes mentioned, Nude Alpha/A314, and any A1-based mix (including True Love, which already contains MEO-EST, though I’d be more inclined to recommend Perfect Match from Love Potion or Imprint from Phalanx) and I’m certain you’ll get the results you desire. This combination hasn’t been explored for some time due to the lack of availability for these molecules, P96 mostly, but it was always a great one, and still is. Definitely still worth a shot, as far as I’m concerned. Note concerning the two mixes containing BA: I’d recommend XS119 over P919 as it’s simpler, more likely to synergize well, and has much greater room for error. The amount of -none in this mix is negligible, and -etrione and pregnenolone combine well with just about everything. While I haven’t tried this exact mix, I’ve tried a nearly identical mix and it works excellently. I have no doubt this would work as well, but it’s a bit of a complex mix, especially for someone who, I assume, has never delved outside of Androtics offerings. I’d stick with still18’s suggestion and keep it simple, but if you want to bring out the big guns, you know what to do… ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 12:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/smashing-misinformation-with-a-hammer/60814/2 "2014-01-07T00:30:42Z")
> [@Ekscentra](#): > > MEO-EST is sold at True Pheromones. It’s a carcinogen with many other negative sides if absorbed through the skin, so mix it up as an oil or apply strictly to clothing and remove thoroughly if you’re going to use it. The effects are incredible, unmatched by any single molecule out there for what it does. Can come across as beta when used alone, so make sure to use alpha mones in the mix. > > Beta -dienol or P96 hasn’t been sold for years, but I’m confident it’ll be back in stock soon. The only mixes currently containing P96 are HAX’s P919 and PXS’s XS119 Beta. There are over 50 molecules carrying the name Beta androstadienol, so telling you the name won’t do much more than allow you to read the labels on the mixes I’ve mentioned and find the ingredient I’m referring to. > > TAH, as you know, is available. Combining the 2 molecules with one of the P96-containing mixes mentioned, Nude Alpha/A314, and any A1-based mix (including True Love, which already contains MEO-EST, though I’d be more inclined to recommend Perfect Match from Love Potion or Imprint from Phalanx) and I’m certain you’ll get the results you desire. This combination hasn’t been explored for some time due to the lack of availability for these molecules, P96 mostly, but it was always a great one, and still is. Definitely still worth a shot, as far as I’m concerned. > > Note concerning the two mixes containing BA: I’d recommend XS119 over P919 as it’s simpler, more likely to synergize well, and has much greater room for error. The amount of -none in this mix is negligible, and -etrione and pregnenolone combine well with just about everything. While I haven’t tried this exact mix, I’ve tried a nearly identical mix and it works excellently. I have no doubt this would work as well, but it’s a bit of a complex mix, especially for someone who, I assume, has never delved outside of Androtics offerings. I’d stick with still18’s suggestion and keep it simple, but if you want to bring out the big guns, you know what to do… Hey E, how do you know p96 is beta dienol, have you tested both side by side for comparison, I’m only saying this because Iv had alot of experience with p96 and the beta dienol I tried was nothing like it, in fact I’m certain it was much closer to p93. ---
**Author:** ![Ekscentra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6bbea6/32.png) [@Ekscentra](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ekscentra)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 2:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/smashing-misinformation-with-a-hammer/60814/3 "2014-01-07T02:58:51Z")
> [@THE\_GHOST](#): > > Hey E, how do you know p96 is beta dienol, have you tested both side by side for comparison, I’m only saying this because Iv had alot of experience with p96 and the beta dienol I tried was nothing like it, in fact I’m certain it was much closer to p93. Hey Ghost, Chris of Alpha Dream did an experiment a few years back attempting to uncover the chemical formula for each of the putatives. The experiment ended up being far too expensive to continue. P96 was one of the few molecules to be determined. Given that there are over 50 molecules named Beta -dienol, it wouldn’t surprise me if more than a few of these molecules acted as pheromones with slightly to significantly varying effects. It’s possible we tested a different molecule, or the same molecule at a different purity. Yes, I’ve also tested both side-by-side, and the effects are astoundingly similar. I’d be willing to bet Androtics has used many molecules carrying this name, and if so I wouldn’t be surprised if P91-P97 were among them. Did you have the chemical formula of the molecule you tested? BA can be very frustrating for this reason… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2014, 12:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/smashing-misinformation-with-a-hammer/60814/4 "2014-01-08T12:54:18Z")
Just want to come in and clear up a misconception or two about P96 and Beta Androstadienol, or any chemical structures people have authoritatively claimed is a P of whatever number for that matter. It’s in everyone’s best interest that we address misinformation as early as possible, to avoid any unintended harm to anyone. Spreading misinformation is detrimental to the community. In the name of blind testing and finding out the true nature of [putative pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/product-category/advanced-pheromones/putative-pheromones/), without being flavored by the data contained inherently in the molecule structure, we will **never** release the structure of the P molecules publicly. Anything and everything anyone outside of Androtics has ever said about any and every P ever released is _purely_ speculating. Early on, we released molecule names, and learned that it contained too much leading information. To combat that, we codified everything, which granted, carries its own psychological consequences. Haven’t you ever noticed that people favor mixes that end in 00 or 01? It’s a strange phenomenon. People favor familiarity. It makes testing somewhat difficult. We’re currently developing a new reviewing system that mitigates this. As I PM’d someone a little earlier this week, I totally understand if the mistake was made in error, everyone makes mistakes. I just don’t want someone to read your thread, search for these compounds, and end up somewhere that exposes them to counterfeit or badly made merchandise. There are too many poor operations out there. We have, on our shelf, every pheromone or putative pheromone ever mentioned in scientific literature, plus the collection that our founding members put together based on their own observations and ingenuity. While they may be coded as P or TA, or just not available for purchase to the general public, we reserve a supply of either American or European research standard compounds for our Academic clientele. You can’t understand the complex nature of pheromonal effects without having the absolute most precise tools. Before we came around, no one had even figured out something as simple as dosing. Androtics were the first who made serious/accurate pheromone tinkering a reality. Beyond even that, compounds are being precisely weighed in complex vibration free environments for absolute accuracy – which isn’t something you can get in someone’s garage with an eBay-bought scale. I didn’t mean to threadjack you Newbie777, but I _did_ feel the urge to set straight some misinformation. I want to make sure this community is active, safe, and thriving for everyone. Back to your original thread, I would absolutely _love_ to hear the results of what you wore and what happened with you and the lovely gym attendant you’re speaking of. That said, a low dose P96 and TAK would have my vote for something magnetic and alluring. I would calibrate your reaction a few times before presenting it to her. Good luck and Godspeed, good sir! ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2014, 11:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/smashing-misinformation-with-a-hammer/60814/5 "2014-01-08T23:54:17Z")
> [@THE\_GHOST](#): > > Hey E, how do you know p96 is beta dienol, have you tested both side by side for comparison, I’m only saying this because Iv had alot of experience with p96 and the beta dienol I tried was nothing like it, in fact I’m certain it was much closer to p93. Both are not Beta-dienol … i have the stuff .. and it’s not the same .. neither [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) nor P96 !! there was a product by another vendor out there that contained P96 .. but sadly you can get it nowhere anymore .. I’m not going to tell you guys who made it . Pago ---
**Author:** ![Ekscentra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6bbea6/32.png) [@Ekscentra](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ekscentra)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 1:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/smashing-misinformation-with-a-hammer/60814/6 "2014-01-09T13:15:36Z")
Strange, I had found the effects of the two nearly identical. If what you say is true, and I trust that it is, I’ll need to re-evaluate this molecule. This may be similar to the [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) vs -anone situation - similar at first glance, completely different after figuring out both molecules. I will no longer put any trust in Chris as a vendor, in that case. Constantly misinforming customers and bringing false promises is not something I take kindly to. P96 needs longer-term testing on my part. I sincerely apologize if I’ve misled anyone here, that was not my intention. I’ll wait patiently for P96 to re-stock. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 5:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/smashing-misinformation-with-a-hammer/60814/7 "2014-01-09T17:33:11Z")
> [@Pagodeiro](#): > > there was a product by another vendor out there that contained P96 .. but sadly you can get it nowhere anymore .. > Pago Thanks, Pago. For the record, again, in the spirit of QUASHING any and all misinformation, here’s the deal. Anyone and everyone who claims they have P96 in their product is either: 1. Lying. 2. Procured P96 WITHOUT PERMISSION. ie- abused the Reporting User system and purchased with the intent to resell, which is _prohibited_ without written consent. Currently no consent is on file with any third party manufacturers, at all. No one meets our stringent stewardship agreements. If someone would step up to our stewardship agreements, then maybe we could consider them. At the time of writing, no. _ **T** _\*hose are the only two ways anyone other than Androtics Research can possibly claim there is any P96 in their product, whatsoever. Period. End of Story. * * * Sorry to talk so tough, people, but matters such as this can’t be danced around. It’s not good for the community, it’s not good for the world at large. We adhere to high standards, and we expect all people to act on good faith and uphold them with us. > [@Ekscentra](#): > > Strange, I had found the effects of the two nearly identical. If what you say is true, and I trust that it is, I’ll need to re-evaluate this molecule. Different strokes, different folks. This is why we are HERE. To evaluate and discuss the tiny subtleties and nuances between molecules and even syntheses. > [@](#): > > This may be similar to the P75 vs -anone situation - similar at first glance, completely different after figuring out both molecules. I will no longer put any trust in Chris as a vendor, in that case. Constantly misinforming customers and bringing false promises is not something I take kindly to. P96 needs longer-term testing on my part. I sincerely apologize if I’ve misled anyone here, that was not my intention. I’ll wait patiently for P96 to re-stock. Ekscentra, I see a blossoming in your reporting style – keep it up, dude! We appreciate ANY AND ALL feedback, good or bad. Yes, good _or_ bad. Please give us the bad. This gives us opportunity to tweak, improve, grow. Point of evolution, right? As for Chris, it’s always in _our_ best interest to just _mind and optimize **our own** business_ than to think about anyone else’s. So that’s what we do. More time to spend on YOU, as an integral part of our family of testers. Thanks for giving me a moment to respond to this. I just might break this off into another thread, to give some space to the actual topic at hand. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 5:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/smashing-misinformation-with-a-hammer/60814/8 "2014-01-09T17:49:15Z")
`http://www.pheromonetalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=998&stc=1&d=1389289289` _Thor, I’m gonna need you on this one, buddy._ Hi Folks, I hijacked a thread a day or so ago by accident, quashing some misconceptions about our P series molecules. I’ll broke off that thread and pasted it here, and leave the other thread to blossom into the thread it SHOULD be, instead of the thread THIS thread should become. (_boy, I hope that made sense._) I’d like to keep the conversation spirited and courteous, so if you have any questions or comments on the subject, feel free to note them here. Thanks so much for your guidance and feedback, JSLV ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2014, 10:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/smashing-misinformation-with-a-hammer/60814/9 "2014-01-10T10:28:13Z")
> [@Pagodeiro](#): > > Both are not Beta-dienol … > > i have the stuff .. and it’s not the same .. > > neither P93 nor P96 !! > > there was a product by another vendor out there that contained P96 .. but sadly you can get it nowhere anymore .. > > I’m not going to tell you guys who made it . > > Pago Pago you have already told me 😉