# So I'm Just Wondering **URL:** \ **Category:** Pheromone Theory & Molecules\ **Created:** [July 22, 2009, 11:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-im-just-wondering/30921 "2009-07-22T23:42:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tfer15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfer15/32/711_2.png) [@tfer15](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfer15)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 11:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-im-just-wondering/30921/1 "2009-07-22T23:42:47Z")
yeah its tfer15. im just wondering this one thing. How does the target know that you are the one broadcasting the signal? whether it be a openness vibe, a comfortable vibe or any inbetween. so lets set up a situation to demonstrate. so i go on a casual lunch with my friend thats a guy and a girl. i can wear any [pheromone](https://a314.com/) in my collection. so lets say that i wear ammo and my friend doesnt. i usually wear two sprays to my neck, on in back and one on the front. we are sitting in a booth, all of us within 4 feet of each other. how does the target know that the ammo is mine? thanks ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 11:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-im-just-wondering/30921/2 "2009-07-22T23:46:36Z")
The same way you can walk into the kitchen and tell it’s the garbage can and not the sink that stinks. ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 1:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-im-just-wondering/30921/3 "2009-07-23T01:44:29Z")
MHarris talked about it here: > [@Others gaining benifits from your Pheros](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/others-gaining-benifits-from-your-pheros/1271): > > Well I must admit, I am totally sold on the use of Pheros. I’ve been amazed by the reactions from people I’ve been around while wearing them. Although my experience has been limited to A314, TUTH, and instant female magic, I do plan on expanding my horizons with other products. One thing I have been very curious about, is the fact that although I work in a fairly close enviroment with other men, the women I work with seem to unconsciously know that I am the one wearing the pheros. I seem to be t… OoohYahhh ---
**Author:** ![moonwhisper](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/moonwhisper/32/1735_2.png) [@moonwhisper](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/moonwhisper)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 5:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-im-just-wondering/30921/4 "2009-07-23T05:04:40Z")
MHarris knows a WHOLE lot more about this than I do, so read that. And in case you didn’t see it there, this is the answer that I gave you yesterday in another thread. > [@](#): > > It is a good question, and a lot of people have trouble with this one because we tend to think of scents as being nebulous, just hanging in the air without any obvious connection to a source. But let’s look at it a little differently. > > If you walked into a room and smelled BO, you’d be able to pinpoint which person it came from relatively quickly. It works that with with all scents, they form a cloud around, or follow in a trail behind whatever projected them. Sometimes people walk by you and after they pass you can smell their cologne. You might walk into a grocery you’ve never been to before, and can immediately tell which direction the bakery is because of the good smells coming from it. Doesn’t matter much if it’s a good smell or a bad one, when my baby toddles past I can quickly tell if he needs a new diaper, even if he’s not in my arms, and only just walks past me. > > Now, we think of pheros as a scent because they are carried out from you on the scent package that they came with. This is one of the reasons why Androtics doesn’t want to sell unscented pheros to new users. Unscented pheros will not diffuse well unless you give them something to ‘ride on.’ I believe the scent packages for the pheros they sell have been chosen primarily for their diffusion capabilities, secondarily for aesthetic reasons. You may not like neroli, for example, but it shoots those pheros out there better than a lot of other scents. > > Other people may sit/stand close enough to you to make the initial determination of where the scent came from difficult. But just like the BO, the bakery, whatever, people very quickly figure out where a scent came from, and the pheros are riding on that scent. There is virtually no question that they will identify the pheromone signature as yours and yours alone. I have never experienced anyone ‘stealing’ my pheros and reaping benefits from them. > > Quote: > moving away and coming back, in my opinion would not do anything because isnt her attraction switches flipped already? and wouldnt your “cloud” still be around her and in her nose/brain/receptors? > This is not a fair statement, because women are not machines. Once aroused or turned on we don’t just remain helplessly in that state, waiting for the next male body to fix it for us. If someone has become attracted to you and aroused by your pheros, she will not immediately project that feeling onto another guy just because you left the room. Unless she’s a complete ho, in which case you really don’t want her anyway. 🙄 > > Seriously, your signature is yours, just as your own natural body scent is yours. No one can steal it, borrow it, gain anything from it. I have seen men who were romantically ‘busy’ with someone actually turn their attention away from that woman and notice my pheros. I didn’t do anything to cause it other than be there. And those men were already paying attention to someone who had caught their interest and attracted them sexually. The difference was the pheromones, they projected a certain something that surpassed the sexuality of the moment, overrode it. If it hadn’t been obvious to the guy what the source was, he simply would have become more intent on the women he was already holding. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 6:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-im-just-wondering/30921/5 "2009-07-23T06:09:47Z")
This has been covered quite a bit and its a good question. Here is one of the threads > [@Question about pheros](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/question-about-pheros/20066): > > I had a question, but I am not sure how to phrase it. Here goes… If you are around other people while using pheros, how do people discern who is actually wearing the pheros? Example if I don’t make sense: A man and his friend walk into a club. Man A is wearing pheros and Man B is not. Some women nearby realize the pheros and approach them both. Will the women be able to tell who is actually wearing the pheros? > [@](#): > > Pheromones effect the subconscious mind by sending signals about ourselves to others. Its built in for us to be able to pinpoint where that message is coming from. Its part of the neuro sensory processing. Sometimes it happens instantly and sometimes it takes a few minutes but it happens. > > Our sense of smell works much like our other senses. > > Suppose you hear a scream, you can automatically pinpoint where it is coming from if the signal keeps coming > > Suppose you see a flash of light, again if it reoccurs you can pin point where its coming from without giving it much thought. > > Its something we have been doing since birth and while we dont really consciously think about it we automatically do it. > > There is one difference with synthetic pheromones though. If your acting totally in congruent to that signal your sending people may not pick up on it. Or the subconscious rules you out as the source of the signal and moves on. > > Congruency helps for people to pinpoint better. > > So say your wearing [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) which is a Alpha male mix. You need to take the lead like a Alpha would do. > > Or you wear [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) but look totally unapproachable and unfriendly. It just doesn’t match so they may have the urge to speak to you and be friendly but there other senses like sight kick in and tell them “cant be coming from him he looks mean” > > Remember its not a conscious thought, you just automatically react. Sillage is another way people react to mones. This means the “vapor trail” our body scent leaves. You could walk around a room and leave this vapor trail. Suppose you do this in a restaurant then go sit down at a table. People wont assume its a signal coming from another person who is standing in the same vicinity as the scent. While your conscious mind is busy thinking about what your gonna have as a appetizer the subconscious mind is processing all sorts of other things that we never even think about. Like reminding you to breath or making you walk etc etc. It also processes the environment around you. It all happens so very rapidly that it never becomes a conscious thought. You just do it. Same with mones. It never really becomes a conscious thought people just read the signal and narrow done the source. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![tfer15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfer15/32/711_2.png) [@tfer15](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfer15)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-im-just-wondering/30921/6 "2009-07-24T21:26:00Z")
so you are saying that anyone with the vno could identify one person in a whole room who has the [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) on, and the other men who do not have it. their brains automatically know who has it on, who is wearing it? ---
**Author:** ![xev](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xev/32/1993_2.png) [@xev](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xev)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 11:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-im-just-wondering/30921/7 "2009-07-24T23:27:15Z")
> [@tfer15](#): > > so you are saying that anyone with the vno slight tangent, but it is my understanding that it has not been conclusively demonstrated exactly from _where_ humans detect pheromones. The last time I researched it, there were conflicting and inconclusive studies addressing whether or not we have a functional vno. ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 11:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-im-just-wondering/30921/8 "2009-07-24T23:29:11Z")
> [@xev](#): > > … The last time I researched it, there were conflicting and inconclusive studies addressing whether or not we have a functional vno. James Kohl is absolutely convinced that the VNO is non-functional. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 12:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-im-just-wondering/30921/9 "2009-07-25T00:11:57Z")
> [@tfer15](#): > > so you are saying that anyone with the vno could identify one person in a whole room who has the pheromones on, and the other men who do not have it. > > their brains automatically know who has it on, who is wearing it? Well yes and no. First the VNO is debatable. Some scientists believe we have a direct pathway to the brain through the nasal cavity. I am not officially a scientist so I cant say for sure. This can get a little confusing and its been a long time since I explained it so bear with me. Pheromones work on a subconscious level. Mones are signalers. Girls will know where the signal is coming from but not that the signal is caused by synthetic mones. There are two parts of the mind that we think with. The conscious and the subconscious mind. Put simply the conscious mind is where thoughts we notice occur and the subconscious is where thoughts we don’t notice occur. For example every time you take a breath does your conscious mind think about it. No your subconscious mind directs your body to take each breath and it happens automatically. The mones work within the subconscious mind. People are not consciously aware of them on you but they react just like they breath without thinking about it. Now for the more complicated stuff LOL The conscious mind is where our sense of awareness is. Our ability to process the world around us. Rule over our mental facilities. Its where reason, judgement, logic and calculation come from. Its where we comprehend our emotions and learn. Its where memory’s are formed but not stored. The subconscious mind is the powerful part of the mind. Its a sending and receiving center of sorts. Just to name a few its where intuition, emotion, inspiration, suggestion, deduction, imagination, memory, organization and energy come from. Now both minds work in unison but you don’t notice thoughts from the subconscious mind unless the conscious mind pulls those thoughts to consciousness. For example, Breathing… I know you were not thinking about your breathing until I pulled it to the conscious mind. Now you notice your breathing and your conscious mind knows its air because you were taught about air. Pretty soon your conscious thought will take a different direction and you will stop being conscious of breathing again but your subconscious wont forget it and will continue to send those signals thus you will continue to breath. Now for mones, Suppose your in a room with a girl and you have them on. Her conscious mind only knows that it feels something caused by the environment and sends a message to the subconscious to deduct what it is. The subconscious deduces its emotion and determines its source (in this case the person who is sending the signal) and relays this back to the conscious mind. She is aware your causing a emotional response whether its attraction arousal happiness interest etc etc. She however doesn’t know that its mones that are triggering the response unless you make her conscious of them. This is where a lot of mone users run into trouble and why some people feel self effects and some don’t. Remember I mentioned above that the conscious mind is where we “Rule over our mental facilities” well once you make her aware your wearing them its easy for her to “rule” her conscious mind to not respond to them. But just like with the little breathing example I gave you before the conscious mind will quickly move on and her subconscious will still be processing those emotions and pinpointing them without her noticing it and she will in turn respond to those emotions. So while the mind will pinpoint with its senses where or who the signal is coming from it wont determine that you are wearing synthetic mones only that your signaling pheromonally and unless she has a knowledge or mones like we all have a knowledge of air that thought will not be pulled out of the subconscious. I know its confusing but it really is a fascinating subject. Once people learn to rule there subconscious minds the possibilities are limitless. It is where all human energy, success and power comes from. Not that this has anything to do with mones because they are by no means magick but I am a witch and on a side note the subconscious is where all magick comes from you just have to be conscious of how to manipulate it. 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 9:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-im-just-wondering/30921/10 "2009-07-25T09:58:15Z")
Personally, I think the Trace Amine Associated Receptors (TAARs) are a more likely candidate for pheromone targeting. We know that we, humans have conserved functional genes for 6-9 of these (depending on who you talk to) and that they express in the olfactory canal. This is all pretty new science, (only a year or so old) and they are still going down the list of possible ligands for these receptors. But it looks very, very promising. TAARs in the animal kingdom number in the hundreds. Some of those identified and fully characterized are pheromone receptors. The only thing that is really holding up the research is the formerly rigid belief in the scientific community (that is beginning to be eroded) that humans can not detect pheromones. [http://vosshall.rockefeller.edu/reprints/KellerVosshallCONB08.pdf](http://vosshall.rockefeller.edu/reprints/KellerVosshallCONB08.pdf) Back to the VNO… I can’t look it up right now because I’m really, really tired. (Hint, hint.) But I have read recently that even though the VNO looks non-functional it is carrying some kind of signal and is active. What does that all mean in terms of pheromones? I don’t know. I just thought it was interesting piece of information, that puts the VNO back into play as a possible pheromone target. Diane ---
**Author:** ![xev](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xev/32/1993_2.png) [@xev](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xev)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 12:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-im-just-wondering/30921/11 "2009-07-25T12:41:09Z")
Great info, Diane, thanks! I am going to read that article. ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-im-just-wondering/30921/12 "2009-07-27T21:12:39Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > Personally, I think the Trace Amine Associated Receptors (TAARs) are a more likely candidate for pheromone targeting I think I’ll stick with [cranial nerve 0](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cranial_nerve_zero) (that’s the number 0 not the letter) Google it and you’ll find some interesting articles on it. ---
**Author:** ![tfer15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfer15/32/711_2.png) [@tfer15](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfer15)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2009, 4:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-im-just-wondering/30921/13 "2009-08-01T04:15:28Z")
tisha, so your sayin your a mental witch?! ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2009, 6:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-im-just-wondering/30921/14 "2009-08-01T06:51:02Z")
> [@tfer15](#): > > tisha, so your sayin your a mental witch?! I guess you could call it that if you wanted lol but I am a blood witch, this just means its runs in my family. My grandmother and her mother and her mothers mother were all witches. It go’s back farther but we have no written record of it past my great grandmother and grandfather , I suppose its because they used to burn witches so they kept such information secret. All witchcraft is mental as well as spiritual though, it takes a lot of learning to tap into and manipulate energy in yourself and in your environment. Before you ask though, no I do not practice the dark arts. Tisha