# So it's been a few months... **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 20, 2009, 11:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-its-been-a-few-months/31733 "2009-08-20T11:24:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PureV8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/cdc98d/32.png) [@PureV8](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PureV8)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 11:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-its-been-a-few-months/31733/1 "2009-08-20T11:24:05Z")
So it’s been a few months since I’ve started using [pheromones](https://a314.com/). I ordered a bottle of IS, IH, Ammo, and got a free small tester of TUTH (which I haven’t yet used). I’ve been using one spray each of all 3 almost everyday and so far can say that I haven’t really noticed much of anything at all. There has been once or twice that a lady behind the counter of a coffee shop or something would spark up an energetic conversation but thats about it… and I can’t say for sure if it’s it’s pheromones working. I was wondering if anyone had any tips on what I could do/try differently? Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 11:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-its-been-a-few-months/31733/2 "2009-08-20T11:41:56Z")
> [@PureV8](#): > > I’ve been using one spray each of all 3 almost everyday and so far can say that I haven’t really noticed much of anything at all. I’m not surprised you haven’t seen much of a result. 1 spray is a tiny dose, most people use 3-4 sprays. You haven’t found your “sweet spot” I’d recommend you have a read through the stickies to get an idea of how & where to apply the phero’s for the best results 🙂 > [@](#): > > " **Finding your sweet spot or dosage.** > > Always start with one product at a time. You want to see exactly what effect you get from it and how much your dosage range is. This will make layering easier later. > > Day 1… Try one spray, note any self effects, go out, look for behavior changes in others and direct hits. > > Day 2 … Use two sprays, note self effect, go out, do the same look for behavoir changes and hits. > > Day 3… if you still have not seen anything go to three sprays and repeat the process. I you did begn to see some effects still use the 3 sprays to see if increasing can make hits more pronounced. > > Day 4 … Still more testing with the same product, Now you are testing application points. We are all built different and diffuse differently from our bodies. > > Hair, Back of neck, Neck, Pulse points, chest, stomach, wrists, forearms. > > In colder months if you covered up. Back of hands. Cloths if absolutly necessary. [Mones](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/) dont diffuse well from cloth though. > > This whole process should take about a week or a little under. Then move to the next product. > > After you tested each on its own you can make combos by layering the products. " ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 12:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-its-been-a-few-months/31733/3 "2009-08-20T12:29:25Z")
> [@PureV8](#): > > So it’s been a few months since I’ve started using pheromones. I ordered a bottle of IS, IH, Ammo, and got a free small tester of TUTH (which I haven’t yet used). > > I’ve been using one spray each of all 3 almost everyday and so far can say that I haven’t really noticed much of anything at all. There has been once or twice that a lady behind the counter of a coffee shop or something would spark up an energetic conversation but thats about it… and I can’t say for sure if it’s it’s pheromones working. > > I was wondering if anyone had any tips on what I could do/try differently? > > Thanks It’s like painting. While these are very mixable once you have enough knowledge, you should probably get to know each color on it’s own, before mixing them. Some won’t make good mixes at all. Here’s a few key things to keep in mind: –\> The active molecules in Instant Shine tend to make healthy people feel elated, and sometimes reduce physical distance. Coffee shops can be good friendly, places, but as caffeine overlaps with some of the biochemical action that Shine seems to elicit. Therefore, I don’t know if it’s an ideal context for this. I’d say Shine is better almost anywhere else. A good, low caffeine environ. –\> [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) increases human rapport. Good for making friends. Some people show unusual candor when exposed, but as person who spends a lot of time “tinkering”, I view the ability to make friends rapidly (and rapidly deepen previously extant relationships) as ideal. People like me don’t have the social exposure time some do, since my time is often invested buried in rather obscure developmental work. I tend to notice any _social augmentation_ very easily, since I’m likely to go into a social situation, or even a bar, and tell people about the X I developed and am overly interested in. Except for “nerds”, these are things nobody really cares about in those types of in truly social contexts. 🙂 (in truly social contexts, focus is almost always more on _people_ moreso than it is their actual work or interests; “Oh, there’s Bob Villa. I love Bob! I just hope he doesn’t tell me about the erudite secrets quarter penny nails again”) Anyway, I’d wear this one anytime you want to make new friends and/or bond with current friends more deeply. I’ve also noticed it’s particularly easy to establish yourself in a new city with this product, and with variations. Something that can be very hard for a lot of people becomes very easy with IH. –\> Ammo v1.x are all sort of “classical” pheromone based mixes. A lot of people like these, but it’s not really for me. While I can see how it generates attraction in certain contexts, it’d be better if others commented. For outright attraction cues, I much prefer newer mix strategies like the ones seen in MX252 and MX292. Ammo v2.x is being re-engineered carefully to be a more social oriented tool, and if you’re not happy with Ammo v1.x, we’ll gladly exchange your old one for the new one. –\> TUTH is more of an almost classical “pheromone” product. I say “classical”, because it’s only recently that people (almost all of them from this forum) understand that pheromones for humans are mostly social in nature, because humans are mostly social in nature. Unlike most products though, that were designed to be used out “in the open” like some sort of human fishing lure, it was designed to be used in proper contexts where it makes more a specific difference. i.e., this particular product works best with proper timing and context. For this one, that means a “second base” type product to help move you to other ones… or as enhancer while being “in the act”. To take “the heat” and literally “turn it up” Lastly, if you were expecting pheromones to be _mostly_ sexual in nature, that could be an issue, too. Your expectations could be getting in the way of what the molecules actually do. You can’t, for instance, use Instant Honesty and expect someone to “jump your bones”. It’s just not going to happen. If you’d like, call in and get a free sample of MX292 if you’d like to see something more typical of how pheromones are typically advertised and portrayed in movies. That what’ll make women nervous around you, stroke their hair, trip over their words and feet, etc. It’s not exactly what you’ll see in Oceans 13, but it’s pretty good compared to most. Some say it (and some other modern mixes) are the closest thing yet to the “pheromone fantasy” portrayed in media. If you’re assertive whatsoever, you can certainly do a lot with the resultant effect. ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 1:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-its-been-a-few-months/31733/4 "2009-08-20T13:43:11Z")
> [@](#): > > That what’ll make women nervous around you, stroke their hair, trip over their words and feet, etc This is what Ammo - consistently - does for me. MX292 also, although it differs in that it hits harder when it hits, but the hits don’t come as often and consistent for me as they do with Ammo. I like to have both in my arsenal – they’re both great. MX302 is proving to fit somewhere in the middle ground between the two and is quickly becoming a favourite of mine that I had previously overlooked (due to a bad OD first time round – but that was all my fault anyway) MX292 is the big gun that I bring out every now and then – too much, too often is not a good thing, MX292 is best used around the same people at most once a week in my opinion. The same can be said for MX302. Ammo on the other hand is the work horse, the one that can always be relied on and never gets old. It isn’t as over the top as other attraction mixes and therefore doesn’t seem as overwhelming and overbearing to those exposed often – I’d hate for it not to always be available. For me Ammo is the one mix that creates consistent, baseline attraction, the other mixes mentioned I use sparingly to spike that attraction to new, crazy heights – they create a lot of feelings and emotions that are simply too much of a roller-coaster ride if used daily or every other day. Michael, you mentioned that there is a v2.x of Ammo in the pipeline – this is great and everything (One can never have enough mixes) and you never know, I may like it even more than the original but please, please don’t male v1.x obsolete. Loosing [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) was bad enough but to lose Ammo would be tragedy – I know I sound dramatic haha but I just LOVE that product. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 2:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-its-been-a-few-months/31733/5 "2009-08-20T14:53:48Z")
> [@WildFlower](#): > > This is what Ammo - consistently - does for me. MX292 also, although it differs in that it hits harder when it hits, but the hits don’t come as often and consistent for me as they do with Ammo. I like to have both in my arsenal – they’re both great. MX302 is proving to fit somewhere in the middle ground between the two and is quickly becoming a favourite of mine that I had previously overlooked (due to a bad OD first time round – but that was all my fault anyway) It’s just part of a new mix methodology. i.e., actually using what we learned in the old androstenone tests, as well as combining it some new tech. MX292 wasn’t supposed to work as well as it did for most people, btw. It was a “PheroBomb” mix. It was just supposed to be a “proof of concept” type product, that would hit men over the hit with _obvious_, but unstable results (and what’s more obvious than instability?) Something to get their feet wet, prove pheromones work, but not be used very often after that point, if at all. Sort of like a how you enjoy a McDonald’s hamburger, before your palette is developed enough able to enjoy a rib eye. “Fireworks” that draw the eye, but aren’t exactly practical on a daily basis. In any case, the experiment backfired in terms of the intended application, but with good results for different apps entirely. We’re slowly but surely getting to the point where we can deliver a more of the “fantasy” type uses of pheromones that you’ve typically seen in movies, or on the fraud websites. I don’t think we’ll ever have women falling out of trees or anything quite that dramatic, but there’s much you can do with actual positive attention. > [@](#): > > MX292 is the big gun that I bring out every now and then – too much, too often is not a good thing, MX292 is best used around the same people at most once a week in my opinion. The same can be said for MX302. Ammo on the other hand is the work horse, the one that can always be relied on and never gets old. It isn’t as over the top as other attraction mixes and therefore doesn’t seem as overwhelming and overbearing to those exposed often – I’d hate for it not to always be available. For me Ammo is the one mix that creates consistent, baseline attraction, the other mixes mentioned I use sparingly to spike that attraction to new, crazy heights – they create a lot of feelings and emotions that are simply too much of a roller-coaster ride if used daily or every other day. Wow, very good, very good. You have fantastic perception! What you’re getting with Ammo 1.x was what I often have as my design goal for a good daily wear product. No fireworks, per se, but something good and usable as a solid tool. Almost like what Panasonic Toughbook is to the laptop world. 🙂 Mind you, we can rework our new learnings in an even more effective “Ammo 1.x”. That’s not out of the question. Again, I very much like mixes I can easily use on a daily basis, too. I didn’t mean to imply that MX292 itself in any way replaces a good daily mix, but rather that the new mix methodology does have some advancements that are useful for people looking for a product that more closely matches what they see in movies like Oceans 13. Normal Ammo won’t do that, but MX292 and later mixes sometimes can get awfully darn close. Now as for the original design goal of Ammo… which is to be an easy to use, all around “attractive” product. Ammo 1.x as it now stands misses the mark for me a little bit, since I often have to add other products to it to get the right result. While most of our products are made to work together, yes, that wasn’t the design goal with Ammo. Ammo I wanted to be more “all in one”. Not everything to all people, mind you, but you know… very, very easy to use. Sort of like “The Mac” of the pheromone world. A good “out of the box” experience that most people can understand. Something they can start using and enjoy right away. Therein lies the rub, btw. Most people off the street aren’t socially aware from the getgo to know what’s going on without studying body language, or participating in forums like. Actual social awareness and social skills were never taught in most people’s schools. We obviously have to make educational products to go along with what I want Ammo to eventually be. This is a great opportunity, however, in that we can help teach people to be sort of princely. Most social education out there seems to revolve around teaching people how to be, well… “douchebags”. There’s a lot of good “PUA” material, but much of it is still rather primitive. It’s a good step, perhaps, for a nerd who’s used to taking a supplicant role, but it’s ultimately not good for the world if you were to become stuck in one of the roles these systems teach. With better training, we create better social results than that. Things that are more sound for both the individual, for the people they interact, and ultimately for society itself. I’ve changed the definition of what I want Ammo 2.0 to be, btw .I want it to be first and foremost social, and no more sexier or attractive than we can make it without creating “negative fallout”. As you know, heavy androstenone products can have negative fallout for both yourself and people around you. If a product like that ever became popular, we’d basically be creating what I deem as “emotional pollution”. When I have so many great social molecules available, I think I can do something better than that. I think I can both make the wearer very happy with what they get on an individual basis, give them enough social training to make them more effective in life (and others happy with them), and also create enough of a “social aura” around them with upbeat, feel good molecules, so that “innocent bystanders” benefit, too. The idea behind Ammo 2.0 has basically been to have something sort of like “positive schrapnel”. You know how schrapnel is normally not any fun? Well, what if it could be? Sounds silly, maybe, but this always works. You can almost always take the structure of anything negative, retool it a bit, and have it become a benefit to people. Sort of like how some gun owners really love going to the range. It’s a sport to them, often a social one. And yeah, should something awful happen, they have a good means of protecting themselves, too. This is totally unlike how someone with bad intent might use the very same tool. Some people here have used androstadienonone to depress men, instead of elating women. That’s a horrible thing if I ever heard of one. On the other hand, Pherin Pharmaceuticals ([Pherin.com](http://Pherin.com)) is making an anti-PMS spray with the very same molecule, the world’s first prescription [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/). You can run over your grandma with the car, or you can drive somewhere useful, too. It’s all in how you view things, and how you structure them. We can take a cheeky look at violent concepts men seem to like with things like Ammo, machine guns, bombs, etc., and turn them around… use them as a force for good. Make things more fun and enjoyable for all. > [@](#): > > Michael, you mentioned that there is a v2.x of Ammo in the pipeline – this is great and everything (One can never have enough mixes) and you never know, I may like it even more than the original but please, please don’t male v1.x obsolete. Loosing Instant Female Magic was bad enough but to lose Ammo would be tragedy – I know I sound dramatic haha but I just LOVE that product. Well, it won’t be discontinued for “reporters” (or what I like to colloquially call “pheromone detectives”). I’ve written about that before in regards to Ammo 1.x, because I know a lot of people like the simplicity of the formula. Most of the products you see here now, will, however not be continued in a “commercial” sense. This project is being broken off into (as things stand now, anyway) at least 2 parts. First, a non-profit organization for pheromone and scent research (much like [Monell Chemical Senses Center](http://www.monell.org/)), where you’ll still be able to participate in research, and also be able to get older mixes (as long as you’ve been a “reporter”, i.e., a participant in the research aspect of things here). Second, it will be broken a commercial project (or projects) where the intent is to reduce loneliness and increase the adventure quotient of the average person. i.e., a “business as a positive instigator of social change” type org. “Business with a purpose” Call them “B Corps” ([http://www.bcorporation.net/](http://www.bcorporation.net/)), if you will, although I’ve always done business like this. I’ve never solely had a money motive, cuz I just don’t know what to do with the stuff other than make new and better things. 🙂 Besides, what else are you supposed to do? I’ve never understood those men who make businesses that pollute the world, and then invest their earnings from that into charities. Why not create businesses where the actual impact of the products themselves is wholly positive and beneficial? Seems obvious to me, yet this seems to elude much of the business community. To me, “charity starts at home”. Be as good as you can to your own partners and customers first and foremost, before you start giving money away to distant charities that might not even benefit the world, anyway. (really take a hard look at “charities” like Unicef – it’s not all roses) Bill Gates is rapidly giving away his money to good causes, sure (and he has immaculate taste in charity, btw), but Microsoft sure as hell is hostile to their clients with their war-like approach to daily business. Why? Why treat the people who fund your very existence so goddamn poorly?? That’s like using blood money to buy daisies. It’s weird! Look at the counterpoint. Sir Richard Branson also gives money away like Bill does, too, but most of his businesses are _amazing_. You buy from him, and you’re lucky. He replaced custom $200M seats in his new airline before the thing even took off for the first time, just to make sure he was treating people right from the getgo. Now that’s a kind boyscout if I ever met one. Anyway, so as long as everything goes as planned, the sort of uncomfortable hybrid of both consumer sales and research that you see now will be gone. There’ll be an area for consumers, where sex effects hopefully won’t take an sort of center role, and a store and discussion area for those involved in the R&D… where you can indulge in any application that interests you. Basically, the idea is to use mainly social mones to help make a difference in the world. Whereas, at the nonprof, we’ll continue the research in a very similar way as to how we’ve done it here, only a little more officially. Nonprofs do have stores, btw, and again, we’ll keep key “golden oldies” available to the folks here who helped give us feedback. I want to make sure those who have contributed useful feedback are treated very well indeed. ---
**Author:** ![msb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6a8cbe/32.png) [@msb](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msb)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 3:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-its-been-a-few-months/31733/6 "2009-08-20T15:47:28Z")
Microsoft has become too comfortable with their market monopoly over the years. Monopolies try to maximize profit by charging the highest prices that people will purchase their stuff for, customer service never crosses their mind. But as apple is increasing their marketshare in the personal computer industry and google and facebook still control the internet microsoft needs to change their attitude or their future wont be pretty. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-its-been-a-few-months/31733/7 "2009-08-20T16:59:39Z")
> [@msb](#): > > Microsoft has become too comfortable with their market monopoly over the years. Monopolies try to maximize profit by charging the highest prices that people will purchase their stuff for, customer service never crosses their mind. But as apple is increasing their marketshare in the personal computer industry and google and facebook still control the internet microsoft needs to change their attitude or their future wont be pretty. Very good points. You know, it’s also their operating metaphor. (reference “Metaphors We Live By” by [George Lakoff](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lakoff)) [Metaphors We Live By, Lakoff and Johnson](http://theliterarylink.com/metaphors.html) They’re a needlessly warring company on a conceptual level. Predation is apparently their unwritten, but operating mission. Seriously, break down Steve Baller’s words, exactly as [Noam Chomsky](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky) would. Really understand what he’s saying, and the assumptions he’s making both about the “marketplace” and ultimately about the world. It’s not pretty. When you have _that_ much hostility, then you have more than enough to even be irrationally hostile to your best customers, your partners, and even your fans. I think Gates and Ballmer were O.K. together. Perhaps good counterpoint, since they were so very different. Ying and yang, to an extent. However, now that Microsoft lopsided with what is basically just an out of touch, overly aggressive warmonger, I think their future is pretty much sealed. The future does not have room for companies that operate like this. They’re far too predatory, without actually making contributions in the way of actual value and innovation. It’s an increasingly antiquated way to do business. It has been outmoded with superior models that are forming a better value proposition for everyone involved. Macs may be “expensive” on the surface, but you know, for not much than a new Windows 7 Ultimate license ($319), you can get a refurb Mac Mini for $499 with an OS that’s maybe 8 years ahead of it’s time. Except for gaming, who’s has the value position now? Apple is basically there, competing against itself. Competing against it’s own last innovation. The Nvidia vs. ATI “battle” is something I view as much more generative for the market. Year in, year out, you can always get a video card that’s twice as good this year, for half the price. Within 10 years, we might not know if the person on the other video chat is real. (looks wise, anyway) ---
**Author:** ![SoulCreator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/soulcreator/32/236_2.png) [@SoulCreator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SoulCreator)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 11:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-its-been-a-few-months/31733/8 "2009-08-20T23:35:40Z")
OOOH [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) 2.0! That sounds exciting! MHarris do you have any idea how long we’d have to wait before such a thing becomes available? ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 1:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-its-been-a-few-months/31733/9 "2009-08-22T01:44:33Z")
> [@SoulCreator](#): > > OOOH Ammo 2.0! That sounds exciting! MHarris do you have any idea how long we’d have to wait before such a thing becomes available? Well, I put out a test pack a long time ago, I think a little more than a year now? The staff at the time didn’t promote it very much for some reason, and we really missed a key window that closed when the recission hit and messed everything up. While I don’t mind a slow trickle of feedback on individual molecules, I like working on mixes in concentrated bursts. I always like putting my all into a single project, one at a time. With that working method, it’s tough to get feedback slowly over a year on just a small _part_ of a mix, just a part of project I want done _yesterday_. Now that I have new fragrances that seem like a good match for the Ammo 2.0 project, I’ll put out test pack another shortly. I hope this time around it goes out this time with more forum and staff support. Hey, maybe if it gets you exicted, it’ll get others excited, too? 🙂 I’ll give you more background info, in case it helps. I might not have been clear enough about the benefits of my Ammo 2.0 goal last year. I’ll try to fix that now. Basically, the engineering goal behind Ammo 2.0 is one of the toughest tasks I’ve yet taken on. I’m trying to design everything beneficial I can into it, minus repercussions that you’d have from high -none mixes. I’m even intentionally designing how the “stolen hit” and other “side effects” work. I want to make you, the wearer, basically into one of those “brights lights”. One of those feel good people everyone likes being around… but with a “dash of sexy”, so you’re not just viewed as a clown. I’m basically looking for another A314 here, but not serious and commanding like A314 is. Not really a workplace mix, but more of an every life mix meant to add a little more luster to your world. You could say it could be day wear for the young and fun crowd, and anybody who wants to be young and fun again. Pepsi vs. Coke (Pepsi being “the choice of a new generation” as opposed to the old values of Coca-Cola). Something good that’ll not just benefit you directly, but add increase the positive psychological valence of all that it touches. There are certain molecules alone that almost achieve this effect. P74 and P90 are miraculously charismatic molecules. If I was to put out single molecule products, these would be good candidates. However, I wanted to achieve a little more than what a single molecule can do alone. Of course, when you start mixing everything together, even when things seem like they “should work together”, you don’t always get the planned for (or hoped for) synergy. There’s almost always complex interactions we couldn’t have anticipated. Things that never would’ve reared their heads with testing. Basically, things get drastically complex in mixes that contain more than 2 or 3 molecules. In fact, an old biochemist friend from BASF tells me that almost any chemical product with more than 3 components starts getting unpredictably complex. To a degree, a bit of good luck is required when creating something more involved. As for the intended “vibe” of Ammo 2.0. Well, let me give you some examples. Think about Chris Isaac. He was once viewed as sexy when he was dark, serious and brooding with the song “wicked Game”, but what happened after he starred in his own very unsexy sitcom? Most women I talk to that at that very moment, he lost his sexy edge. While many people in rock bands have good personalities, and are funny, Isaac was apparently a little too goofy. People that manage to pull of being social, fun and sexy, but not so sexy they’re not fun or social anymore are. While these people are valued members of any social circle, they’re also hard to come by. That probably has something to do with why it’s not the easiest effect to create in the phero realm. There’s something about this particular social aura that while valued, is rare. At least when we get close to it here, it should be highly reproducible. The end result, if we get to it, should be worth reproducing. I’m shooting for a little bit of charm school, mixed with the good feelings of surfer zen, mixed with a bit of fun and sexy rock n’ roll, all in one bottle. 🙂 Something that I think a lot of us valued for at least a couple years during our schools days, and really wouldn’t mind again. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-its-been-a-few-months/31733/10 "2009-08-22T19:07:31Z")
POW! My way of subscribing, 'cause the Big Dog said it! 😉 Hope everyone read it, and took notes. ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-its-been-a-few-months/31733/11 "2009-08-23T16:38:46Z")
Michael, I think it’s amazing that you take the time to reply to posts here on the forum. So thorough as well. So much so I don’t really know where to start with a reply, as you cover so much ground. I always learn a lot reading your posts (and I often find I head right over to Amazon to check a recommended book out). Thank you for replying. > [@](#): > > Now as for the original design goal of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) … which is to be an easy to use, all around “attractive” product. [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) 1.x as it now stands misses the mark for me a little bit, since I often have to add other products to it to get the right result. > > While most of our products are made to work together, yes, that wasn’t the design goal with Ammo ([AMMO – Sexual Attraction Pheromone Cologne For Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)) . [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) I wanted to be more “all in one”. Not everything to all people, mind you, but you know… very, very easy to use. I think Ammo is a great standalone product, but I agree that it can be far more effective when used in conjunction with other products. In fact, one of the things I love most about Ammo is that it fits and meshes so well with the vast majority of other products or molecules here. Any additional Androsterone used seems to kill the sexy, Ammo vibe right of. And anything more than 10mcg of p74 doesn’t work well either, but other than those two everything else seems to go well with Ammo. I find that it is always the centre piece of any combo its part of and other products added are used to help Ammo, not the other way round. > [@](#): > > Well, it won’t be discontinued for “reporters” (or what I like to colloquially call “pheromone detectives”). I’ve written about that before in regards to Ammo 1.x, because I know a lot of people like the simplicity of the formula. Most of the products you see here now, will, however not be continued in a “commercial” sense. This project is being broken off into (as things stand now, anyway) at least 2 parts. > > First, a non-profit organization for pheromone and scent research (much like Monell Chemical Senses Center ([http://www.monell.org/](http://www.monell.org/))), where you’ll still be able to participate in research, and also be able to get older mixes (as long as you’ve been a “reporter”, i.e., a participant in the research aspect of things here). > > Second, it will be broken a commercial project (or projects) where the intent is to reduce loneliness and increase the adventure quotient of the average person. i.e., a “business as a positive instigator of social change” type org. “Business with a purpose” Whilst I also like innovation, I don’t like change. Does that make sense haha? I’m excited to watch how the world of pheromones will evolve commercially, but I’m also very relived Ammo will still be here for us. I love the products from SmartMones, and I love the community here on the Forum - I’d hate to see that change too much. > [@](#): > > There are certain molecules alone that almost achieve this effect. P74 and P90 are miraculously charismatic molecules. If I was to put out single molecule products, these would be good candidates. I haven’t tried p90, but you’ve just tempted me. p74 I have tried and I agree it is very charismatic and cool. What do you think of p78? I’m playing around with that one a lot at the moment and find it to be like p74’s older, better brother - much like I find p94 to be TAA’s big brother. I’d definitely say that p78 would make a great single molecule product. Funnily enough, I find it has a lot of the social-shrapnel like qualities you were describing. (I shouldn’t really have referred to p78 and p94 as ‘brotherly’ as they do feel slightly feminine - but not in a fixed, rigid way that they don’t ‘work’ when worn by a male)