# So I've got this girl in the bag... **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 16, 2011, 2:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-ive-got-this-girl-in-the-bag/49369 "2011-03-16T02:58:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dr\_Phail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Dr\_Phail](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dr_Phail)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 2:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-ive-got-this-girl-in-the-bag/49369/1 "2011-03-16T02:58:31Z")
She’s already told me she would do me. Problem is first time she did it I was driving a car. Second time, yesterday, I had poison ivy from clearing out brush and stuff, and she said, “I would be like, right here, right now, but you’ve got poison ivy and I’m deathly allergic to it”. Damn. Cockblocked by poison ivy. Oh well. The combination I met her with was 4x IO, 20mcg P83, 4x IS, 1x [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). I have since then changed to 1x Ammo, 4x IS, and maybe 20mcg P83 if I’m going to her house. Since I seriously KNOW I have this one, it probably wouldn’t scare her too much if I put on 2x Ammo, right? Or could I just use TUTH to better effect? ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 3:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-ive-got-this-girl-in-the-bag/49369/2 "2011-03-16T03:21:24Z")
Honestly at this point, as aggressive as she seems to be, I don’t think TuTH would hurt…I also don’t think it’d be necessary. ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 5:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-ive-got-this-girl-in-the-bag/49369/3 "2011-03-16T05:50:30Z")
Yeah, i mean…i was in a similar situation…i mean it was CLEAR she wanted me…so I used two sprays of TUTH…and WHAM…BHAM…thank you. No sweat…well a lotta sweat. but no sweat;P ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Phail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Dr\_Phail](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dr_Phail)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 12:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-ive-got-this-girl-in-the-bag/49369/4 "2011-03-16T12:15:52Z")
She seems to like the fact I’m not obsessed with sex though. Which, in turn has gotten me farther with this girl than I would if I had pushed for sex the whole time. I dunno though. I’ll try TUTH and see if it works as planned 😃 ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 12:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-ive-got-this-girl-in-the-bag/49369/5 "2011-03-16T12:40:05Z")
A little tip regarding TuTH that I’ve found. It seems to be potentially vague. By that I mean that when I use TuTH it creates an overall atmosphere of sexual tension, now usually that communicates to the female getting a feeling that YOU are very aroused and she feels the sexual tension coming off of you. However, and this is more difficult than it sounds, but if you play it cool and act A.)borderline indifferent, and B.) as if you sense an almost desperate level of sexual desire coming from her…giving little to no indication of your own desire (this means no checking out her rack or anything like that) then it’s like her brain “realizes” that SHE’s the horny one. Once she adopts this frame she’s likely to be more forward, actually physically initiating rather than merely telling you that she’s willing. This is not easy, she catches you sizing her up, licking your lips or staring at her a second too long and she’ll assume the sexual tension is coming from you. Now with this particular girl I don’t think that would ruin anything, it seems she expects that but it’s kinda fun to see if you can confuse the girl into thinking that she wants you more than you want her. ---
**Author:** ![Rizingfire](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rizingfire/32/1733_2.png) [@Rizingfire](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rizingfire)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 2:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-ive-got-this-girl-in-the-bag/49369/6 "2011-03-16T14:27:36Z")
Radman you really are a genius in your own right…that is amazing advice…so I guess the [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) worked pretty well for the “velcro effect” I am contemplating trying a lil when I go talk to my ex just to see if there is any reaction but idk yet, i’m conflicted. Prob gonna use my standard mix for the 1st time (1 shot A314, IO, IS and 2 sprays of Heavy ammo) and then maybe the next time try the P83 cuz the way things are progressing I may not need anything to get her in velcro mode. ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 3:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-ive-got-this-girl-in-the-bag/49369/7 "2011-03-16T15:15:34Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > A little tip regarding TuTH that I’ve found. It seems to be potentially vague. By that I mean that when I use TuTH it creates an overall atmosphere of sexual tension, now usually that communicates to the female getting a feeling that YOU are very aroused and she feels the sexual tension coming off of you. However, and this is more difficult than it sounds, but if you play it cool and act A.)borderline indifferent, and B.) as if you sense an almost desperate level of sexual desire coming from her…giving little to no indication of your own desire (this means no checking out her rack or anything like that) then it’s like her brain “realizes” that SHE’s the horny one. Once she adopts this frame she’s likely to be more forward, actually physically initiating rather than merely telling you that she’s willing. This is not easy, she catches you sizing her up, licking your lips or staring at her a second too long and she’ll assume the sexual tension is coming from you. Now with this particular girl I don’t think that would ruin anything, it seems she expects that but it’s kinda fun to see if you can confuse the girl into thinking that she wants you more than you want her. hmm… never thought of doing that. This was my premise for testing IS/A in the beginning. I thought that by wearing it along with heavy masculine mones I could project the IS/A signal onto them. That worked well, except for the fact that I don’t want my wife to be the IS/A girl unless it’s strictly during sex. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 7:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-ive-got-this-girl-in-the-bag/49369/8 "2011-03-16T19:49:02Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > A little tip regarding TuTH that I’ve found. It seems to be potentially vague. By that I mean that when I use TuTH it creates an overall atmosphere of sexual tension, now usually that communicates to the female getting a feeling that YOU are very aroused and she feels the sexual tension coming off of you. However, and this is more difficult than it sounds, but if you play it cool and act A.)borderline indifferent, and B.) as if you sense an almost desperate level of sexual desire coming from her…giving little to no indication of your own desire (this means no checking out her rack or anything like that) then it’s like her brain “realizes” that SHE’s the horny one. Once she adopts this frame she’s likely to be more forward, actually physically initiating rather than merely telling you that she’s willing. This is not easy, she catches you sizing her up, licking your lips or staring at her a second too long and she’ll assume the sexual tension is coming from you. Now with this particular girl I don’t think that would ruin anything, it seems she expects that but it’s kinda fun to see if you can confuse the girl into thinking that she wants you more than you want her. RADMAN is dead on balls accurate again. Yup that’s why I consider him my PUA mentor. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 7:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-ive-got-this-girl-in-the-bag/49369/9 "2011-03-16T19:56:12Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > A little tip regarding TuTH that I’ve found. It seems to be potentially vague. By that I mean that when I use TuTH it creates an overall atmosphere of sexual tension, now usually that communicates to the female getting a feeling that YOU are very aroused and she feels the sexual tension coming off of you. However, and this is more difficult than it sounds, but if you play it cool and act A.)borderline indifferent, and B.) as if you sense an almost desperate level of sexual desire coming from her…giving little to no indication of your own desire (this means no checking out her rack or anything like that) then it’s like her brain “realizes” that SHE’s the horny one. Once she adopts this frame she’s likely to be more forward, actually physically initiating rather than merely telling you that she’s willing. This is not easy, she catches you sizing her up, licking your lips or staring at her a second too long and she’ll assume the sexual tension is coming from you. Now with this particular girl I don’t think that would ruin anything, it seems she expects that but it’s kinda fun to see if you can confuse the girl into thinking that she wants you more than you want her. You are the frigging man. ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 8:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-ive-got-this-girl-in-the-bag/49369/10 "2011-03-16T20:04:22Z")
I’d hate to be eveyones devils advocate, I definitly agree with what radman says stratigy wise. But one thing you havn’t tested which is important at younger ages is if she positively reacts to higher amounts of none. Maybe a little did the trick but judging from your first mix it looks like she really likes the socials, maybe thats what helped you connect. Just food for thought 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 8:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-ive-got-this-girl-in-the-bag/49369/11 "2011-03-16T20:08:29Z")
> [@TwistedOstrich](#): > > I’d hate to be eveyones devils advocate, I definitly agree with what radman says stratigy wise. But one thing you havn’t tested which is important at younger ages is if she positively reacts to higher amounts of none. Maybe a little did the trick but judging from your first mix it looks like she really likes the socials, maybe thats what helped you connect. Just food for thought 😉 Yes on that note I wouldn’t change what worked. Its kind of silly if you think about it really to even be considering something else when its worked so well to begin with. If you have to change it up, just to me personally, but it doesn’t sound like nothing is in the bag 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 4:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-ive-got-this-girl-in-the-bag/49369/12 "2011-03-17T04:11:04Z")
> [@TwistedOstrich](#): > > I’d hate to be eveyones devils advocate, I definitly agree with what radman says stratigy wise. But one thing you havn’t tested which is important at younger ages is if she positively reacts to higher amounts of none. Maybe a little did the trick but judging from your first mix it looks like she really likes the socials, maybe thats what helped you connect. Just food for thought 😉 This is normally a valid point but what we have to consider is context. See the girl said she would do him…now that’s him paraphrasing, not quoting so the context of the statement gives us an indicator of how likely she is to respond to None in a positive way. See now if he was egging her on, asking hypothetically if he was attractive enough that if they knew each other under different circumstances would she do him…basically fishing for a compliment and she was like “yeah sure, you’re a good looking guy and yeah I’d do you” when said under these conditions it usually has an unspoken “if we didn’t already know each other” or she was just saying that to be nice. Under these conditions the situation is not as positive in reality as the original post implies and a heavy None signal would be a bad idea. NOW, if the situation was more like we are led to believe from the original post, then this is a pretty sexually confident girl. True None is usually a bad idea with younger women, but not because it doesn’t build sexual attraction, but because most younger girls aren’t used to feeling intense lust and sexual desire and don’t know how to handle it. However if the girl is little more wild and already sexually forward, as the original post would imply, then i think a strong None signal like TuTH would be fine. Now as was already addressed…if it ain’t broke don’t try to fix it could very well apply here. Whatever mix that was worn at the time these statements were made may in fact be the ideal mix to actually close the deal. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Phail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Dr\_Phail](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dr_Phail)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 7:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-ive-got-this-girl-in-the-bag/49369/13 "2011-03-23T19:29:17Z")
No, she said it in a “I want to have sex with you sometime” context. Right now though she is acting a little wierd so I’m going to lay off the none for a while and just rely on socials. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 8:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-ive-got-this-girl-in-the-bag/49369/14 "2011-03-23T20:44:46Z")
Yup the old fix what isn’t broken problem that guys always want to do. So you fixed what wasn’t broken effectively breaking it! Like I said nothing is ever in the bag, unless its already been bagged 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Phail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Dr\_Phail](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dr_Phail)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 2:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-ive-got-this-girl-in-the-bag/49369/15 "2011-03-24T02:32:06Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Yup the old fix what isn’t broken problem that guys always want to do. So you fixed what wasn’t broken effectively breaking it! Like I said nothing is ever in the bag, unless its already been bagged 🙂 Nah, it’s over texting that she’s acting wierd. She lives 45 minutes away and yeah she’s doing some pretty wierd things. First off, let me explain. I basically stole her from another dude.Let me just say he lives 2 hours away from her and she hates him for some reason, blah blah blah. Anyway, she breaks up with him for me 2 days ago, but then decides to stay single for some reason because she is obviously not reading my texts all the way through and just assumes I don’t want a relationship any more. I told her I do, and she still hasnt texted me back. It’s been 2 days so far. I’m just going to leave her alone until next week, when I go back up to college and she’ll be there. ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 2:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-ive-got-this-girl-in-the-bag/49369/16 "2011-03-24T02:45:38Z")
My take on the situation is that she may be confused then at this point, looking for a backup guy or rebound… really got to play things cool not be demanding or needy ---
**Author:** ![Pandakun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pandakun/32/953_2.png) [@Pandakun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pandakun)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 6:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-ive-got-this-girl-in-the-bag/49369/17 "2011-03-24T06:03:28Z")
> [@Dr\_Phail](#): > > Anyway, she breaks up with him for me 2 days ago, but then decides to stay single for some reason because she is obviously not reading my texts **all the way through** and just assumes I don’t want a relationship any more. Just HOW Long are These Texts?!? After All No One wants to Read a Novel on a 3inch CellPhone Screen… Short, Sweet, and to the Point is the Rule… ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Phail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Dr\_Phail](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dr_Phail)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 3:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-ive-got-this-girl-in-the-bag/49369/18 "2011-03-24T15:01:56Z")
Yeah that’s probably it. But also on the matter of changing things up when i didn’t need to, I ran out of IO early on, before I really started hanging out with this girl. When I did start, things went smoothly, and then I ran out of IS for a while. That could be it as well. The first two weeks were like she was in love with me and she even told me that she felt like she knew me forever and she could tell me anything. This was the Ammo 1x, IS 4x combo that I had to switch to when I ran out of IS. I was mildly surprised considering I wasn’t using IH or IO. Gradually it went on and my friend told me that I seriously need to ask her to make up her mind on whether she wants me or not. I took his advice, shit snowballed downhill from there, and now I’m stuck with her still trying to decide on whether she really wants a relationship because she’ll “hurt me”. It’s really weird and I think she just hit PMS or something because she sounds really stressed when I talk to her over the phone, and doesn’t want to talk to me about much. I was considering getting A1 for this but idk. I was also considering going back to my original 4x IO, 4x IS, 1x Ammo, 20mcg P83 combo I met her on at college. What do you guys think? I know she still likes me, but she’s teetering on the edge. I really don’t even know if I have her in the bag now, and dammit, I can’t stop thinking about her. That’s one problem that I know is contributing to it. I’m a beta working my way to alpha, still a virgin and she knows it, and when she found that out was the first time she offered. It sounded like pity to me when I first heard it, so I told her later that night I WILL NOT accept pity sex. I will get it when I get it, I’m in no hurry to get it. 🆒 Though it would be nice if it happened sooner rather than later. Worked out nicely, after that I think she wanted real sex but her boyfriend was still in the way. Now that he is, she SHOULD be falling right into my arms, no? That’s why I was thinking she is just acting wierd because of PMS. After all she acted more promiscuous around the 10th day of the month, so maybe I just need to wait a while before using AMMO again. Damn. This is where I need some IG to cover up the lost androsterone. Or A1. Or both. I envy you phero vets and your huge phero armories! If I had more money I’d get some more…☹ And if this doesn’t work out I’m not sure I could push it into “friends with benefits”. That’s a maybe, but I still don’t know. Actually, do I even need Ammo any more? I think I’ve already set up that vibe, she may just initiate all on her own. ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-ive-got-this-girl-in-the-bag/49369/19 "2011-03-24T15:49:38Z")
You really got to play it cool, it seems like you got yourself all worked up thinking about her all the time and its making you not congruent with the signature your putting out. Shes probably just as confused about her relationship as she is with your actions at the moment. First off don’t make her make any decisions, you need to just let things flow. Set up times to meet where you two enjoy your time together, don’t even mention status of things or the going ons on her life. If you enjoy your time together someday she’ll ask you, hey I was seeing this other guy should I cut it off now? But do make it clear that your getting to know her, and insinuate were you want the relationship to go. If you treat her like a buddy she will be come that. That’s from my experience.. AT this point things are messy and there’s been to much pressure. Why not just make plans and tell her “hey I know a lot of shits been going on so lets chill and have fun” + add in whatever you know she likes to do to have fun. Keep in mind people that jump from relationship to relationship will probably do the same to you. keep in mind what she says the relationship problems are as if you do anything with her more then a night your probably going to inherit these problems. Shes not giving herself any time to heal from her last relationship! ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 4:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-ive-got-this-girl-in-the-bag/49369/20 "2011-03-24T16:25:43Z")
> [@Dr\_Phail](#): > > Nah, it’s over texting that she’s acting wierd. She lives 45 minutes away and yeah she’s doing some pretty wierd things. First off, let me explain. I basically stole her from another dude.Let me just say he lives 2 hours away from her and she hates him for some reason, blah blah blah. Anyway, she breaks up with him for me 2 days ago, but then decides to stay single for some reason because she is obviously not reading my texts all the way through and just assumes I don’t want a relationship any more. I told her I do, and she still hasnt texted me back. It’s been 2 days so far. I’m just going to leave her alone until next week, when I go back up to college and she’ll be there. A girl or guy who breaks up with another person to go out with someone else will do the same thing to the new person. A guy or girl who intentionally gets someone in a relationship to cheat will be cheated on. Remember the golden rule and ask yourself are you really that willing to be second to some other guy who “she hates” but still is going out with? [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-ive-got-this-girl-in-the-bag/49369.md?page=2)