# so when my phero's didnt seem to work they did :p **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 5, 2008, 6:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-when-my-pheros-didnt-seem-to-work-they-did-p/18914 "2008-09-05T18:26:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MeDieViL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/medievil/32/1650_2.png) [@MeDieViL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MeDieViL)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 6:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-when-my-pheros-didnt-seem-to-work-they-did-p/18914/1 "2008-09-05T18:26:38Z")
So i went out with some friends yesterday to the club and now one of the girls tell me there was a girl the last time we went out that seemed to like me, if only i remembered what i was wearing, it probebly was 2 sprays of ammo tough same thing as i was wearing yesterdayevening, and i did notice one of the girls started asking questions what my type was, and if she would be my type and stuff 😃 so its a HIT and me having the impression that girl didnt like me the last time lol ---
**Author:** ![Reserva](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Reserva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reserva)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 6:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-when-my-pheros-didnt-seem-to-work-they-did-p/18914/2 "2008-09-05T18:29:48Z")
Unfortunatly pheros won’t help us understand women! 🙂 Try buying a solid book on interpreting body language, it’s something us guys are naturally disadvantaged in. Even if you don’t like reading, you will still be very interested by it. Gl with the girl though 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 8:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-when-my-pheros-didnt-seem-to-work-they-did-p/18914/3 "2008-09-05T20:57:48Z")
This is very common, Humans are great at masking, we hide how we truly feel depending on the situation. This is why learning to read body language is important. Body language comes from the subconscious mind. People may be masking and not even realize the signals they are giving out. I often have people come up to me a few days to weeks after I have exposed them to [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) and say something. Especially people from work. They hold back in that environment even though we are a pretty open group. Then I go to a party with these same people and they will say things that indicate they were being effected the whole time and I didn’t know. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 9:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-when-my-pheros-didnt-seem-to-work-they-did-p/18914/4 "2008-09-05T21:47:50Z")
And I gotta step in and say I agree with how important it is to recognize body language too! There have been more times than I could count that I’ve been sitting next to and talking to a girl in a night club, and her not saying anything or acting in any kind of obvious way to show even a remote interest. However, she would be doing things like reaching up to play with her hair when she would talk to or look at me, adjusting her top, slightly shifting her weight toward me, glancing over a tme then turning her eyes down when I’d look at her. And the list goes on. Best way to get a clear body language indicator is with KINO. Reach out and put your hand on her shoulder as you’re talking to her. Or, one of my favorites is to take my thumb and forefinger and reach up to her cheeks and push upward and say smile. If she’s into you she’sprobably gonna let you do it and will smile. If shes not into you, you’re probably gonna see her pull back, turn her head or do something else to keep you from touching her. Of course you have to make sure that she sees it coming and you’re not catching her off guard, otherwise she’s probably gonna reflexively pull back reagardless. ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 10:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-when-my-pheros-didnt-seem-to-work-they-did-p/18914/5 "2008-09-05T22:10:18Z")
Yeah Kino is very, very important. Reading about body language is good for making yourself more open and therefore more congrugent. When I became aware of body language I was amazed at how me and the majority of other men have closed defensive positions, things like: Holding a drink up, crossed arms, hands in pockets etc. The most confident body postures are the ones you feel most vunerable (hands by your sides). Vunerable = open = confident. When you start looking for IOI’s in female body language make sure you do it subtly. No putting your head under the table to see if her feet are pointed at you 😃 . ---
**Author:** ![schell0385](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/schell0385/32/199_2.png) [@schell0385](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/schell0385)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 10:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-when-my-pheros-didnt-seem-to-work-they-did-p/18914/6 "2008-09-05T22:16:48Z")
OK - I have heard men refer to KINO before not quite sure what it is…is that the dating/body language book for men to make moves on the ladies? I am curious do we girls have a book like that to check out the guys body language for interest in us? ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 10:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-when-my-pheros-didnt-seem-to-work-they-did-p/18914/7 "2008-09-05T22:26:02Z")
It’s just about touching a girl. Not in intimate positions. Just tapping a hand in conversations, hugging, playing with her hair, grazing leg etc. It’s really helpfull because it helps you both get use to touching each other, if you don’t use kino the first move will be akward because you haven’t established any friendly touching before that. If your interested read the first post on this link, explains why it’s so important: [STOP BEING A LIL B\*\*\*\*\* AND USE KINO!!!](http://www.pick-up-artist-forum.com/stop-being-a-lil-b-and-use-kino-vt8419.html) ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 10:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-when-my-pheros-didnt-seem-to-work-they-did-p/18914/8 "2008-09-05T22:34:34Z")
Kino is short for Kinesthetic approach (physical touching). Usually of a sexual nature, to get a woman in a state of approval and arousal. Touching and stroking the side of her arm, her elbows, stroking her hair, cheeks, stroking her hand or wrist, etc. They have all sorts of influences they use like cave manning, PUA tactics ect ect Women are born with the skill, just watch any 2 to 5 year old girl manipulate their daddy. We really dont need the handbook 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![schell0385](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/schell0385/32/199_2.png) [@schell0385](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/schell0385)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 10:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-when-my-pheros-didnt-seem-to-work-they-did-p/18914/9 "2008-09-05T22:36:56Z")
Thanks for the info…I am so affectionate and playful anyway, that touching is easy for me. I will often pat someone’s popo and not even realize I have done so (huge grin) ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 10:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-when-my-pheros-didnt-seem-to-work-they-did-p/18914/10 "2008-09-05T22:44:25Z")
LOL Ummm whats a popo ROFL I am assuming its their ass but if its something else I wanna hang out with you cause it sounds like fun 😃 ---
**Author:** ![v0m1t](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/v0m1t/32/520_2.png) [@v0m1t](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/v0m1t)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 4:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-when-my-pheros-didnt-seem-to-work-they-did-p/18914/11 "2008-09-06T04:54:41Z")
You can touch my popo if i can touch your chacha… ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 6:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-when-my-pheros-didnt-seem-to-work-they-did-p/18914/12 "2008-09-06T06:57:50Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > LOL Ummm whats a popo ROFL I am assuming its their ass but if its something else I wanna hang out with you cause it sounds like fun 😃 Ahh, female bonding! So nice to see between you two after the last exchange I saw! 🙂 See Schell, we really are an awesome bunch of folks around here! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![schell0385](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/schell0385/32/199_2.png) [@schell0385](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/schell0385)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 9:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-when-my-pheros-didnt-seem-to-work-they-did-p/18914/13 "2008-09-06T09:53:26Z")
MID (mark-in-dallas) Yes you are an awesome bunch…whats a chacha? ---
**Author:** ![ntk23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/65b543/32.png) [@ntk23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ntk23)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 1:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-when-my-pheros-didnt-seem-to-work-they-did-p/18914/14 "2008-09-06T13:24:01Z")
> [@schell0385](#): > > MID (mark-in-dallas) > > Yes you are an awesome bunch…whats a chacha? Sounds like two-thirds of a popular Cuban rhythm to me 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 6:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-when-my-pheros-didnt-seem-to-work-they-did-p/18914/15 "2008-09-06T18:10:30Z")
> [@schell0385](#): > > whats a chacha? No clue, but I’m gonna venture a guess that’s it’s the female counterpart to a popo. 😉 Now then, what the hell is a popo? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Hazard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hazard/32/1153_2.png) [@Hazard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hazard)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 10:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/so-when-my-pheros-didnt-seem-to-work-they-did-p/18914/16 "2008-09-06T22:07:36Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Kino is short for Kinesthetic approach (physical touching). Usually of a sexual nature, to get a woman in a state of approval and arousal. Touching and stroking the side of her arm, her elbows, stroking her hair, cheeks, stroking her hand or wrist, etc. > > They have all sorts of influences they use like cave manning, PUA tactics ect ect > > Women are born with the skill, just watch any 2 to 5 year old girl manipulate their daddy. We really dont need the handbook 😉 > > Tisha Wish i could buy these handbooks and read up on all these tactics… im not so sure i want to read a book about understanding body language while at home… last thing i need is my wife reading it and having 1 more weapon in her vast arsenal… ~Haz~