# some of my thoughts on fragrances **URL:** \ **Category:** Parfum / Fragrance\ **Created:** [June 18, 2008, 7:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/some-of-my-thoughts-on-fragrances/14056 "2008-06-18T07:53:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 7:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/some-of-my-thoughts-on-fragrances/14056/1 "2008-06-18T07:53:44Z")
#1 I think most ordinary fragrance wearers and connoseurs greatly underestimate the effect of “body chemistry” on fragrances. All of us on Phero-Talk know what “body chemistry” _really_ is, right? Body funk, _[pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/)_. And it varies from individual to individual. Some people have more of one chemical than another. Some people have different bathing, hygene practices, some use scent-free laundry detergents, etc. What smells good on one person might smell bad on another. It’s good to wear pheromones whenever you try out a new fragrance. #2 Beware of overly cloying/overbearing fragrances. Some fragrances are borderline cloying to start out with. Some fragrances cloying or overbearing tones are actually tamed by pheromones, other times you’ll find they are mysteriously accentuated. Sometimes two different people might percieve a pheromone + fragrance combo totally differently. If in doubt, use a minimal cover scent application that masks the pheromones (and don’t go overboard with the pheromones themselves, either), don’t gas people with an unpleasant olfactory stink bomb. #3 I think there are few genuinely bad fragrances. Granted I haven’t tried wearing Joop with pheromones (for some reason hardly anybody around here wears it, and I’ve never tried it… but it sounds disgusting at least from the descriptions on Basenotes), but most fragrances seem to be relatively OK. It really doesn’t matter what you wear. In fact today I was wearing a knockoff fragrance (“impression of” Cool Water) and I think pheromones were working just fine and nobody said “oh, yuch…”, quite the contrary. I’ve worn some infamous/debatable frags like Aramis and gotten compliments as well wearing pheromones, and heck, even I enjoy wearing that frag now, I used to hate it. Just make sure other people do indeed like the smell and can tolerate it. #4 I think for some people a fragrance can accentuate the pheromones and their persona/image. I’m actually right now trying to work out some of my own homemade fragrance oil blends, and also try some infamous/unusual fragrances/colognes from the past and present (BTW I could use some suggestions from the old-timers). In my own case I want to wear something unusual that makes people notice the smell/phero-cloud a bit, and gives me a unique _conscious_ olfactory signature- I believe this is also congruent with my own personality, because I am definitely a unique person, it doesn’t make sense for me to smell like every other person out there. It’s a bit ironic that alot of Androtics cover scents smell similar to alot of mass-market fragrances, becaues I don’t think that’s necessarily such a good idea for everybody to be doing. For me I want something a bit unusual or mysterious- for other people they might want something that suggests \*fun, _or serious/respectable. Just don’t pick something just because everybody else wears it or because it is expensive, so therefore it must be good_. \* #5 Explore some fragrances. Read up a bit on perfumery just to get the overview/basics, learn about the basic categories like florals, woods, Orientals, fougeres, modern/aquatic scents, and so on. [Perfume - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfume) . Search out some sample sizes, be willing to try different things, and don’t worry too much about the price- you may find a cheaper fragrance that _works_ just as well as some expensive designer fragrance. Drugstores, Avon, Bath and Body works, etc… look into them all. Likewise, check out some higher end fragrances as well, just don’t limit yourself by price and assume what is more expensive is necessarily better. There are some websites out there where you can order sample sizes/vials/mini-sprays of many fragrances so you could try out a dozen or so for the price of one full bottle. Basenotes is also a good website for reading a review of a fragrance or getting a general description and finding similar fragrances to ones you like, ones that may be more unique to yourself. ---
**Author:** ![djacquelyn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djacquelyn/32/2180_2.png) [@djacquelyn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djacquelyn)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 11:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/some-of-my-thoughts-on-fragrances/14056/2 "2008-06-18T11:08:30Z")
> [@Daedelus76](#): > > #1 I think most ordinary fragrance wearers and connoseurs greatly underestimate the effect of “body chemistry” on fragrances. All of us on Phero-Talk know what “body chemistry” _really_ is, right? Body funk, _pheromones_. And it varies from individual to individual. Some people have more of one chemical than another. Some people have different bathing, hygene practices, some use scent-free laundry detergents, etc. What smells good on one person might smell bad on another. It’s good to wear pheromones whenever you try out a new fragrance. > > #2 Beware of overly cloying/overbearing fragrances. Some fragrances are borderline cloying to start out with. Some fragrances cloying or overbearing tones are actually tamed by pheromones, other times you’ll find they are mysteriously accentuated. Sometimes two different people might percieve a pheromone + fragrance combo totally differently. If in doubt, use a minimal cover scent application that masks the pheromones (and don’t go overboard with the pheromones themselves, either), don’t gas people with an unpleasant olfactory stink bomb. > > #3 I think there are few genuinely bad fragrances. Granted I haven’t tried wearing Joop with pheromones (for some reason hardly anybody around here wears it, and I’ve never tried it… but it sounds disgusting at least from the descriptions on Basenotes), but most fragrances seem to be relatively OK. It really doesn’t matter what you wear. In fact today I was wearing a knockoff fragrance (“impression of” Cool Water) and I think pheromones were working just fine and nobody said “oh, yuch…”, quite the contrary. I’ve worn some infamous/debatable frags like Aramis and gotten compliments as well wearing pheromones, and heck, even I enjoy wearing that frag now, I used to hate it. Just make sure other people do indeed like the smell and can tolerate it. > > #4 I think for some people a fragrance can accentuate the pheromones and their persona/image. I’m actually right now trying to work out some of my own homemade fragrance oil blends, and also try some infamous/unusual fragrances/colognes from the past and present (BTW I could use some suggestions from the old-timers). In my own case I want to wear something unusual that makes people notice the smell/phero-cloud a bit, and gives me a unique _conscious_ olfactory signature- I believe this is also congruent with my own personality, because I am definitely a unique person, it doesn’t make sense for me to smell like every other person out there. It’s a bit ironic that alot of Androtics cover scents smell similar to alot of mass-market fragrances, becaues I don’t think that’s necessarily such a good idea for everybody to be doing. For me I want something a bit unusual or mysterious- for other people they might want something that suggests \*fun, \*or \*serious/respectable. _Just don’t pick something just because everybody else wears it or because it is expensive, so therefore it must be good_. \* > > #5 Explore some fragrances. Read up a bit on perfumery just to get the overview/basics, learn about the basic categories like florals, woods, Orientals, fougeres, modern/aquatic scents, and so on. > [Perfume - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfume) . Search out some sample sizes, be willing to try different things, and don’t worry too much about the price- you may find a cheaper fragrance that _works_ just as well as some expensive designer fragrance. Drugstores, Avon, Bath and Body works, etc… look into them all. Likewise, check out some higher end fragrances as well, just don’t limit yourself by price and assume what is more expensive is necessarily better. There are some websites out there where you can order sample sizes/vials/mini-sprays of many fragrances so you could try out a dozen or so for the price of one full bottle. Basenotes is also a good website for reading a review of a fragrance or getting a general description and finding similar fragrances to ones you like, ones that may be more unique to yourself. Hi There…great report so I am repping you. Question, If the cover scents are ment to cover the fragrance, how does the initial pheromone get out there, hope this makes sense, just asking cause I often wonder if I am covering wrong which would therefore cause me to get know hits or reactions because my pheromones aren’t being detected. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 7:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/some-of-my-thoughts-on-fragrances/14056/3 "2008-06-18T19:31:34Z")
> [@djacquelyn](#): > > Hi There…great report so I am repping you. > Question, If the cover scents are ment to cover the fragrance, how does the initial pheromone get out there, . The fragrance will slow down the evaporation somewhat, especially an oil-based perfume or anything heavier (I’ve been experimenting with making fragrant oil blends myself). But it’s not a huge difference. In other cases, like an [unscented pheromone](https://a314.com/product-category/stealth-unfragranced/), it can help the diffusion because the scent molecules will help scatter the pheromone molecules further away from you, making for a bigger cloud that doesn’t go just straight upward so much when it evaporates. If you spray on your wrists, rubbing your wrists together a little will help “mix” or warm up the pheromone/fragrance mixture. ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2008, 6:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/some-of-my-thoughts-on-fragrances/14056/4 "2008-06-22T06:26:42Z")
> [@djacquelyn](#): > > Hi There…great report so I am repping you. > Question, If the cover scents are ment to cover the fragrance, how does the initial pheromone get out there, hope this makes sense, just asking cause I often wonder if I am covering wrong which would therefore cause me to get know hits or reactions because my pheromones aren’t being detected. It’s easy to confuse the smell of the pheromone with the pheromone itself. I mean, yes, if you can smell it, molecules are definitely floating up your nose to your brain, but that doesn’t mean it’s not happening if you don’t smell it. Just thought that needed a little clarification. The bottom line is that covering pheromones with perfume/cologne does not take away from their effectiveness. -D4 ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 1:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/some-of-my-thoughts-on-fragrances/14056/5 "2008-07-19T01:50:27Z")
OK, some more thoughts Sometimes I think cloying frags _can_ work OK for people. I just think most people are not so adventurous in what they choose to wear, and when they go for a cloying fragrance, they go for the obvious, like sugary/sweet smells for women, or musk/leather smells for guys. Maybe this works for some people and they smell good, who knows. Lately I’ve been wearing alot of oud and sandalwood together, and I admit the smell borders on cloying. Not really a fragrance mix, but more like a layering. Sometimes I add a touch of rose. I haven’t had many people complain about the smell, but it is a bit cloying but I’m used to it. It’s not cloying in a chemical warfare kind of way, though, it just smells simpler, maybe a bit unusual. Also, wearing heavy sandalwood/oud in the summer breaks all the “rules” of Western perfumery. “Wear light green frags in the summer, heavy sandalwood/Oriental frags in the winter”. And yet millions of Indians and Arabs wear sandalwood in the blazing sun, so maybe the rules are all garbage. Or maybe I’m just nuts 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 2:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/some-of-my-thoughts-on-fragrances/14056/6 "2008-07-19T02:46:38Z")
Well, I’m can’t comment on fragrances. Thanks for the knowledge. 🙂 But I _can_ comment on rules. 😛 Rules are just rules, you can keep em, or you can break em. Whatever you can live with. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 4:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/some-of-my-thoughts-on-fragrances/14056/7 "2008-07-19T04:52:19Z")
I do think aromatherapy/neurosensory properties of some odors are overlooked alot in perfumery. For instance, the exact effect of alot of synthetic aldehydes, or even alot of other synthetic smells hasn’t been fully explored by aromatherapists, and really only been touched on by scientists. Here’s just a short list of chemicals/herbs thate are known to have neurosensory/psychoactive effects: vetiver (vetivone), linalool ,sandalwood (santolol), jasmine (indole), orange/citrus, frankincense (incensole acetate), agarwood (karanones), and that’s just a short list. And we don’t really have any idea what synthetic smells like calone, ultrazur, or some of the synthetic aldehydes\* do in terms of neurosensory type effects. Positive, negative? It hasn’t been studied. Alot of fragrances are made more for how they _smell_ artisticly rather than how they\* feel.\* - \*\*just an example, but alot of persistant peach/strawberry notes in some fragrances are actually synthetic aldehydes, not natural smells. Natural fruit smells tend to fade rather fast, whereas some fruit aldehyde aroma chemicals tend to be more base notes that stay around. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_moose](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_moose/32/2289_2.png) [@Miss\_moose](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_moose)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 11:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/some-of-my-thoughts-on-fragrances/14056/8 "2008-07-19T11:17:00Z")
This is great, thank you! Very educational 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![nosemolester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/nosemolester/32/1782_2.png) [@nosemolester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nosemolester)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 1:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/some-of-my-thoughts-on-fragrances/14056/9 "2008-07-19T13:13:27Z")
you always have great outlooks on perfumes/frags etc. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2008, 4:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/some-of-my-thoughts-on-fragrances/14056/10 "2008-07-20T04:35:47Z")
I think some folks asked me a while back what I thought was a good fragrance. I think the answer is too subjective and individual for me to answer. In addition, I don’t know as much about women’s mass-market fragrances as men’s fragrances, unfortunately. I do think “Oriental” fragrances in general smell good, but that’s just my own personal opinion. Florals are good too. For evening wear I’d avoid citrus fragrances, and womens fragrances tend not to be in the “mossy” family so much, anyways. If you are wondering what an “Oriental” fragrance means, in Western perfumery it usually means a “Woody” fragrance based around woods (sandalwood, cedar), musks or spices (nutmeg, cardamom, clove, vanilla, camphor, saffron, etc), or Asian plants that have a woody or decadent character (jasmine, patchouli, vetiver). Opium or CK Obsession would be examples of Orientals/Woods. “Food”/gourmand fragrances might smell good, too, but sometimes the “food” smells can turn my stomach. Angel is a good example of a nice “gourmand” fragrance. I also like the men’s version, but I only wear it in small amounts, and now days I’m too busy with other fragrances to justify the cost of a full bottle. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2008, 9:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/some-of-my-thoughts-on-fragrances/14056/11 "2008-07-20T09:57:29Z")
Well sometimes I wear Joop Jump! And my girlfriend really loves it. I also wear 212 Sexy Men.. which is similar I guess…