# Something that's been bothering me for a while -none **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 7, 2011, 5:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/something-thats-been-bothering-me-for-a-while-none/50650 "2011-06-07T17:22:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 5:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/something-thats-been-bothering-me-for-a-while-none/50650/1 "2011-06-07T17:22:09Z")
Something that i’ve always wondered about but never could quite get my brain around. -None Young guys produce alot of -none. Young girls obviously like young guys. Older guys produce less -none Older guys are always warned against wearing high -none around youngings. Is there a -none : -rone ratio that is being overlooked( or any toher mones that factor into this equation? Im 6’0 215lbs workout 3x a week,mma training but im also 38 yrs old. In theory my age should show a decline in mone output, however an exercise routine should increase mone output. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/something-thats-been-bothering-me-for-a-while-none/50650/2 "2011-06-07T17:30:43Z")
Interesting one Blacky! 🙂 On a similar note, I’ve wondered if women attracted to substantially older men may have in some part either a liking for lower none levels or an attraction to a differing none/rone proportion? ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 5:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/something-thats-been-bothering-me-for-a-while-none/50650/3 "2011-06-07T17:41:41Z")
I’ve thought about something similar about the none young girl thing. However, the reason young girls are attracted to young guys I would believe has more to do with social conditioning rather than actual [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/). I don’t know what my issue is with younger women. I attract many types of women, but young women really do tend to fall for me. I’ve had issues with them being as young as 16 and chasing me. I think I’m a naturally high erone producer and that is what creates that attraction for them. But most won’t act on it because of social conditioning and thinking that hmmm..he’s too old for me. But the ones who either have serious daddy issues…LOL or are more confident and don’t care what their friends think are the ones who end up going after me. Me and a buddy of mine have been doing a lot of gaming here lately. I mean a lot. Both of us are broke..right now LOL. So we spend our time hitting malls, free festivals etc just gaming chicks. Its been great and has taught me a lot. But once again… I see two really cute 20somethings on Fremont Street. And they have a beer in their hand. I pick my target, open them up and within 3 minutes I have my targets info. We all split and go our separate ways…I wait till the following afternoon, I go and friend her on FB and she’s only 19. Just graduated High School last year. WTF? Anyway, I don’t know if this sheds light on your question…I think its social conditioning that overrides any signal they may get…bad or good. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/something-thats-been-bothering-me-for-a-while-none/50650/4 "2011-06-07T17:56:47Z")
Actually its younger guys who are warned not to wear additional none around younger girls as it could OD effect for them. Older guys are encouraged to wear higher none based products hence the double strength products. Sorry but you got that incorrect and therefore the whole of this is flawed.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ScienceStudent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/839c29/32.png) [@ScienceStudent](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ScienceStudent)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 6:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/something-thats-been-bothering-me-for-a-while-none/50650/5 "2011-06-07T18:25:39Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Interesting one Blacky! 🙂 > > On a similar note, I’ve wondered if women attracted to substantially older men may have in some part either a liking for lower none levels or an attraction to a differing none/rone proportion? I am starting to think women go for older men since those men are less juvenile. I’m still confused by the concept that a guy can’t/won’t date seriously until he thinks he has his education/career/house all established. Not like getting to “serious” is instant; it’s going to take a couple years, just like getting a good start on that career. Personally, I find older men off-putting since most I meet seem to have “given up.” Cargo pants and camo are only ever sexy in magazines. I’m not saying “suit up,” but a well-fitting pair of jeans, a fitted casual shirt, and some rockports look like you care about yourself. /off-topic 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 6:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/something-thats-been-bothering-me-for-a-while-none/50650/6 "2011-06-07T18:44:35Z")
> [@ScienceStudent](#): > > I am starting to think women go for older men since those men are less juvenile. I’m still confused by the concept that a guy can’t/won’t date seriously until he thinks he has his education/career/house all established. Not like getting to “serious” is instant; it’s going to take a couple years, just like getting a good start on that career. > > Personally, I find older men off-putting since most I meet seem to have “given up.” Cargo pants and camo are only ever sexy in magazines. I’m not saying “suit up,” but a well-fitting pair of jeans, a fitted casual shirt, and some rockports look like you care about yourself. /off-topic 😉 I personally don’t feel that way, I have wanted a serious relationship more than anything, sure I have a good job and just got my own apartment for the first time but I would be serious with a girl with no problem. I am not afraid of commitment, it just seems that commitment is afraid of me, so to speak lol. I have always been more mature for my age, but that has never seemed to help me in the long run, it nets me to the best friend zone. I don’t want just a best friend I want so much more than that. I wear nice clothing when I go out but I have been known to wear nice fitted jeans and a nerdy T-Shirt too because I am a pretty big nerd, but when I go out on dates I wear nice button down shirts and jeans that really show off my ass lol. Still doesn’t seem to help, but that is probably my flaw still regardless. As for the none thing, I don’t know I haven’t really experimented enough with them to know if it effects younger or older women. I work in a school so I could probably conduct a good test and find out for sure, but I probably won’t do that for obvious reasons lol. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 6:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/something-thats-been-bothering-me-for-a-while-none/50650/7 "2011-06-07T18:58:24Z")
> [@ScienceStudent](#): > > I am starting to think women go for older men since those men are less juvenile. I’m still confused by the concept that a guy can’t/won’t date seriously until he thinks he has his education/career/house all established. Not like getting to “serious” is instant; it’s going to take a couple years, just like getting a good start on that career. > > Personally, I find older men off-putting since most I meet seem to have “given up.” Cargo pants and camo are only ever sexy in magazines. I’m not saying “suit up,” but a well-fitting pair of jeans, a fitted casual shirt, and some rockports look like you care about yourself. /off-topic 😉 First of all, if that’s you in the pic you’re just so darned cute. And you’re right about the older men having given up. I went through that I guess in my mid 30’s. I went to a stage where I was more concerned about comfort than looking good, except for when I hit the conventions for biz, in the industry I was in, you had to look kind of rockstarish. But I went through a major transformation, where I found myself again. I’ve always been one of those marching to the beat of his own drummer. In high school my fashion was usually about 2 years ahead of the current trend in Texas, which made for some interesting comments from the guys, but got me noticed by the females. That’s where I am now. I am not wearing high school kids clothes, but I’m not wearing something off the rack from Sears either. I am swinging back towards a bit of wilder style. My transition has gone from (starting 4 years ago) sharp and age appropriate, to biker, to casual rocker now. At the age of 44 I’m sporting a mohawk…not a faux hawk…but a real mohawk and I friggin’ love it. I don’t wanna be younger. I’m not trying to relive some younger, wilder time of my life. I am just being me. I love being in my 40’s. This is the best decade of my life thus far. My 40th birthday was a crowning achievement for me. I saw it as it was my time to ascend to the throne. More men just need to learn to accept who they are in that time and moment and just go with it. If I had chosen that path in my 30’s, instead of trying to take the path of least resistance… career, family, house, dog and a 2 cars in the garage. I would have had all that, plus my passion, which is what I am pursuing now…and I’m living a fucking dream. I am broke, but living a fucking dream. I gave my first class last night to a group of men, and will be giving 3 more over the next month and I rocked that shit…and the amazing thing. Is never in my life have I felt sexier, never in my life have I been treated like I’m sexier…even the girl I’m currently working on, she texted me the other day just saying how she was proud of me, how she was grateful I was in her life and she just knew I was going to succeed. ---
**Author:** ![ScienceStudent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/839c29/32.png) [@ScienceStudent](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ScienceStudent)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 7:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/something-thats-been-bothering-me-for-a-while-none/50650/8 "2011-06-07T19:53:51Z")
> [@ITNerd799](#): > > I personally don’t feel that way, I have wanted a serious relationship more than anything, sure I have a good job and just got my own apartment for the first time but I would be serious with a girl with no problem. I am not afraid of commitment, it just seems that commitment is afraid of me, so to speak lol. I have always been more mature for my age, but that has never seemed to help me in the long run, it nets me to the best friend zone. I don’t want just a best friend I want so much more than that. I wear nice clothing when I go out but I have been known to wear nice fitted jeans and a nerdy T-Shirt too because I am a pretty big nerd, but when I go out on dates I wear nice button down shirts and jeans that really show off my ass lol. Still doesn’t seem to help, but that is probably my flaw still regardless… Well then sir, you are a rarity to be cherished. I didn’t mean to imply _all_ men, as I am happily learning there is quite the faction that fall in your category. However, there seem to be a large number that met “the one” early, only to have their heart broken, and now “protect” themselves by separating physical and emotional connections. These men I find inherently unappealing. Having had lots of partners just tells me a guy is not secure in who he is. It could be that the distribution on the dating site is skewed as many men there seem to be disenchanted by the average online woman. This summer I’m joining some nerdy and active meetups – now if I could just find one that was _both. 😃_ ---
**Author:** ![ScienceStudent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/839c29/32.png) [@ScienceStudent](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ScienceStudent)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 7:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/something-thats-been-bothering-me-for-a-while-none/50650/9 "2011-06-07T19:59:01Z")
Yes, that is me. Thank you! 🙂 Maybe that’s what’s alluring. The acknowledgment of “this is who I want to be” as opposed to “this is what’s easiest.” A little self-expression; a little care in dress, words, and actions show self-confidence, which is sexy. (Not “ego,” which is arrogance, and not sexy.) Changing yourself _for_ yourself builds that confidence, that self-presence, and shows the world you care about yourself. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 8:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/something-thats-been-bothering-me-for-a-while-none/50650/10 "2011-06-07T20:08:12Z")
> [@ScienceStudent](#): > > Yes, that is me. Thank you! 🙂 > > Maybe that’s what’s alluring. The acknowledgment of “this is who I want to be” as opposed to “this is what’s easiest.” A little self-expression; a little care in dress, words, and actions show self-confidence, which is sexy. (Not “ego,” which is arrogance, and not sexy.) Changing yourself _for_ yourself builds that confidence, that self-presence, and shows the world you care about yourself. 😃 Couldn’t agree more, that is why I am in the middle of big life changes myself. And that is you? You really are cute too bad you don’t live in my area I am a huge fan of cute nerdy girls for sure! I want to be so much more which is why I am taking action and finally doing something with my life to change instead of remaining where I am “comfortable” or as you said, what is easiest. ---
**Author:** ![Vespero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vespero/32/988_2.png) [@Vespero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vespero)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 10:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/something-thats-been-bothering-me-for-a-while-none/50650/11 "2011-06-07T22:52:00Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Actually its younger guys who are warned not to wear additional none around younger girls as it could OD effect for them. Older guys are encouraged to wear higher none based products hence the double strength products. Sorry but you got that incorrect and therefore the whole of this is flawed.🙂 Actually, I’m pretty sure older men have been warned against wearing high -none around younger girls where they might be construed as a predator, high schools, malls, etc. I think this is what he’s referring to. Of course, I feel that’s more just a warning that the male should act very professionally when talking younger females so his innocent actions or natural unconscious flirting aren’t misconstrued as something more sinister. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 11:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/something-thats-been-bothering-me-for-a-while-none/50650/12 "2011-06-07T23:22:37Z")
> [@Blacky\_Chan](#): > > Something that i’ve always wondered about but never could quite get my brain around. > > -None > Young guys produce alot of -none. > Young girls obviously like young guys. > Older guys produce less -none > Older guys are always warned against wearing high -none around youngings. > Is there a -none : -rone ratio that is being overlooked( or any toher mones that factor into this equation? > > Im 6’0 215lbs workout 3x a week,mma training but im also 38 yrs old. > > In theory my age should show a decline in mone output, however an exercise routine should increase mone output. Never forget to factor in … THE EXCEPTION, Blacky. 'Cause there are, and will always be, lots of’em. 😉 > [@ScienceStudent](#): > > I am starting to think women go for older men since those men are less juvenile. I’m still confused by the concept that a guy can’t/won’t date seriously until he thinks he has his education/career/house all established. Not like getting to “serious” is instant; it’s going to take a couple years, just like getting a good start on that career. > > Personally, I find older men off-putting since most I meet seem to have “given up.” Cargo pants and camo are only ever sexy in magazines. I’m not saying “suit up,” but a well-fitting pair of jeans, a fitted casual shirt, and some rockports look like you care about yourself. /off-topic 😉 Nice input, SS. BUT! IF only ALL women had that same vision … we’d have it made! 😃 I’ve seen the MAN IN JEANS ON A MOTORCYCLE … ME WANTS scenario, far too often. Once she gets him, the motorcycle becomes dangerous, and he should start wearing suits. 🙄 Welcome to **AMERICA**! The wanting! The needy! The greedy! The confused! 😃 Stop it, Steve! 😠 😃 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 12:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/something-thats-been-bothering-me-for-a-while-none/50650/13 "2011-06-08T00:01:10Z")
> [@Vespero](#): > > Actually, I’m pretty sure older men have been warned against wearing high -none around younger girls where they might be construed as a predator, high schools, malls, etc. I think this is what he’s referring to. Of course, I feel that’s more just a warning that the male should act very professionally when talking younger females so his innocent actions or natural unconscious flirting aren’t misconstrued as something more sinister. Can you link please so I can see the misinformation myself? One or two people saying don’t do it wouldn’t be a community collective and therefore not garner much weight as a warning. Telling guys they shouldn’t wear it around “children” is a far cry from this. I do not recall any real instances of reputable members of this forum consistently being warned to not wear none around HS girls. After all that’s what this thread is about: A collective of the community warning older community members not to wear high-none around younger women. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 12:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/something-thats-been-bothering-me-for-a-while-none/50650/14 "2011-06-08T00:28:24Z")
> [@ScienceStudent](#): > > Yes, that is me. Thank you! 🙂 > > Maybe that’s what’s alluring. The acknowledgment of “this is who I want to be” as opposed to “this is what’s easiest.” A little self-expression; a little care in dress, words, and actions show self-confidence, which is sexy. (Not “ego,” which is arrogance, and not sexy.) Changing yourself _for_ yourself builds that confidence, that self-presence, and shows the world you care about yourself. 😃 Oh yeah… I know that plays a very large part in it. I like where I am at right now. Its an amazing place, never have I felt so much more in the right place at the right time. I find this place every now and then, then I forget about it and fall back in step with the rest of the world and worry about non-essential things as others so often do. I find when I am here, everything falls into place because there’s no forcing, no rushing, just free flowing and smooth so I see what I need to see. People I am having issues with just seem to disappear, no friction. Boss’ loves me even more, they feel that pull away or the lack of control through fear they thought they held, so they pull a bit tighter, becoming the needy and clingy one in the relationship…LOL But to get back to the subject at hand… yeah you’re friggin’ cute. I should show you a pic of a young friend of mine, you two could be sisters. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 12:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/something-thats-been-bothering-me-for-a-while-none/50650/15 "2011-06-08T00:29:44Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Can you link please so I can see the misinformation myself? One or two people saying don’t do it wouldn’t be a community collective and therefore not garner much weight as a warning. > > Telling guys they shouldn’t wear it around “children” is a far cry from this. I do not recall any real instances of reputable members of this forum consistently being warned to not wear none around HS girls. After all that’s what this thread is about: A collective of the community warning older community members not to wear high-none around younger women. I have heard this too Steve, I have probably even repeated it. But then I’m not a reputable member, I just play one on the interwebs. But seriously, I’ve read the be careful about wearing high amounts of none around young girls for fear of coming off as pervy. Dont’ know if I could find a link for you tho’ ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 12:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/something-thats-been-bothering-me-for-a-while-none/50650/16 "2011-06-08T00:34:15Z")
That’s her…Kayla. She’s in Germany serving in the army right now. But when I saw your pic, I was like..dayum. Is Kayla on here posting? LOL ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 1:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/something-thats-been-bothering-me-for-a-while-none/50650/17 "2011-06-08T01:10:09Z")
I think that you will only look pervy if you act it or just have that pervy body language about you ---
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 1:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/something-thats-been-bothering-me-for-a-while-none/50650/18 "2011-06-08T01:39:13Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > I have heard this too Steve, I have probably even repeated it. But then I’m not a reputable member, I just play one on the interwebs. > > But seriously, **I’ve read the be careful about wearing high amounts of none around young girls for fear of coming off as pervy**. Dont’ know if I could find a link for you tho’ Steve, this is what I’m refering to, I cant pinpoint exactly where i’ve seen it, but I’ve read the exact same thing that thegentleman has posted. This was the whole purpose of the thread, I didn’t come up with this theory on my own. It’s like the _“you cant wear -none around asians”_ and _“-None is so sticky it cant be washed off” theories that float around from time to time._ ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 1:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/something-thats-been-bothering-me-for-a-while-none/50650/19 "2011-06-08T01:53:47Z")
I’ve read it too, but I will say I’ve read as many if not more posts stating that men above a certain age can usually wear a little more None than younger guys without it coming off too strong…a LITTLE. IMO you could be a castrated octogenarian and 4 sprays of double strength TuTH will freak people out. Myself personally for example, while I like the A314/Ammo combo, I find that a shot of TuTH is a bit stronger at conveying the vibe that I’m still a sexual man…not overbearingly so but in ways that are still work safe for me yet stronger than what I get with Ammo. I’m just shy of 40 and when I wear [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/)(the highest none product AD makes) I don’t get any negative reactions at all. In fact younger women seem more relaxed around me…maybe it balances out the “dad” vibe that rone can sometimes create. Plus when I wear it with some Shine I actually get mistaken for being several years younger than I actually am. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 1:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/something-thats-been-bothering-me-for-a-while-none/50650/20 "2011-06-08T01:55:08Z")
Rad… I know when my mix is just right, I get that…“wow have you lost weight?” question all throughout the day. When its clear on my part that I haven’t. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/something-thats-been-bothering-me-for-a-while-none/50650.md?page=2)