# Sorta lost hope, but keeping my head up! M/23 Asian **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 23, 2016, 7:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sorta-lost-hope-but-keeping-my-head-up-m-23-asian/66646 "2016-11-23T07:36:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![superdduper93](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@superdduper93](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/superdduper93)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 7:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sorta-lost-hope-but-keeping-my-head-up-m-23-asian/66646/1 "2016-11-23T07:36:12Z")
Good Evening Gentlemen, Thought I’d give an update on this following story, click on the link below if you haven’t already: [Hello! Asian guy looking to win the heart of a friend (or out of the friendzone) M/23](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-asian-guy-looking-to-win-the-heart-of-a-friend-or-out-of-the-friendzone-m-23/66614) So basically I felt like crap today (I know, Marines aren’t really supposed to say that). I ordered IS and IG and it ended up at my home of record instead of San Diego. Wasn’t able to test it out but went out tonight with a bunch of friends including LA and her friend. My secure side popped up and was passively screaming that I lost my chance. I did everything I could to cover up the fact that I was disappointed in myself, that I didn’t get the subtle cues early on, and missed my chance. But lo! I have a reason to believe mones are on my side. My package of IS and IG is supposed to come tomorrow in Fedex. My question now for those who’ve used this before, how much did you use the first time? And who else has been in a situation where they know a girl was dating someone else, but still managed to win her heart over? And what did you do? ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 12:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sorta-lost-hope-but-keeping-my-head-up-m-23-asian/66646/2 "2016-11-23T12:11:54Z")
Good to hear from you again superdduper93! IShine was the very first one that made me a believer in pheromones! I would try 1 spray to the neck and give it 5 minutes to see what you think and go from there. Then maybe interact with some others and see how it affects others. Maybe try this once or twice then the third time try 2 sprays 1 left and 1 right of neck and repeat. Now when you go to 3 sprays try something like 1 spray each side of neck and then 1 spray to one of your wrists and tap the other wrist together. I suggest this so you spread out your pheromone cloud. I get great self effect with IShine and you will have to test to see what the best dose is for you, but should be somewhere between 1-4 sprays total. With IG I would do the same exact thing as with the IShine and try on the neck. I always do this so I can access self effects, and now some like myself get great self effects and others hardly no self effects. You should be somewhere between 1-4 sprays with this one also. As far as this woman who is dating someone else, you can’t change her mind and how she feels, but you can let her know how you feel, but it can be at a risk of ruining the friendship to. As far as pheromones go you will need [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) for the attraction and some IH to get her true feelings out of her and would start here. I am sure other will come in and help out. ---
**Author:** ![jserna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/aca169/32.png) [@jserna](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jserna)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 6:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sorta-lost-hope-but-keeping-my-head-up-m-23-asian/66646/3 "2016-11-23T18:55:43Z")
Superdduper93… Feelings are crazy.. but I think this is a good time to take notes in your experience. I’ve used some more classis mones like A314 and TUTH solo and in combination. And they actually help me more than they affect the person im trying to target. What i mean by that, is that there is some sort of attitude (placebo or actual effect) that comes from wearing these mones (all mones). That being said, I can only tell you to have as much fun as possible. In my experience with girls that ive liked, completely chasing them is counter intuitive. Everyone loves the hunt (especially girls) , so why not sit back and relax and let them fight for your attention? Women arent as aggressive as us guys and are more subtle. hang out with as many beautiful girls as possible and show them how cool and fun you are to be around! be about your business (but dont talk about it too much) and walk tall with confidence, no matter what happens. Get to know yourself better and improve yourself. Always be a better version of yourself. The pieces tend to fall where they are supposed to if you do things a certain way. Dont give up hope. thats for you. YOU GOT THIS! Wear the mones with confidence that they are helping elevate your mood. Women gravitate to moods for sure!