# Speculation: what's next

**URL:** <https://pheromonetalk.com/t/speculation-whats-next/1812>\
**Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\
**Created:** [January 29, 2007, 1:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/speculation-whats-next/1812 "2007-01-29T13:11:25Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 11\
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**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\
**Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 1:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/speculation-whats-next/1812/1 "2007-01-29T13:11:25Z")

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I’m at a plateau in my phero-experimenting, and I’d appreciate your input. You don’t need to feel you have to give specific recommendations/advice/counsel – observations of any kind are welcome and will be appreciated.

My current inventory:  
Androstenone 10 mcg/spray unscented  
Spaceland 50 mcg/spray w herbal scent  
[Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) 4x in Neroli  
Instant Shine 2x in Neroli

A314 Irregular White Cap unscented

Mystery Boy w Ammo fragrance cologne  
Safari Mix MX 100

MX177 Michael’s three phero combo “unusual” in Neroli  
MX178 Michael’s three phero combo plus -none, -Rone, etc. in Neroli  
MX203 P93+alpha-nol+TAA in PheroGame  
MX204 TAK in Neroli  
MX207 - MX212 alpha-nol + TAA unscented and in various cover scents

P74 12.5 mcg/spray  
P79 25.0 mcg/spray  
P83 12.5 mcg/spray  
P88 12.5 mcg/spray

## Supply used up:

MX200 Asian Persuasion in PheroGame (?? P93+alpha-nol+TAA ??)  
MX201 P93 in Neroli  
New items I’m considering ordering:  
TAF 25.0 mcg/spray

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**Author:** ![Mak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@Mak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mak)\
**Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 1:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/speculation-whats-next/1812/2 "2007-01-29T13:48:57Z")

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Try 1 anone + 1 IH.

Usually 1 to 2, but since you have the 4x IH, that probably is the same.

This probably will get you some inquisitive attention, so I’d suggest you won’t see it working well until you mix it with a pleasant attitude and a relaxed smile.

I’d spray separately, ie, not mix.

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**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\
**Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 2:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/speculation-whats-next/1812/3 "2007-01-29T14:44:43Z")

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What did you think of Asian Persuasion, Mark? (Sorry if you already reported, I must have missed it)

Have you experimented with [Mystery Boy](https://a314.com/product/mystery-boy/) much yet?

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**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\
**Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 7:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/speculation-whats-next/1812/4 "2007-01-29T19:40:07Z")

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Get some Taa oil. I was also curious about mx200.

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**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\
**Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 11:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/speculation-whats-next/1812/5 "2007-01-29T23:51:15Z")

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EST is not cheap (particularly at the 25mcg + dose I have found interesting results with when experimenting), but it opens a whole new section in the phero library. Tacitus is probably the EST-king… I have yet to combine EST with mind machines.

If you order the TAF, maybe play around a little with the 25-50mcg dose but for everyday wear I guess more like 5 mcg would do the job so you might want to dilute it quite substantially.

I’m also partial to TAC, TAL and TAH and would say IFM/A1 should be a staple, even if it’s not as fun/spectacular/weird as many of the others.

> [@MarkL](#):
>
> I’m at a plateau in my phero-experimenting, and I’d appreciate your input. You don’t need to feel you have to give specific recommendations/advice/counsel – observations of any kind are welcome and will be appreciated.
> 
> My current inventory:Androstenone 10 mcg/spray unscented  
> Spaceland 50 mcg/spray w herbal scent  
> Instant Honesty 4x in Neroli  
> Instant Shine 2x in Neroli
> 
> A314 Irregular White Cap unscented
> 
> Mystery Boy w Ammo fragrance cologne  
> Safari Mix MX 100
> 
> MX177 Michael’s three phero combo “unusual” in Neroli  
> MX178 Michael’s three phero combo plus -none, -Androsterone, etc. in Neroli  
> MX203 P93+Alpha Androstenol+TAA in PheroGame  
> MX204 TAK in Neroli  
> MX207 - MX212 Alpha Androstenol + TAA unscented and in various cover scents
> 
> P74 12.5 mcg/spray  
> P79 25.0 mcg/spray  
> P83 12.5 mcg/spray  
> P88 12.5 mcg/spray
> 
> ## Supply used up:
> 
> MX200 Asian Persuasion in PheroGame (?? P93+Alpha Androstenol+TAA ??)  
> MX201 P93 in Neroli  
> New items I’m considering ordering:TAF 25.0 mcg/spray

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**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\
**Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 12:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/speculation-whats-next/1812/6 "2007-01-30T00:04:19Z")

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Also, highly recommend tac-style reapplication. So apply base mix + at least one layer to reapply throughout the course of the evening (particularly for what seem to be the more volatile mones - nol, EST, TAA/Shine). Seems to improve consistency a great deal.

> [@MarkL](#):
>
> I’m at a plateau in my phero-experimenting, and I’d appreciate your input. You don’t need to feel you have to give specific recommendations/advice/counsel – observations of any kind are welcome and will be appreciated.
> 
> My current inventory:Androstenone 10 mcg/spray unscented  
> Spaceland 50 mcg/spray w herbal scent  
> Instant Honesty 4x in Neroli  
> Instant Shine 2x in Neroli
> 
> A314 Irregular White Cap unscented
> 
> Mystery Boy w Ammo fragrance cologne  
> Safari Mix MX 100
> 
> MX177 Michael’s three phero combo “unusual” in Neroli  
> MX178 Michael’s three phero combo plus -none, -Androsterone, etc. in Neroli  
> MX203 P93+Alpha Androstenol+TAA in PheroGame  
> MX204 TAK in Neroli  
> MX207 - MX212 Alpha Androstenol + TAA unscented and in various cover scents
> 
> P74 12.5 mcg/spray  
> P79 25.0 mcg/spray  
> P83 12.5 mcg/spray  
> P88 12.5 mcg/spray
> 
> ## Supply used up:
> 
> MX200 Asian Persuasion in PheroGame (?? P93+Alpha Androstenol+TAA ??)  
> MX201 P93 in Neroli  
> New items I’m considering ordering: TAF 25.0 mcg/spray

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**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\
**Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 3:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/speculation-whats-next/1812/7 "2007-01-30T03:24:54Z")

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> [@Mak](#):
>
> Try 1 Androstenone + 1 Instant Honesty.
> 
> Usually 1 to 2, but since you have the 4x Instant Honesty, that probably is the same.
> 
> This probably will get you some inquisitive attention, so I’d suggest you won’t see it working well until you mix it with a pleasant attitude and a relaxed smile.
> 
> I’d spray separately, ie, not mix.

Good call out; I can do that. I used the -none with Inst.Honesty and some other molecules and got some fascinating results that I put in the thread called “Overdose quantity.” (Can’t put in link, it goes awry no matter how I format it.)

> [@Carrie](#):
>
> What did you think of Asian Persuasion, Mark? (Sorry if you already reported, I must have missed it)
> 
> Have you experimented with Mystery Boy much yet?

My MX200 and MX201 results were equivocal; once, with MX201 I got IOIs from Asian men, which was unexpected, I didn’t see any traceable response from Asian women with MX200 except one: Mistress M. runs the weekly Karaoke sessions at a local bar and she’s delightfully Asian, and despite being 25 years my junior, I can say with a ε\<0.005 confidence that she wants me. Well, she wants back and shoulder massage at the bar, at least. A delightful woman, but I won’t pursue more than a friendship at this point.

So: more inquiry needed is my interim conclusion. I would really like to be able to purchase some of the MXs in 30 ml bottles, and not in the To-Go – the small portions are perfect for (free) trial, and getting broad field report participation, but they are much too dear to buy. (At $14.95 per 5 ml , that’s a clean $90 for the standard cobalt blue 30 ml bottle; I have other priorities.) I think the MX200-201 deserves more experimentation. From what I can discern from Jasmin’s introductory comment, MX203 is a reprise of MX200, perhaps even a higher dose rate. I may order P93 (MX201) at some point in the future, or not.

I’ve only tried Mystery Boy once, but in mixed company, not in the context it was designed for (a party for gay men) and I got the same kind of responses I get from wearing A314 and Inst.Shine alone – the Mystery Boy was a “layer on” after work, over the A314 and Inst.Shine base. I plan to do a scrub down to “bare canvas” this next weekend and try Mystery Boy all on it’s own – on a planned visit to a mostly gay dance club with friends. I’ll let you know what develops.

> [@toilofday](#):
>
> Get some Taa oil. I was also curious about mx200.

I am waiting on Oil of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) (2x or 4x strength) instead of going for the quick hit on TAA oil. TAA might be a stand-up triple, but Shine, for me, is a Grand Slam, just like A314. (Michael, Jasmin??) I hope that a 4x Shine Oil will be available within a couple of weeks, and damn the cost. :o

> [@PheroQuirk](#):
>
> EST is not cheap (particularly at the 25mcg + dose I have found interesting results with when experimenting), but it opens a whole new section in the phero library. Tacitus is probably the EST-king… I have yet to combine EST with mind machines.
> 
> If you order the TAF, maybe play around a little with the 25-50mcg dose but for everyday wear I guess more like 5 mcg would do the job so you might want to dilute it quite substantially.
> 
> I’m also partial to TAC, TAL and TAH and would say Instant Female Magic/Androstadienone should be a staple, even if it’s not as fun/spectacular/weird as many of the others.

\*\ ***Estratetraenol** , **estra-1,3,5(10),16-tetraen-3-ol,** from Pharmacom is about $35 for 10 Mg dissolved in 10ml of alcohol. Undiluted, that would be 150 mcg per spray compared to Androtics product. The 150 mcg per spray from Androtics is $218 for 30 ml – more than twice as costly as the Pharmacom product.

Androtics 30 ml of 50mcg / spray of EST is $80. The 10Mg/10ml from Pharmacom dilutes to exactly 30 ml at 50 mcg / spray … $35.

So, I have to ask how quality is measured. Pharmacom claims to have an assay done for each pheromone produced, and they are advertising an Assay: **99.6** % purity for the EST they are selling now. I don’t know how to objectively assess the more-than-double price difference vis-a-vis ‘street effectiveness’. Pharmacom says it’s also committed to a no-questions asked, 100% customer satisfaction, money-back guarantee.

However, Pharmacom **doesn’t** have a forum like this, and I’m going to be loyal to Androtics to some degree just for creating and supporting this community; I’m happy to pay a reasonable “forum tax” as a price premium to Androtics as a result, and it is possible that the molecule quality difference is enough to completely justify the gap in cost. I’ll learn more as I go on.

With TAF, I would definitely work the dosage from the 50mcg level UP and from the 10mcg level DOWN – I’ve seen the reports from tacitus and others.

I don’t know what I would do with TAC, TAH, or TAL – and I hope you’ll give some suggestions for how to play with those molecules.

> [@PheroQuirk](#):
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> Also, highly recommend tac-style reapplication. So apply base mix + at least one layer to reapply throughout the course of the evening (particularly for what seem to be the more volatile pheromones - Androstenol, EST, TAA/Shine). Seems to improve consistency a great deal.

Good call out; I do carry pocket sprays to relayer for all of the more volatile spray (which means I sometimes have 5 to-go size sprays in my pocket at a time 🙄.)

* * *

Thanks to all for these observations and ideas. I want to be more … planful … in my phero-pioneering (pheroneering?) so I don’t waste my resources, which I feel I did with MX200-201.

Thanks again. Good food for thought.

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**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\
**Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 3:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/speculation-whats-next/1812/8 "2007-01-30T03:56:27Z")

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> [@MarkL](#):
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> Mistress M. runs the weekly Karaoke sessions at a local bar and she’s delightfully Asian, and despite being 25 years my junior, I can say with a ε\<0.005 confidence that she wants me.

You so funny!

thanks for another exquisitely analytical post! 🙂

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**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\
**Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 4:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/speculation-whats-next/1812/9 "2007-01-30T04:17:51Z")

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> [@Carrie](#):
>
> You so funny!

😃+++++++

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**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2007, 3:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/speculation-whats-next/1812/10 "2007-01-31T03:05:39Z")

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MarkL,

Did you get any hit from mx200 regarless of if they were asian?

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**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2007, 4:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/speculation-whats-next/1812/11 "2007-01-31T04:39:08Z")

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> [@toilofday](#):
>
> Did you get any hit from mx200 regarless of if they were asian?

Yes, more than a few IOIs, even a few DIHL and kino level hits that I attribute to MX200, but which COULD have been from A314+Spaceland+[Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) carryover. My experimentation with MX200 was not precise/careful enough, it was layered on my day-base, so I only have “hunches” about the effects.