# Spray vs. sprays?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 17, 2014, 9:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spray-vs-sprays/61148 "2014-02-17T21:19:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2014, 9:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spray-vs-sprays/61148/1 "2014-02-17T21:19:42Z")
So what’s better? 1 high dose spray or some low dose sprays spread out to equal the same? Ex: 1 spray 5mcg TUTH on center of neck or… 2 sprays 2.5mcg TUTH on each side of neck. The reason I ask is I’ve been spraying 2 sprays 2.5 mcg TUTH and been getting good results. I’m thinking about buying a 5 mcg spray bottle of TUTH, but if it’s at the cost of effectiveness..then I may reconsider. Thanks Jdub ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2014, 10:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spray-vs-sprays/61148/2 "2014-02-17T22:28:58Z")
Where its just two sprays vs one, I’d say better to stick to two and have it spread it out to improve diffusion but where its more, go to 2x. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2014, 11:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spray-vs-sprays/61148/3 "2014-02-17T23:07:44Z")
Thanks mobocaster, once again your wisdom doesn’t cease to amaze me.. I figured logically it would make more sense to have the two.. But what do you mean by “where it’s more, go to 2x” ..? Do you mean if it’s more than two sprays vs. one, ? For example.. 4 sprays vs. 1. .?? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 12:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spray-vs-sprays/61148/4 "2014-02-18T00:07:43Z")
No, go for a stronger product to minimise the number of sprays above two and for better overall economy. Personally, at my age 4 sprays standard TUTH is pretty normal, so I usually go for 2 of 2x instead. It won’t make a huge difference to scent for something in [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/) like TUTH but for something stronger like Ammo or in a mix that requires a number of sprays of several products, it will help keep the amount of scent sensible. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 12:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spray-vs-sprays/61148/5 "2014-02-18T00:11:05Z")
Ok so with two it’s fine, but going above is when one should introduce 2x. Got it ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 12:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spray-vs-sprays/61148/6 "2014-02-18T00:18:32Z")
Once you have found out your dose range - and the number of sprays works out ok, yes. Also if you are in your 30s/over 40, its probably fairly safe to go with the 2x from the off due to your inevitable natural reduction in none output. Its still probably better to find your dose with the 1x product to begin with though - esp if you end-up needing an odd number of sprays. although a combination of 2x and 1x is still quite viable. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 12:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spray-vs-sprays/61148/7 "2014-02-18T00:29:03Z")
Ok I see. I’ve found that 5mcg TUTH and 25mcg TAC seemed to be my sweet spot. I figured that’s 2 (2.5mcg) sprays TUTH and 2 (12.5mcg) sprays TAC. I’m actually thinking about mixing the two in a bottle to get 2.5 mcg TUTH and 12.5mcg TAC per spray. Is there any way known to do this with the 30mL bottles? I guess I’ll have to do the math and find the ratios myself, correct? If so what do I add to dilute each product? Regular alcohol from the store? ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 1:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spray-vs-sprays/61148/8 "2014-02-18T01:42:59Z")
I have a mixing question now.. 1st: my desired amount… I want to have 2.5mcg TUTH per spray and 12.5mcg TAC per spray.. Which equals 15mcg total..(all in the same 1 spray) I want to be able to do this by buying a 30mL TUTH (5mcg/spray), a 30mL TAC (25mcg/spray), a empty 30mL bottles, measuring devices, and some PA.. 2nd: The process.. Based on my calculations… If I mixed a 1:1 ratio of the TUTH and TAC I should be able to have 30mcg/spray (5 mcg TUTH and 25 mcg TAC).. Afterwards I would mix a 1:1 ratio of the mix from above with a PA, thus giving me 15mcg/spray (2.5mcg TUTH and 12.5mcg TAC) 3rd: my questions.. How do I make sure it’s mixed uniformly? Should I just shake it real hard for a certain amount of time? Do my calculations appear correct? And if so, could I just do it per mL instead of using a 1:1 ratio? For example… 7.5mL TUTH (5mcg/spray) + 7.5mL TAC (25mcg/spray) + 15mL PA = 30mL TUTH/TAC (15mcg/spray (2.5mcg TUTH + 12.5mcg TAC))…??? ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 5:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spray-vs-sprays/61148/9 "2014-02-18T05:44:16Z")
Ok I think I’ve caught an error..hmm It seems as though a 1:1 of TUTH/TAC would be all I need at 5mcg/spray TUTH and 25mcg/spray TAC.. Creating a 2.5mcg TUTH/12.5mcg TAC per spray.. I’m thinking by adding 30mL of anything to a 30mL bottle of TUTH with 5mcg/spray will cause it to be 60mL at 2.5mcg per spray… And the same effect with TAC.. So if I buy my 5mcg/spray TUTH and my 25mcg/spray TAC and mix them in a 1:1 mix I should get my desired effects.. 15mL TUTH + 15mL TAC Can someone correct me if I’m wrong? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 12:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spray-vs-sprays/61148/10 "2014-02-18T12:35:23Z")
Second post looks about right. 🙂 The easiest way to make a working mix from 30mls is just to get a little perfume funnel and combine the appropriate number of sprays in a togo. I seldom mix more than a full togo’s worth at any one time (more usually just enough for a long weekend/few days) for carrying convenience - That way if you decide to change your mix or want to introduce something else, or just plain get it wrong, you won’t be looking at a lot of wasted product. Then you can use a measuring pippette to work in ml quantities, yes. It tend to work with sprays for AD stuff and ml for NPA and the like. Pipettes can be got from pharmacists/medical suppliers or by the boxfull off Ebay for not a lot. Disposables save hassle in cleaning etc. If mixing from putatives/single molecules, drops from pipettes can also ve a viable measure, so long as you keep everything consistant Bottles, Perfumers Alcohol (scented or not) etc can all be got under the Supplies Tab, which saves hassle. Unscented PA can reduce diffusion, unless you are adding your own scents/diffusion promoters. After mixing, shake very well and leave to stand for a few hours, then repeat. alcohol should be fully mixed by then. Oils need a lot more mixing/standing stages, maybe up to a fortnight, shaking twice daily to allow the pheros to distribute evenly, unless you have access to an electric shaker. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 3:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spray-vs-sprays/61148/11 "2014-02-18T15:45:58Z")
Thanks mobocaster. Ok yeah I think I’ll try in the Togo spray bottles for now before I mix a giant disaster. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 2:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spray-vs-sprays/61148/12 "2015-10-23T02:53:14Z")
Haha so a year later I finally buy the 5mcg TUTH and 20mcg TAC and am now trying it out.. Today I messed up and over sprayed the TUTH and ended up with 1.5-2 sprays TUTH, possibly 7.5-10mcg TUTH with 20 mcg TAC. Definitely NOT my sweet spot and repelled women and made men look at me as if I was a threat or something. Tomorrow I plan to go easy and make sure to spray 1 spray of each. I figured its worth testing it this way before I start mixing. I was thinking about doing a 50/50 mix of TUTH 5mcg with TAC 20mcg.. I figure if I do this, each spray will be 2.5mcg TUTH and 10mcg TAC and then I can spray two sprays on either side of neck. Question… Could it be problematic to mix TUTH and TAC..? As in will it make either one of them less effective? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 11:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spray-vs-sprays/61148/13 "2015-10-23T11:36:45Z")
Not at all. I know AD don’t encourage it for testing purposes but IME the main issue with mixing is that if you don’t have the right mix/proportions, you end-up with a wasted batch that can be difficult to steer back to something useful - but if you already have your dose, its not a problem. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 1:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spray-vs-sprays/61148/14 "2015-10-23T13:55:09Z")
Ok great. Do you know of where I can find measuring tools in ml locally? I’m trying to avoid having to wait for shipping if I can. Like a store that might carry them? The last time I bought one (from RiteAid) it had the ml on the outside in black and the alcohol just smeared it all off and after one use I couldn’t read the levels anymore. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 3:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spray-vs-sprays/61148/15 "2015-10-23T15:21:17Z")
After messing around with your special mix I am doing the exact same thing. A while back I bought 500 pipettes 1ML on ebay for $17 shipped. I will be using the 5ML bottles and bought 100 on ebay for $45 shipped. I have learned to use Teflon thread tape(used for plumbing pipe), I use 3 wraps around threads of the 5ML bottle and they don’t leak. I have mixed things in the past but it was more of a mess, but this was my fault and I mixed the wrong things or not right. I bought TUTH 2X and TAC 50 MCG and I have pure Hedione. I was going to mix 2.5ML TUTH with 1ML TAC and 1.5ML Hedione in a 5 ML bottle. Each spray should give me 1 spray TUTH, 10MCG TAC, and 30% Hedione. Let me know if my calculations are off but I think they are right. So if you do the mix definitely let us know how it goes. I am waiting my order so I can make it also. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 3:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spray-vs-sprays/61148/16 "2015-10-23T15:41:11Z")
Haha I’ve been thinking about doing the exact same thing lately! Those numbers look dead on. I bet this will make it way more cost effective and easier to spray. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 3:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spray-vs-sprays/61148/17 "2015-10-23T15:50:49Z")
I was thinking the same exact thing. I am using the ratios that worked good for me and so I can spray 2 to 3 sprays. I went with 5ML bottles because of Mobocasters advice that if it is messed up it isn’t as much product to waste. I am just waiting on my next order and I will mix it for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 4:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spray-vs-sprays/61148/18 "2015-10-23T16:09:00Z")
I think I will do that next time too.. With the Hedione. It would be nice to just grab one spray bottle and do two quick spray and be on my way.. With the 5mcg TUTH, and 20mcg TAC, I can’t seem to come up with ratios that would allow the 2.5mcg TUTH and 10mcg TAC with 30% Hedione.. Can you think of one? ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 4:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spray-vs-sprays/61148/19 "2015-10-23T16:25:55Z")
I was thinking I could do this… 25% Hedione 25% TUTH 25% TAC 25% PA Then it will be 4 sprays.. Unless someone can think of something better… ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 4:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spray-vs-sprays/61148/20 "2015-10-23T16:49:46Z")
On a side note… Doesn’t the 5ml spray bottle spray less than the 30ml? I imagine that the amount sprayed would be different.. Not sure if it’s negligible though. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spray-vs-sprays/61148.md?page=2)