# Starting to get a tad bit frustrated. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 24, 2011, 2:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-get-a-tad-bit-frustrated/50905 "2011-06-24T02:23:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Alextract](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alextract/32/1014_2.png) [@Alextract](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Alextract)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 2:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-get-a-tad-bit-frustrated/50905/1 "2011-06-24T02:23:44Z")
So I’ve been wearing A314 for the past 2 days and haven’t seen a whole lot of hits. I suppose I’d be lying if I said I didn’t get any at all. But today I added IS to it and I didn’t get the happy self-effect and it didn’t appear to really affect a lot of people around me. I applied 2 drops of A314 to my ear lobe and under my nose with 3 spraysof IS to my shirt. 3 or so hours later I could hardly detect the smell anymore so I went and reapplied with half a drop to the wrists (shared 1/2 drop) with 2-3 sprays of IO to my wrists. They probably died 2-2.5 hours later and reapplied 2 drops to the neck and half a drop to the wrists of A314 and 2 sprays of IS to my shirt and only lasted about 2 hours. It seems like the more I use them the less amount of time they last. I’m pretty sure I didn’t OD because people acted normal around me with maybe a little more upbeatness towards me than usual. Should I apply more, less, same or what? Idk what to think lol, how am I doing? ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 2:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-get-a-tad-bit-frustrated/50905/2 "2011-06-24T02:44:50Z")
You are 20. A314 might be too serious or an unusual vibe from you. It takes time for people to adjust to your vibe of a314. Certainly not a bad thing since after a week or two, you will be like 😮 ---
**Author:** ![rolandcubed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@rolandcubed](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rolandcubed)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 2:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-get-a-tad-bit-frustrated/50905/3 "2011-06-24T02:51:35Z")
Yeah, what pherojack said. You applied a ton of a314. Is this your first product? A314 is way to intense IMO for someone who would be just starting out with [pheromones](https://a314.com/). You also risk ODing because a314 in the oil form lasts up to 8 hours! You’re quite young, none is a product that you must must must must must must must must must must must must must must must must must be careful with because you are already producing tons of it. IG would have been a better suggestion if you wanted a mature vibe out of you. It’s not in the store right now but this is one of my favorites. Besides, it will help us to know what kind of hits are you looking for? Be very specific. If you’re looking for sexual attraction hits, you might not get it with a314 but you might with ammo or even IJ. IJ has a lot of none per spray but I believe there are also steering molecules which affect the way people will perceive you. Let us know what kind of hits you’re trying to get and please be specific so we can tell you what a314 can or can’t do. Generally, IMO, a314 is great for business application. I haven’t tested it yet but this is how I view it. ---
**Author:** ![Alextract](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alextract/32/1014_2.png) [@Alextract](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Alextract)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 2:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-get-a-tad-bit-frustrated/50905/4 "2011-06-24T02:59:27Z")
Yeah A314 was my very first mone I tried out and I’m almost 100% positive that I didn’t OD even though I used a bunch. People still talked to me, even those who didn’t know me (I work retail). A314 has motivated me to be a bit more talkative and playful so I don’t give off the “I’m too good for all ya” vibe. I 've been using A314 because I want the respectful hits that it describes. Some people tend to be assholes to me but with the 2 days I’ve been wearing this, I’m not getting a whole lot of negativity surprisingly. And if someone does give me a bit of attitude, they don’t have it for long. I think it’s working well for me but I could be wrong, is this the wrong way to go about it? I do feel way more confident. Today I used it with IS and IO so maybe that helped to not make it so intense lol. I also have [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and TuTH. I do want to use A314 for a couple of more days so I start transitioning into the Alpha behavior and then play around a little more with the other products, what do you guys think? ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 3:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-get-a-tad-bit-frustrated/50905/5 "2011-06-24T03:12:28Z")
> [@Alextract](#): > > Yeah A314 was my very first mone I tried out and I’m almost 100% positive that I didn’t OD even though I used a bunch. People still talked to me, even those who didn’t know me (I work retail). A314 has motivated me to be a bit more talkative and playful so I don’t give off the “I’m too good for all ya” vibe. I 've been using A314 because I want the respectful hits that it describes. Some people tend to be assholes to me but with the 2 days I’ve been wearing this, I’m not getting a whole lot of negativity surprisingly. And if someone does give me a bit of attitude, they don’t have it for long. I think it’s working well for me but I could be wrong, is this the wrong way to go about it? I do feel way more confident. Today I used it with IS and IO so maybe that helped to not make it so intense lol. I also have Ammo and TuTH. I do want to use A314 for a couple of more days so I start transitioning into the Alpha behavior and then play around a little more with the other products, what do you guys think? A314 is def. working for you my friend 🙂 just keep it at 2 drops for another week. add IO and/or IS as you prefer.. keep Ammo & tuth away exceot if yu see a girl you like then use ammo.. btw dont [spray pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/spray-pheromones/) on cloth, it works better on skin. ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 3:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-get-a-tad-bit-frustrated/50905/6 "2011-06-24T03:15:41Z")
You could quite possibly be intimidating everyone with that much A314, I usually use 1 to 2 drops on a special occasion around my lip/nose for my self and if a second drop on the wrists or jawline depending if I want more exposure for other people or more for myself. Try using your socials at work with very little A314 and see how it goes 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Alextract](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alextract/32/1014_2.png) [@Alextract](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Alextract)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 3:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-get-a-tad-bit-frustrated/50905/7 "2011-06-24T03:27:58Z")
Yeah I def. got hits today whether or not I used too much or somewhat the right amount. I do remember going into the break room after I purchased an ice cream cookie and a Nestle drumstick cone. I had a coupon with my receipt and I was reading it to see if I would have any use for it. By the time I realized I had no use for it I had already been standing in the breakroom for about 3-5 seconds. I looked up and there were 4 people in the room already, all eyes on me. DEFINITELY not a usual thing now that I think about it and was sort of taken back by it (on the inside, I didn’t react to it physically). I’m liking A314 a whole lot right now, I just hope it gets better! Oh btw, I walk around a lot downtown and I keep all my bottles sealed in a ziploc baggie but do carry them around with me and it is pretty hot outside on some days while my mones are sitting in my drawstring bag. Is the heat doing anything bad to my mones if they’re sealed in a baggie and get warm? please let me know right away just in case I’m taking away the quality of my mones!!! =O ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 3:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-get-a-tad-bit-frustrated/50905/8 "2011-06-24T03:37:29Z")
one thing nobody has addressed here is this comment… > [@](#): > > 3 or so hours later I could hardly detect the smell anymore so I went and reapplied with half a drop to the wrists While the pheromones DO come with a cover scent, they usually last much longer than the scent. Two things to remember. You do NOT have to consciously smell the mones for them to work, the mechanism they work through is not in the olfactory glands so they can work even if people do are consciously aware of smelling them…think of them as SUBLIMINAL messages for you nose instead of the eyes and ears. The second thing…and this is good to know even if you’re not using pheromones. The person wearing a cologne will usually only be aware of the scent for a short while after applying, one you get used to the scent you stop noticing it. Unless another person is literally a couple of feet from you nonstop for several hours, they will still smell it every time you get near them, you move in and out of their personal space so they’re not exposed to it long enough to get accustomed to it. If you reapply cologne every time YOU are no longer able to smell it, you will very quickly earn the label of “Too much cologne guy”. ---
**Author:** ![Alextract](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alextract/32/1014_2.png) [@Alextract](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Alextract)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 3:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-get-a-tad-bit-frustrated/50905/9 "2011-06-24T03:43:41Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > one thing nobody has addressed here is this comment… > > > [@](#): > > > > [3 or so hours later I could hardly detect the smell anymore so I went and reapplied with half a drop to the wrists > > While the pheromones DO come with a cover scent, they usually last much longer than the scent. Two things to remember. > You do NOT have to consciously smell the mones for them to work, the mechanism they work through is not in the olfactory glands so they can work even if people do are consciously aware of smelling them…think of them as SUBLIMINAL messages for you nose instead of the eyes and ears. > > The second thing…and this is good to know even if you’re not using pheromones. > The person wearing a cologne will usually only be aware of the scent for a short while after applying, one you get used to the scent you stop noticing it. Unless another person is literally a couple of feet from you nonstop for several hours, they will still smell it every time you get near them, you move in and out of their personal space so they’re not exposed to it long enough to get accustomed to it. If you reapply cologne every time YOU are no longer able to smell it, you will very quickly earn the label of “Too much cologne guy”. Yeah that’s true about the wearer not smelling the cologne after a short period of time. I just start to doubt the mones when I’m unable to smell them anymore =/ But tomorrow I won’t reapply like I did today. I’ll just apply them once and keep an open mind (hopefully) xD ---
**Author:** ![Terpines](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@Terpines](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Terpines)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 3:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-get-a-tad-bit-frustrated/50905/10 "2011-06-24T03:46:50Z")
> [@Alextract](#): > > Yeah A314 was my very first mone I tried out and I’m almost 100% positive that I didn’t OD even though I used a bunch. People still talked to me, even those who didn’t know me (I work retail). A314 has motivated me to be a bit more talkative and playful so I don’t give off the “I’m too good for all ya” vibe. I 've been using A314 because I want the respectful hits that it describes. Some people tend to be assholes to me but with the 2 days I’ve been wearing this, I’m not getting a whole lot of negativity surprisingly. And if someone does give me a bit of attitude, they don’t have it for long. I think it’s working well for me but I could be wrong, is this the wrong way to go about it? I do feel way more confident. Today I used it with IS and IO so maybe that helped to not make it so intense lol. I also have Ammo and TuTH. I do want to use A314 for a couple of more days so I start transitioning into the Alpha behavior and then play around a little more with the other products, what do you guys think? Your probably not yet familiar with the subtlety effect of a pheromone and as far as pheromones go A-314 is what many say is the best there is. It’s known for a ‘James Bond’ like effect, which may not be best suited for you, but you can try and it out and adapt to the new aura. It might take some time getting use to it but you can make it work, I’m 19 and it works for me ---
**Author:** ![2000GT](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/2000gt/32/389_2.png) [@2000GT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/2000GT)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 4:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-get-a-tad-bit-frustrated/50905/11 "2011-06-24T04:02:30Z")
[quote=“Alextract, post:9, topic:50905”] > [@RADMAN513](#): > > one thing nobody has addressed here is this comment… > > Yeah that’s true about the wearer not smelling the cologne after a short period of time. I just start to doubt the mones when I’m unable to smell them anymore =/ But tomorrow I won’t reapply like I did today. I’ll just apply them once and keep an open mind (hopefully) xD Don’t give up on them just yet. It’s common for people to expect these epic sized hits. Yea, it’s true that we do get those on occasion but those are few and far between. What is more common are subtle hits, minor changes in behavior. The real trick to using pheros isn’t just knowing the right combination, it’s knowing how to read a person’s body language, tone of voice, etc, things that give an indication that their behavioral changes are at least somewhat consistent with what you’re wearing. A314 for the most part, is subtle and yet it also builds up over time, meaning that the more a person is exposed to your signature, the more they’ll adjust to it. On that point, it’s also a good idea to try and remain congruent with your signature. The most straightforward example is if you’re wearing A314 and IS at a party yet you sit in the corner avoiding everyone, the signature you’re giving off is not matching up with your body language. People will notice this. That might have been a bit much, it’s late, I’m tired and I’m rambling 😛 ---
**Author:** ![ETPhHm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8dc957/32.png) [@ETPhHm](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ETPhHm)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 4:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-get-a-tad-bit-frustrated/50905/12 "2011-06-24T04:23:59Z")
Another problem with fragrance is the neutralization of the scent to the wearer’s nose which is why some women wear fragrances way to heavy and they don’t even realize it. Ever go to the perfume counter and they have a can or bag of coffee beans? This is to flush out the neutralizing that occurs when you smell three or four fragrances and then you can’t seem to smell anything because your odor dection is overloaded. This could be part of what’s happening with you, but really what RadMan said seems to be the most important about the transport of the mone effect. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 4:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-get-a-tad-bit-frustrated/50905/13 "2011-06-24T04:28:39Z")
[quote=“Alextract, post:9, topic:50905”] > [@RADMAN513](#): > > one thing nobody has addressed here is this comment… > > Yeah that’s true about the wearer not smelling the cologne after a short period of time. I just start to doubt the mones when I’m unable to smell them anymore =/ But tomorrow I won’t reapply like I did today. I’ll just apply them once and keep an open mind (hopefully) xD On a serious note, you mention the heat. Oil based A314 lasts pretty long, even under hot conditions you should get at LEAST 6 hours of use. 8 On average and 10-12 on more temperate/cool days. Most of the sprays are effective for about 4 hours under average temperatures. Maybe 3 hours if it’s a real scorcher. Remember though that None is sticky, most people find it hard to wash off when you’re TRYING to get rid of it…so it probably lasts longer as well. Instant Shine is the exception, that one you might find you do have to reapply more often, I don’t know the science behind it, I assume the molecules are lighter or something but Shine while awesome tends to wear off the quickest. That you can probably refresh every 2-3 hours on a hot day, every 4 on average temp days. Since you’re new to this I wanna tell you a couple of things. First, in the long run…nothing beats actually testing each product solo with a good “sweet spot” testing period. This means choose ONE product and apply a single dose…don’t look to hard for hits, just be socially aware and alert so that if they come you notice. Spend a few days doing just a single spray…don’t keep applying every hour until something happens. Just one spray, then refresh after 4 hours. I apply at 8:30 AM right before my shift, I leave for lunch at noon and reapply at about 12:45 for a dose to carry me through the second half of the day. After a couple of days at one spray, try a few days at two…then three etc. It’s time consuming and will try your patience when you’re super eager but if this is something you’re hoping to get results with that will LAST and help you in the LONG TERM it really is the best way to go. I would suggest testing A314 last, it’s a dichotomy. The most important product AD makes imo but also the most subtle. Every product they make I can see VERY noticeable results with almost instantly…but when I started with A314 I almost gave up on it. The hits can be subtle AT FIRST, but they build on each other over time and after using for a couple of weeks I looked back and was like “wtf…is this really happening?” I think it’s subtle for two reasons. First, as an oil it diffuses slower…which actually makes it great for work, it lasts all day and no need to refresh. Second, it’s an alpha male trust and respect based product. The people you deal with daily already have their own notions about you and your status on the totem pole. It can take time for them to change that opinion, especially when it elevates you to a status above them. I believe that it’s normal for people to feel an almost instinctive inclination to wait and see if you’re really as alpha as you seem. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 6:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-get-a-tad-bit-frustrated/50905/14 "2011-06-24T06:43:08Z")
Keep this in mind with A314. A314 is tricky. You have to lead with it. Its causes awe, respect and sometimes intimidation. Now these traits can be attractive but not approachable and Ishine is not going to cause the pull you need on its own to draw them in. You have to do that part more yourself with A314. Steve and Harris have often said if your shy or not willing to lead dont start out with A314. You have to know how to work it so its not always the best first product for someone. See A314 works a little different pheromonally. It conveys something about you. Its more of a information mix where as other pheromones and mixes can be Signalers and releasers which cause a behavior change. So if you were hoping to see more of a behavior change in people and have them attract and approach then AMMO or the socials are the way to go. Remember not to judge how your pheromones are working by how they make you feel. Half of those who use them never get self effects and those effects are short lived. Self effects are not really the function of mones. The only reason people feel them when they wear them is because its foreign to your natural signature. > [@Rad](#): > > Instant Shine is the exception, that one you might find you do have to reapply more often Yes TAA is molecularly lighter then some of the other mones which is why it diffuses a bit quicker Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 9:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-get-a-tad-bit-frustrated/50905/15 "2011-06-24T09:48:31Z")
> [@Alextract](#): > > But today I added IS to it and I didn’t get the happy self-effect and it didn’t appear to really affect a lot of people around me. While A314 works, I don’t get any happy self effects from IS either nor do I see it doing very much for people around me. Really confusing to see most here on the forum praise IS when I get pretty close to nothing out of it myself. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Pandakun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pandakun/32/953_2.png) [@Pandakun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pandakun)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 9:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-get-a-tad-bit-frustrated/50905/16 "2011-06-24T09:59:35Z")
> [@Misein](#): > > While A314 works, I don’t get any happy self effects from IS either nor do I see it doing very much for people around me. Really confusing to see most here on the forum praise IS when I get pretty close to nothing out of it myself. 😕 Everyone is Different… I Don’t get Any Effects from IS Myself… However I Have Found that Certain Products Actually Work Better for Me then Other People here… For Example [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) is Liquid Gold for Me, Even When Used Alone… Granted it’s Best with Little Social Mixed in… I’m Careful with what Little I have Left as It’s Been out of Stock for Awhile now… When and If it Come Available Again I have afew Situations that I’d like to Test it Under… ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 12:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-get-a-tad-bit-frustrated/50905/17 "2011-06-24T12:34:55Z")
I would suggest you give A314 oil at least a month and try a range of doses from one drop upwards for several days before you make any decisions. Also, have you thought clearly about how you want to use pheros and begun to adjust your behaviours/body language/projected personality to be congruent with it but you may find that as a 20yr old, a lighter status product like IG might be more suitable? ---
**Author:** ![ETPhHm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8dc957/32.png) [@ETPhHm](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ETPhHm)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 2:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-get-a-tad-bit-frustrated/50905/18 "2011-06-24T14:37:00Z")
Wow! Lots of really good input to work with here, Alextract! ---
**Author:** ![spamz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/48db29/32.png) [@spamz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/spamz)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 10:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-get-a-tad-bit-frustrated/50905/19 "2011-06-24T22:43:22Z")
i havent used 314, but in general the effects of mones are subtle. if u want to get blatant actions from a mone then use none at work. peoples personalities will really come out. the haters are gonna hate, the followers are gonna follow, the extroverted sexed up women will hit on you, the shy girls will get in the fetal position. its pretty crazy. but not recommended cause it can cause aggression towards u also. when using mones you kind of have to be a people watcher, and pick up on subtle nuances that will give away how this person is feeling. then you just go with it and reinforce whatever this person is feeling or not, depending on your agenda. also keep in mind that at work, or with friends etc. they already had an image in their minds of how they perceive you. so sometimes with mones its a matter of changing that and it could take some time. have fun with it.