# SteveO put the S back into Sexi... **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 3, 2009, 12:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/steveo-put-the-s-back-into-sexi/29512 "2009-06-03T00:02:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 11:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/steveo-put-the-s-back-into-sexi/29512/201 "2009-06-14T23:06:47Z")
> [@happykitsune](#): > > **We** are spending **Our** money to buy these consumer products. And **we** are using **our** energy to test something we have been assured will work. In a way we are apart of the company because we are testing and reporting for their benefit. I spend my hard earned money to buy products that have been guaranteed to me to work. I haven’t had a problem with a consumer product yet, but if there is a problem than Androtics needs to fix it if they want to keep their reputation (and their customers). Diane said, and I quote: > [@](#): > > But the fact is, **Androtics is the one who is investing all their effort and money and creative energy into formulations, not you, not me. And they can formulate any way they please.** she was very accurate. you are spending _your_ money on something they claim will work. has tweaking them changed the fact that they work ? are you getting product in exchange for your money? if using your own energy to test a product designed to enhance _your life_ is letting you down, by all means go on strike. i personally dont feel like they OWE me, but that is how you come across, even if you dont mean to. with the FREE product they send with their packages, the service they provide and fact that they even care enough to tweak ANYTHING, i think we are pretty damn lucky. i know i dont feel let down 🙄 so…how again is Diane wrong? ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 11:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/steveo-put-the-s-back-into-sexi/29512/202 "2009-06-14T23:26:17Z")
I don’t mean to come off as saying they owe us anything more than what they say. But if there is a problem than they owe it to us, the customers, to fix it. I never said I felt let down. In fact I said I loved their products at the end of my post and that I didn’t want to be let down. Not saying they have. But with all the skepticism going around it’s hard to decide whats true and what isn’t. I just don’t want to be taken advantage of. For now I trust Androtics. They haven’t lost my business. > [@Lor](#): > > Diane said, and I quote: > > she was very accurate. > > you are spending _your_ money on something they claim will work. > > has tweaking them changed the fact that they work ? > > are you getting product in exchange for your money? > > if using your own energy to test a product designed to enhance _your life_ is letting you down, by all means go on strike. > > i personally dont feel like they OWE me, but that is how you come across, > even if you dont mean to. > > with the FREE product they send with their packages, > the service they provide > and > fact that they even care enough to tweak ANYTHING, > i think we are pretty damn lucky. > > i know i dont feel let down 🙄 > > so…how again is Diane wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 11:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/steveo-put-the-s-back-into-sexi/29512/203 "2009-06-14T23:44:11Z")
> [@happykitsune](#): > > I don’t mean to come off as saying they owe us anything more than what they say. But if there is a problem than they owe it to us, the customers, to fix it. > > I never said I felt let down. In fact I said I loved their products at the end of my post and that I didn’t want to be let down. Not saying they have. But with all the skepticism going around it’s hard to decide whats true and what isn’t. I just don’t want to be taken advantage of. For now I trust Androtics. They haven’t lost my business. 🆒 i think that the problems themselves are dependant on those _percieving_ the problems. its more personal than general. most of us here dont have reason to have issue. the ones affected, well they are _definately_ entitled to company feedback. the ones with issues should definately have them adressed. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 11:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/steveo-put-the-s-back-into-sexi/29512/204 "2009-06-14T23:53:26Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > 🆒 > > i think that the problems themselves are dependant on those _percieving_ the problems. > its more personal than general. > > most of us here dont have reason to have issue. > > the ones affected, > well they are _definately_ entitled to company feedback. > the ones with issues should definately have them adressed. > > 🙂 Exactly what I’ve been saying 🙂 Now I’m going to unsubscribe. I’m waiting for an email from the rat lady and everytime someone comments here I get excited x.x ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 1:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/steveo-put-the-s-back-into-sexi/29512/205 "2009-06-16T01:11:44Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > … > The Consumer Products are also subject to change. Case in point is A314. Originally, it was formulated with 8 pheromones. It has been tweaked again and again both with formulation and scent. Today it has 16 pheromones I believe. We can label that practice as anything you want to label it. But the fact is, **Androtics is the one who is investing all their effort and money and creative energy into formulations, not you, not me. And they can formulate any way they please.** Other than the original A314 formula, which was sold, Androtics has yet to do a full commercial launch of any product. Until then they are _all_ still in development. > … > [@happykitsune](#): > > That’s where you are wrong. Actually, you’ve been wrong on a lot of things, but we’re human, it happens. > > **We** are spending **Our** money to buy these consumer products. And **we** are using **our** energy to test something we have been assured will work. In a way we are apart of the company because we are testing and reporting for their benefit. I spend my hard earned money to buy products that have been guaranteed to me to work. I haven’t had a problem with a consumer product yet, but if there is a problem than Androtics needs to fix it if they want to keep their reputation (and their customers). > > Much love to Androtics. I love your stuff. Please don’t let me down. OK So far this sounds like the well reasoned opinion of an articulate woman. In fact, except for the heartfelt profession of love, this is probably a good example of today’s aware, involved consumer in any modern market. Then we had: > [@Lor](#): > > Diane said, and I quote: > > > [@](#): > > > > But the fact is, **Androtics is the one who is investing all their effort and money and creative energy into formulations, not you, not me. And they can formulate any way they pleas** e. > > she was very accurate. > > you are spending _your_ money on something they claim will work. > … > i personally dont feel like they OWE me, but that is how you come across, > even if you dont mean to. > … > fact that they even care enough to tweak ANYTHING, > i think we are pretty damn lucky. > … > so…how again is Diane wrong? _ **Huhhh???** _ We go from, it’s their money and they can do anything they want, to it’s your money and they don’t owe you anything for it. In fact, you’re very fortunate that they pay an attention to you at all. Now just because something doesn’t make sense to me, I don’t just dismiss it out of hand. I really try to make sense of things. With the recent thread [How much money have you spent on pheros???](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-much-money-have-you-spent-on-pheros/29662) it’s obvious that _ **it is our money.** _ On average about $100 USD per month per active user of our money. Y’all know how I work. I was prepared to splice together a dozen or more quotes of everyones specific objections with a handful of links and few hundred words on market forces, consumer demand, the value of customers, etc. What took me so long is that I was that I was rereading really trying understand what Diane and Lor have been trying to say. I was disappointed to find that the only logical pattern that I could find was to purposely talk around and past the real issues in an attempt to paint them as non-problems, and adressing specific objections as though they said something entirely different in a consistent pattern of attempting to represent a widespred discontent as lack of understanding or knowledge and a series of personal problems. What drew me off my natural path of market/customers was that two little things here at the end here continued to irritate me. > [@diane999](#): > > Wow, you are a little late to this party, aren’t you? > > It is resolved. Get over it. > > Diane > [@Lor](#): > > 🆒 > > i think that the problems themselves are dependant on those _percieving_ the problems. > its more personal than general. > > most of us here dont have reason to have issue. > … Sit down and shut up. and You must have a personal problem. And then the pattern fell in place. It started to make some kind of sense. Lor and Diane, I think you both know that I think highly of you. Lor your wealth of experience is legend. Diane the depth of your technical knowledge is honestly impressive and your willingnes to experiment, truly couragous. You know that I qoute both of you extensively in other threads. I have repped both of you again recently. I follow and enjoy both of your journals. But out here in the open forum if your purpose has been to consistently irritate and alienate more and more of the forum members, you’re making steady progress. If not, then you’ve been steadily screwin’ up. OoohYahhh ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 1:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/steveo-put-the-s-back-into-sexi/29512/206 "2009-06-16T01:24:42Z")
> [@](#): > > Exactly what I’ve been saying 🙂 this was happykitsune’s last post. in reply to mine. follow someone _else_ around the forum and twist _their_ words around. find someone else “fascinating”. i stand behind what i said… _those that have the issue_ (never DID say it was happy’s issue. even SHE knew that 🙄) should and have every right to have them addressed. _those that never had an issue_ (but jumped on that train anyway) wont be satisfied because these issues didnt affect them _personally_. > [@](#): > > Lor and Diane, I think you both know that I think highly of you. Lor your wealth of experience is legend. Diane the depth of your technical knowledge is honestly impressive and your willingnes to experiment, truly couragous. You know that I qoute both of you extensively in other threads. I have repped both of you again recently. I follow and enjoy both of your journals. i was never here to make friends. that was just frosting on the cake. if i alienate anyone by being honest,so be it. I AM NOT HERE TO WIN A POPULARITY CONTEST. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 1:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/steveo-put-the-s-back-into-sexi/29512/207 "2009-06-16T01:28:12Z")
Diane has a journal? wow. now im late to the party ! ☹ ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 1:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/steveo-put-the-s-back-into-sexi/29512/208 "2009-06-16T01:51:37Z")
oh my goodness… ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 10:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/steveo-put-the-s-back-into-sexi/29512/209 "2009-06-16T22:37:59Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > this was happykitsune’s last post. > in reply to mine. > > follow someone _else_ around the forum and twist _their_ words around. > find someone else “fascinating”. > > i stand behind what i said… > > _those that have the issue_ > (never DID say it was happy’s issue. even SHE knew that 🙄) > should and have every right to have them addressed. > > _ **those that never had an issue** _ > (but jumped on that train anyway) > wont be satisfied because these issues didnt affect them _personally_.\*\* > > i was never here to make friends. > that was just frosting on the cake. > if i alienate anyone by being honest,so be it. > I AM NOT HERE TO WIN A POPULARITY CONTEST. _I finally got that email from the rat lady and got my 2 baby rats 🙂 So now I’ve decided to post again._ I never said I had an issue, but the fact that others were having issues caused me to become apart of this “mess”. If one or more people are having a problem with a company than there could be (notice I said could be) cause for worry. And I don’t want to not trust a company I’m purchasing from. Like I said, I don’t want to be taken advantage of and I don’t want someone to just throw these issues under the rug. And hearing things like what Diane said made me feel like the company didn’t care and wanted to keep secrets from us. It looks like Jasmine and MHarris are doing a good job at finally listening to us and I admire that in them. They really care about us. But I’m not so quick to rest easily just yet. I’m keeping a close eye and will be watching for more updates on how they will fix these issues. I hope to see great things from them in the future 🙂 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/steveo-put-the-s-back-into-sexi/29512.md?page=10)