# SteveO put the S back into Sexi... **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 3, 2009, 12:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/steveo-put-the-s-back-into-sexi/29512 "2009-06-03T00:02:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 205
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 1:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/steveo-put-the-s-back-into-sexi/29512/205 "2009-06-16T01:11:44Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > … > The Consumer Products are also subject to change. Case in point is A314. Originally, it was formulated with 8 pheromones. It has been tweaked again and again both with formulation and scent. Today it has 16 pheromones I believe. We can label that practice as anything you want to label it. But the fact is, **Androtics is the one who is investing all their effort and money and creative energy into formulations, not you, not me. And they can formulate any way they please.** Other than the original A314 formula, which was sold, Androtics has yet to do a full commercial launch of any product. Until then they are _all_ still in development. > … > [@happykitsune](#): > > That’s where you are wrong. Actually, you’ve been wrong on a lot of things, but we’re human, it happens. > > **We** are spending **Our** money to buy these consumer products. And **we** are using **our** energy to test something we have been assured will work. In a way we are apart of the company because we are testing and reporting for their benefit. I spend my hard earned money to buy products that have been guaranteed to me to work. I haven’t had a problem with a consumer product yet, but if there is a problem than Androtics needs to fix it if they want to keep their reputation (and their customers). > > Much love to Androtics. I love your stuff. Please don’t let me down. OK So far this sounds like the well reasoned opinion of an articulate woman. In fact, except for the heartfelt profession of love, this is probably a good example of today’s aware, involved consumer in any modern market. Then we had: > [@Lor](#): > > Diane said, and I quote: > > > [@](#): > > > > But the fact is, **Androtics is the one who is investing all their effort and money and creative energy into formulations, not you, not me. And they can formulate any way they pleas** e. > > she was very accurate. > > you are spending _your_ money on something they claim will work. > … > i personally dont feel like they OWE me, but that is how you come across, > even if you dont mean to. > … > fact that they even care enough to tweak ANYTHING, > i think we are pretty damn lucky. > … > so…how again is Diane wrong? _ **Huhhh???** _ We go from, it’s their money and they can do anything they want, to it’s your money and they don’t owe you anything for it. In fact, you’re very fortunate that they pay an attention to you at all. Now just because something doesn’t make sense to me, I don’t just dismiss it out of hand. I really try to make sense of things. With the recent thread [How much money have you spent on pheros???](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-much-money-have-you-spent-on-pheros/29662) it’s obvious that _ **it is our money.** _ On average about $100 USD per month per active user of our money. Y’all know how I work. I was prepared to splice together a dozen or more quotes of everyones specific objections with a handful of links and few hundred words on market forces, consumer demand, the value of customers, etc. What took me so long is that I was that I was rereading really trying understand what Diane and Lor have been trying to say. I was disappointed to find that the only logical pattern that I could find was to purposely talk around and past the real issues in an attempt to paint them as non-problems, and adressing specific objections as though they said something entirely different in a consistent pattern of attempting to represent a widespred discontent as lack of understanding or knowledge and a series of personal problems. What drew me off my natural path of market/customers was that two little things here at the end here continued to irritate me. > [@diane999](#): > > Wow, you are a little late to this party, aren’t you? > > It is resolved. Get over it. > > Diane > [@Lor](#): > > 🆒 > > i think that the problems themselves are dependant on those _percieving_ the problems. > its more personal than general. > > most of us here dont have reason to have issue. > … Sit down and shut up. and You must have a personal problem. And then the pattern fell in place. It started to make some kind of sense. Lor and Diane, I think you both know that I think highly of you. Lor your wealth of experience is legend. Diane the depth of your technical knowledge is honestly impressive and your willingnes to experiment, truly couragous. You know that I qoute both of you extensively in other threads. I have repped both of you again recently. I follow and enjoy both of your journals. But out here in the open forum if your purpose has been to consistently irritate and alienate more and more of the forum members, you’re making steady progress. If not, then you’ve been steadily screwin’ up. OoohYahhh --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/steveo-put-the-s-back-into-sexi/29512)._