# Still confused about CTTM2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 22, 2011, 12:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/still-confused-about-cttm2/50859 "2011-06-22T00:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ocd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e19b73/32.png) [@ocd](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ocd)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 12:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/still-confused-about-cttm2/50859/1 "2011-06-22T00:57:00Z")
So CTTM2 is been out of stock for a long time so I decided to mix my IH and IO to go full bottles together in a 30ml empty bottle to make my own CTTM2. I have read that CTTM2 was 50/50 a-anol/b-nol. Well it might be CTTM2 on paper but it didn’t work like that? The original CTTM2 produced nice hits at 2-3 sprays but my homemade CTTM2 doesn’t produce nowhere near the hits of the original. I have used up to 12 sprays with minimum effect, which leads me to believe that the original CTTM2 must had some other steering mones in it which are obviously missing from my home brew? ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 1:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/still-confused-about-cttm2/50859/2 "2011-06-22T01:18:42Z")
> [@ocd](#): > > which leads me to believe that the original **CTTM2 must had some other steering mones in it** which are obviously missing from my home brew? Your beliefs are GOOOOOOD! 😃 With those two, I ‘BELIEVE’ 😃 mixing them on the body in different areas gives off better hits than mixing them in a spray bottle. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 1:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/still-confused-about-cttm2/50859/3 "2011-06-22T01:41:05Z")
Yeah loved me some CTTM2. I haven’t experienced the same kind of hits just spraying the two together as I did just spraying from a togo bottle of CTTM2. ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 3:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/still-confused-about-cttm2/50859/4 "2011-06-22T03:12:54Z")
I had the same feelings that there was something really special into CTTM2 ! Pago ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 5:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/still-confused-about-cttm2/50859/5 "2011-06-22T17:06:33Z")
([Come Talk To Me (CTTM) – Personal Connection Pheromone - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/)) > [@MHarris](#): > > [CTTM](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/) Mix 2 is a mix of alpha and beta ([Come Talk To Me (CTTM) – Personal Connection Pheromone - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/))[nol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/). 20mcg total per spray. It has a much larger dose of special orange fragrance package than the Instant Line does at this time ([Come Talk To Me (CTTM) – Personal Connection Pheromone - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/)) > It’s a nice communication product, and I’ve even seen 1 spray create some obvious fascination with younger women. I can see it as a hit with those who want to affect Asians, since they typically respond better to -nols, and worse to -none. > > It doesn’t necessarily, however, make people “come talk to you”. You usually have to initiate in some way, and off they go… Future versions will likely have a less serious tone than[CTTM](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/) Mix 1 (which was 100% beta ([Come Talk To Me (CTTM) – Personal Connection Pheromone - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/))-nol ([Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)) , the very first beta ([Come Talk To Me (CTTM) – Personal Connection Pheromone - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/))-nol ([Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)) product) or Mix 2 ([Come Talk To Me (CTTM) – Personal Connection Pheromone - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/)) > [@MHarris](#): > > CTTM ([Come Talk To Me (CTTM) – Personal Connection Pheromone - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/)) Mix 2 is very simple. It’s almost a completely even mix of ([Come Talk To Me (CTTM) – Personal Connection Pheromone - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/))[ANOL](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) to Beta Androstenol. ([Come Talk To Me (CTTM) – Personal Connection Pheromone - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/)) IO and IH have steering mones in them. Now IH and IO will get you close to CTTM2 but it wont be exactly the same because of those steering mones. I just buy anol and bnol in 10mcg each and layer them. Keep in mind MH mentions a special orange fragrance pack as well. Diffusion is huge when it comes to [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) effectiveness. If you dont have good diffusion then people wont respond. Maybe the special scent pack helped. I have a lot of CTTM and it doesnt smell like neroli to me. Mixing IH and IO is not the same for me either not did I expect it would be. Oh and never mix mixes in a bottle always layer them. You mix single molecules. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![skeeter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e5b9ba/32.png) [@skeeter](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/skeeter)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 11:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/still-confused-about-cttm2/50859/6 "2011-06-22T23:30:37Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > ([Come Talk To Me (CTTM) – Personal Connection Pheromone - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/)) > > IO and IH have steering mones in them. Now IH and IO will get you close to CTTM2 but it wont be exactly the same because of those steering mones. I just buy anol and bnol in 10mcg each and layer them. > > Keep in mind MH mentions a special orange fragrance pack as well. Diffusion is huge when it comes to pheromone effectiveness. If you dont have good diffusion then people wont respond. Maybe the special scent pack helped. I have a lot of CTTM and it doesnt smell like neroli to me. Mixing IH and IO is not the same for me either not did I expect it would be. > > Oh and never mix mixes in a bottle always layer them. You mix single molecules. > > Tisha Tisha Sometimes I wonder why certain products are discontinued. If a person had doubts about [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/), CTTM was a product that eliminated any doubt. I have regretted wearing it a couple of times around girls that I know because they won’t stfu. ( Especially Italians ). But I have found it a very useful pheromone on first dates if you know beforehand, that they are shy or just quiet. In fact, if I could only have 1 specific pheromone mix, it would have been near the top. There are times I wonder about the business decisions or whatever the reason why they stop manufacturing a product when it has been proven to be as effective as it was. It was the next best thing to alcohol for a girl to open up and talk. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 10:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/still-confused-about-cttm2/50859/7 "2011-06-23T10:28:23Z")
> [@skeeter](#): > > Tisha > > Sometimes I wonder why certain products are discontinued. If a person had doubts about pheromones, CTTM was a product that eliminated any doubt. > > I have regretted wearing it a couple of times around girls that I know because they won’t stfu. ( Especially Italians ). But I have found it a very useful pheromone on first dates if you know beforehand, that they are shy or just quiet. > > In fact, if I could only have 1 specific pheromone mix, it would have been near the top. > > There are times I wonder about the business decisions or whatever the reason why they stop manufacturing a product when it has been proven to be as effective as it was. > > It was the next best thing to alcohol for a girl to open up and talk. Well I cant explain why it was discontinued exactly. From what they indicated people were just buying IO and IH and layering them so they didnt feel a need for CTTM2. Maybe they cant get the special scent pack that went with it. It cant be the molecules MH stated many times its simply anol and bnol in a 50/50 ratio. Those are abundant. I agree that while using IH and IO together comes close its not exactly the same as CTTM2. I happen to like the IO IH combo better then CTTM but everyones preferences are different. You know how they have the anol test pack which is a different grade of anol. Maybe the anol or bnol was synthesized slightly different and they dont have access to a chemist who can reproduce it. I know MH mentioned the possibility of a CTTM 3 4 5 etc etc. Maybe they are testing that under a MX# All of the stuff here works so well for me I dont care, Its disappointing but I can always whip up something fun and exciting with the other products. Tisha