# Subliminals? Have you used them and are they worth the money? **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [July 9, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/subliminals-have-you-used-them-and-are-they-worth-the-money/30554 "2009-07-09T22:07:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 6:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/subliminals-have-you-used-them-and-are-they-worth-the-money/30554/41 "2010-06-08T18:20:14Z")
> [@Vaccine](#): > > I was given a few of these for relaxation, meditation and wining. There were a few more too. I did listen to them at night while relaxing and I always fell asleep. > > They were brain sync and subliminals, but I don’t really know what that is, except that I recall that there were different channels (tracks?) for each ear. Different. It did relax me a lot, which is why I fell asleep. I stopped using them as all I did was fall asleep. > > [Brain Sync Brain Wave Therapy | Meditation, Relaxation, Mind Expansion and Self-Improvement](http://www.brainsync.com/a-z.asp) > > This thread has made me thing of starting them again. Anyone heard of them? Are they good? BrainSync uses binaurals and embeds subliminals into them, the idea being to get your conscious mind to the best and most receptive level for them to take hold most quickly. That would be Theta, which is where you dream… which, unless you have trained in meditation, will probably put you to sleep. That doesn’t mean it’s not working. One of the major reasons I don’t use binaural beats with my subliminals is because one technology is sort of contradicting the other. Subliminals require repetition to be effective. Binaurals train your brain to stay at the frequency you use with enough repetition. So if you use a subliminal that effectively trains you to stay in Theta all the time, according to the best of my experimentation and research, you should end up with difficulty focusing and paying attention, and in serious cases, may develop ADD and/or ADHD. I’m not saying that you will, and I don’t now if BrainSync programs would actually do that; what I am saying is that my research and experimentation points strongly to that being the case. My test subjects all reported an inability to focus, difficulty paying attention, and some said they felt like they “couldn’t fully wake up” after a couple weeks of use. I personally have to question the value of using binaural beats with subliminals anyway, since proper subliminals bypass the conscious "gatekeeper completely, while binaurals seek to “lower the gate” so to speak. I’ll have to do more research into this when I have some money for it. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 6:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/subliminals-have-you-used-them-and-are-they-worth-the-money/30554/42 "2010-06-08T18:22:33Z")
> [@idle](#): > > I have been using Immrama Institute binaural beats for quite some time. > and i am happy with the results. ( [Insight CD](http://www.immrama.org/insight/insight.html) ) > But those binaural beats are not even close to catlords Absolute Self Confidence - 3rd Generation Ultrasonic Subliminal (Silent) > 😃 Thank you for the compliment. But binaural beats aren’t supposed to do the same thing. lol They simply “shift gears” in your brain. Subliminals in effect re-program the computer that controls the whole car. ---
**Author:** ![apexi1100](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@apexi1100](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/apexi1100)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 3:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/subliminals-have-you-used-them-and-are-they-worth-the-money/30554/43 "2010-06-10T03:55:27Z")
Catlord, can you use more than one? For instance, if I use the manifestation one, because I want to manifest things, but I also play an instrument, and would like to learn more speed. Could I use one early in the day, then the other later in the day or do I need to stick with one until I achieve desired results then change to another one? Thanks and I am definitely open to trying. I have used binuarls and paraliminals with some success. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 12:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/subliminals-have-you-used-them-and-are-they-worth-the-money/30554/44 "2010-06-10T12:10:34Z")
I’ve used subliminals and I think you can use more than one (particularly if they’re closely related) but everything I’ve read says it’s more effective if you focus on one aspect at a time. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 12:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/subliminals-have-you-used-them-and-are-they-worth-the-money/30554/45 "2010-06-10T12:49:47Z")
Now one thing I was wondering about is this, I’ve heard that subliminals don’t work in mp3 format because the compression when converting the file treats it as background noise to be eliminated, how is this avoided? ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 7:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/subliminals-have-you-used-them-and-are-they-worth-the-money/30554/46 "2010-07-04T19:24:45Z")
bump still wondering about the above Q. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 10:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/subliminals-have-you-used-them-and-are-they-worth-the-money/30554/47 "2010-07-04T22:37:26Z")
Actually a lot worse than “they” will tell you… every digital piece of gear depends on a core piece, called the **master oscillator** … in most consumer products the master oscillator is an incredibly cheap and low quality (meaning also low resolution) solution… a quartz crystal oscillator that cost about 25 cents… this is also known as **the clock** … because they put this **unmitigated POS** in most consumer goods instead of a properly corrected clock, a vast amount of low level detail is not retrievable… it turns into an indistinct background fog that contains little information… almost all of the retrievable information is the loud part of the music/recording, MP3 further crushes the datastream by discarding the low level parts as wasted disk space. By the time you try to get it back out of MP3 plus total crap clock there’s not much to listen to. Is there a solution? Yes, there is. It is expensive and it works. It can completely change your understanding of what the digital medium is about though. You have to have your player fixed by sending it to a custom mod shop (obviously this won’t work with iPods) where they unsolder the hunk’o’junk oscillator and replace it with a a _ **Superclock** _ and do some other essential mods. When I switched my Sony CD player stock unit for a heavily modded OPPO it was like there was 2 or 3 distinct layers of information that suddenly became available. All the good stuff that the people who made the disk came to life. By comparison the Sony sounds like listening with thick snot in your ears, and is about as exiting. All my binaural disks, hypno disks, jeffrey thompson disks took on a life (not to mention effectiveness) that they never had before… and 99.9% of the people who buy these products never will know what IS on them ---
**Author:** ![XXX\_HUNTER](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/d78d45/32.png) [@XXX\_HUNTER](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/XXX_HUNTER)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2010, 2:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/subliminals-have-you-used-them-and-are-they-worth-the-money/30554/48 "2010-07-06T02:28:59Z")
Hi gang! I can recomend subliminals by a company here in Chicago called `Mephisto`, their subs do work Be well ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2010, 3:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/subliminals-have-you-used-them-and-are-they-worth-the-money/30554/49 "2010-07-06T03:23:41Z")
> [@XXX\_HUNTER](#): > > Hi gang! > > I can recomend subliminals by a company here in Chicago called `Mephisto`, > their subs do work > Be well Heard of them, I think most of the people here are talking about subliminals for the use of self improvement/personal growth moreso than subliminally brainwashing somebody into having sex with you. Of course it’s not my place to speak for anyone else and I could be wrong. You’ve used their products I assume? ---
**Author:** ![XXX\_HUNTER](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/d78d45/32.png) [@XXX\_HUNTER](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/XXX_HUNTER)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2010, 2:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/subliminals-have-you-used-them-and-are-they-worth-the-money/30554/50 "2010-07-06T14:00:10Z")
Hi Radman ! Yes I do use their products. In a way Subliminals are like Pheromones. They are PERSUASIVE in nature. You can not force anyone into anything. Kind like sales presentations, you are presenting an idea/desire. Subs are nothing more than telling the other person ,red would nice on you or sweet taste better or doing this is ok or this is good for you , etc. They can be use like a coach/trainer, they can instill a desire or an adversion to something. desire for losing weight, stop smoking etc. i use them for personal grow helping me to improve my sales skills. they can be custom made with your name in the messages. Be well ---
**Author:** ![blackadam71](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blackadam71/32/1032_2.png) [@blackadam71](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/blackadam71)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 11:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/subliminals-have-you-used-them-and-are-they-worth-the-money/30554/51 "2011-01-11T23:09:06Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > Subliminals are a very complex subject. That is the primary reason why you get studies that say they work and studies that say they don’t. Properly testing a subliminal scientifically is a mind-bendingly complex task because of the ridiculous amount of variables present. (Although if anyone has the resources/connections/funding, I would dearly love to do a double blind study of my own designing.) > > Subliminals work when the variables do not prevent them from working. They have to be made properly; they have to be used properly. But they also have to be expected to work slowly, gradually and subtlely in most cases, because they bypass the conscious mind completely. Pure subliminals like mine work only with the subconscious mind, and that makes them very slow compared to, say, hypnosis, because during hypnosis, the conscious mind acts as a magnifier and translator for the subconscious mind. > > So while hypnosis works faster, subliminals can be more long lasting because they don’t force you to use them consciously. My business partner uses hypnosis products, but he prefers subliminals because listening to the same thing all the time gets old. Which is why I started working with the “silent” ultrasonics. They’re not silent, of course, but instead, they are higher pitched than most people can hear - or, put another way, they are focused at a pitch that most people are not focused in on and it becomes very easy to ignore. The specifics will depend on your age. > > The subject of subliminals is vastly more complex than most people realize. Basically, for a subliminal to produce visible results 100% of the time, you would need all of the following to be true: > > 1. Properly made. > 2. Used enough to produce the results. > 3. Self awareness enough to see/notice the results. (They usually are gradual and subtle; easier to look back and see them, than to notice them in the process.) > 4. Subject that can work. Not all subjects will work for everyone, based on age, etc. For instance, some forms of snoring don’t respond to the stop snoring subliminal. Some forms of hair loss don’t respond to the hair re-growth sub. etc. (That’s why we have a refund policy. We can’t know if it’s going to work for everyone, we can only do our best to make it work as best possible.) > 5. Not resisting them. You can definitely resist subliminals, if you try hard enough. > > The truth is, subliminals do work. It’s also true that you cannot say that there is a black and white situation. My best friend is a good example of this. He refuses to use subliminals, because he doesn’t trust them. He harbors a deep fear of being out of control of himself, and so he resists them in every way he can: first layer of defense, don’t use it properly (or at all, in this case). Even if he was to be subjected to them without his conscious knowledge, there is a good chance that he would still resist them, because subconsciously, his “program” says, “Resist all outside influeces we have not consciously accepted.” > > He will get little to no results from any subliminals, in all likelyhood. > > Consider someone else I know, who wanted to lose weight - consciously. She used my weight loss subliminal, and she used it 24/7 for months. The result? She immediately began a yo-yo effect. lose 5 pounds, gain 5 pounds, lose 10, gain 10, etc. Why? Well because the subliminal was unable to account for some of her unique pre-existing “programming” that was keeping her at the weight at which she found herself unhappy. Consciously, she wanted nothing more than to be something other than obese; subconsciously, she was a “perfect storm” of weight gain. She was almost completely emotional in her thinking style and awareness; she was very resistant to change; and she had programming that said “I am going to resist people by gaining weight, and the more they hurt my feelngs, the more weight I will gain as my way of telling them to screw off and protect myself from them.” Resistance. She at some level believed that losing weight was going to make her vulnerable to others, and therefore resisted it with all her strength - which was rather considerable. Consequently, she was unable to get the results the program was designed for. On the flip side of the coin, we all knew it was working, because of the sudden yo-yo effect, which had not been there before. She also made absolutely zero effort to “help herself” in the form of increasing her energy expenditure and/or decreasing her caloric intake. > > I have seen many times more success stories than I have seen failures. Thousands of people have purchased my subs. Returns and refund are very rare, but they do happen. That’s okay. There’s no such thing as perfect. I cannot know the personal program running in every person’s subconscious mind, and neither I nor anyone else could hope to make a subliminal script that affected 100% of he population. There are just some circumstances that are incompatible. The best anyone can do is to know the subject as well as possible and try their best. > > We have four free full version subliminals available because we want people to try them and decide they like the results before they give us their money. That is not something we have seen many other subliminal companies do. We do it because we want people to understand that we have confidence in our products, and because we want people to be able to see for themselves if they like what we offer and get results before they commit money. It saves them hassle and expense, and it saves us hassle and expense. Subliminals are not a panacea, and they will not produce expected results when the expectations do not match the reality. > > The reality is, there are a lot of variables that are difficult to predict or account for. I have become a master of “directionalized abstraction” in order to script my subs to handle these things, but it will never be that everyone gets perfect results all the time. > > One thing I have learned is that hypnosis benefits from the aid of the conscious mind; being able to consciously hear the “script” magnifies the impact significantly, as long as the conscious mind accepts it. This makes for a much more rapid and therefore obvious effect. Subliminals - especially “pure” subliminals, such as what I sell, do not; they completely bypass the conscious mind. The subconscious works very differently, and without the conscious mind’s help, it relies on simple repetition to build up enough impact to produce an effect. I don’t use consciously audible vocals because this tends to distract from the “set and forget” I am aiming for. Some companies use them. They work well. Just not what I was aiming for: maximum ease of use and safety. > > Whenever you have a very complex situation, and you attempt to understand it as less complex, it will inevitably become distorted. A good example of this is graphics. Take a picture the size of a postage stamp and re-size it without any interpolation, and you’ll get huge blocks of colors that are horrid to look at. You have to increase the distance from the image to make it proportional to the previous perspective before it looks good again. Likewise, taking a very complex subject and attempting to impose simple black and white “it works or it doesn’t” logic on it will produce 50% saying it does, and 50% saying it doesn’t, and a lot of confused onlookers. That’s what has happened with subliminals. > > In actuality, subliminals produce different rates of success depending on the subject and technologies used. The level of perceived success is also potentially different than the actual success in many cases, because people are either expecting instant results or they are not self aware enough to see the more gradual effects. We see this with pheromones as well. The vast majority of us here see that they obviously work, but yet people go away every day thinking they don’t, because they didn’t use them right, had unrealistic expectations, etc. etc. etc. > > Subliminals come in different types. Different types have different technologies and different rates of result. Type A subliminals trigger a direct brainstem response, and they can be seen to work in as little as 5 minutes. But most people see the results in 20-30 minutes… and some people need 8 hours. Others don’t see results at all! This can be lack of awareness of surrounding, or it can be that the circumstances aren’t right. That doesn’t mean they don’t work. > > Type B subliminals usually take 2-4 weeks to produce sufficient results for the average person to notice them. About 90% of people fall in this range. Some people see results in 2-7 days - typically about 5%. Some people need 2-3 months - about 1%. Some people never see results - about 1%. That doesn’t mean they don’t work! (These are rough estimates based on my observations, not calculated statistics.) > > I appear to be rambling, but I’ll answer your questions here. > > MsSelva, the mumbling you hear from the ocean surf masked subliminal is likely because you’re using it with headphones. To make masked subliminals work for people who use them without headphones, I have to find a balance between the perfect volumes for speaker users and headphone users. Therefore, you will hear some mumbling with headphones, and in some cases, you may hear some with speakers too. That’s just proof that they really do have subliminal information. But technically, you’re not supposed to hear that… it’s just a matter of how well you want it to work. I favor having it work better than having it be less detectable. > > If you could consciously hear them, it would be a “paraliminal” or “beta-liminal”. (“Beta-liminals” is just a fancy made up term for “repetitious recorded normal speech.”) > > Silent subliminals are not silent, they are simply shifted up to a pitch we don’t usually listen for. As you get older you typically lose the ability to hear higher pitches, too. If the subliminal is irritating to you, you can safely lower the volume until you cannot hear it anymore at the average distance from your speakers and it should still work. > > Anyone have any specific questions, feel free to ask. I get a little long winded without a specific question to answer. 🙄 And bear in mind that I of course am in a bit of a catch-22 with the advertising aspect… I don’t want to advertise here, but I also can’t answer questions without answering questions. I also don’t deal much with my competitors, but they do exist. lol I so thank you LordCat for your wisdom and insight of subliminal messaging. just like Pheromones, they have change my life. I just had to bring this old topic up because i have been using subliminal messaging from “Real Subliminal” for about three months. The changes a person will notise in their behaviors can be slow and sudtle, and if a person have not studied or educate themselves enough to notice the signs, they will think that they do not work for them. I have also studied the law of attraction and it seem like all of these things to me go hand to hand with one anther. Do anyone agree with me? This need to be further discussed. But once again, I thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Bolkie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bolkie/32/1056_2.png) [@Bolkie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bolkie)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2011, 3:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/subliminals-have-you-used-them-and-are-they-worth-the-money/30554/52 "2011-05-29T15:03:30Z")
Hey Catlord, I started listening to Absolute Self Confidence a couple days ago. But I have some questions about your products. Can I ask them here or do you prefer a PM ? ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2011, 3:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/subliminals-have-you-used-them-and-are-they-worth-the-money/30554/53 "2011-05-29T15:55:27Z")
> [@Bolkie](#): > > Hey Catlord, > > I started listening to Absolute Self Confidence a couple days ago. > > But I have some questions about your products. Can I ask them here or do you prefer a PM ? btw catlord has his own forum for subliminals your question might be answer there 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bolkie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bolkie/32/1056_2.png) [@Bolkie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bolkie)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2011, 8:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/subliminals-have-you-used-them-and-are-they-worth-the-money/30554/54 "2011-05-29T20:12:44Z")
> [@idle](#): > > btw catlord has his own forum for subliminals > your question might be answer there 😉 Thanks. I have checked out the forum. I guess I can ask in the FAQ area the forum. ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 2:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/subliminals-have-you-used-them-and-are-they-worth-the-money/30554/55 "2011-05-30T02:56:36Z")
I haven’t tried any subliminals, though, as Catlord made allusion to paraliminals, I have used these with a positive effect. Does anyone have an idea of the effectiveness of one in comparison to the other? It seems, from what I’ve read, that both have effects… depending on the quality of the recording and message. Here is the paraliminals that I’ve used. This link is to the explainer to paraliminals. [Learning Theory of Paraliminals - Neuro-Linguistic Programming](http://www.learningstrategies.com/Paraliminal/Article1.asp) . [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/subliminals-have-you-used-them-and-are-they-worth-the-money/30554.md?page=2)