# Substitute for P83 ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 31, 2011, 6:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/substitute-for-p83/53086 "2011-10-31T18:59:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 14
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 2:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/substitute-for-p83/53086/14 "2011-11-01T14:22:16Z")
> [@Whitehall](#): > > My experience with P83 left me with the impression that its the closest thing to “roid rage” I’ve ever experienced. I seem to be especially reactive to it though. It’s funny, how that works… I wear P83 with IShine and I get an amp’ed up IShine with @ 10 to 15 mu of it. Generally, by itself, I’ll get others to be inclined to be friendly toward me. It’s easily steerable to good times. No ‘roid rage’ as you’ve designated. My patience has evaporated, snap at most every little thing that bugs me with those in close proximity having the same attitude… NOT conducive to good times, when applying even 5 mu of [P130](https://a314.com/product/p130/). Would that be some of the symptoms of your ‘roid rage’ with P83? Well, that still doesn’t get yungbrum his alternate to P83, his ‘high school crush’ effect. :o In the consumer line, I’d suggest IG with IH for a similar crush effect. However, not all get the same effects from the P molecules as I describe above with P83 and P130. You may also be designating this P’s reaction in those around you as it’s ability, but, I’d guess, it’s more subtle than that… Anyway, I’ll stop my rambling and send you a couple of post on this P that I found with a “crush effect” search on the Posts. They could help you out as well. > [@My Final Thoughts on P74](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-final-thoughts-on-p74/52283): > > I would like to say a few words before I officially end my testing on P74 used as a standalone. Here is the link for the complete log: [My 7 day trek on P74 (standalone)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-7-day-trek-on-p74-standalone/52020) Most questions you might have is probably already mentioned in my log (including mcgs per spray). This was one helluva interesting putative. I have gotten consistent results from P74, and that surprised me because I did not expect a single molecule to deliver similar results every application. Basically, I will break it down i… > [@Similar product to P83-crush effect](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/similar-product-to-p83-crush-effect/52696/6): > > I’m wondering if people are confusing [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/)’s disinhibition/space-reducing properties with crushing? Again, especially prominent with the likes of TAA, IS or nols. BUT, to emphasis, in my experience, I would recommend IG with IH as a potential of providing a similar crush effect. Though, as in all cases mone, you will need to most important component to the ‘high school crush’ effect, YOU need to be in Harmony to your mones!!! 😃 . --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/substitute-for-p83/53086)._