# Success! Finally! And P83 may have helped a bit. (report) **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 19, 2011, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/success-finally-and-p83-may-have-helped-a-bit-report/44714 "2011-01-19T22:47:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dr\_Phail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Dr\_Phail](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dr_Phail)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/success-finally-and-p83-may-have-helped-a-bit-report/44714/1 "2011-01-19T22:47:36Z")
Let me start off by describing P83’s effects on me a bit. When I wear P83 at 20mcgs, goal-oriented thoughts tend to enter my head more. This effect is subtle by itself and I don’t get too ambitious, I just think about what I should do a little bit more. While slightly high, it is amplified to the point where I am deep in thought about things I want to finish, and I get a little ambition towards that. Without P83, I tend to get all paranoid and down on myself and mute while high, but with it I get focused on goals and ambitious to do them. So I think I’ve pinpointed that aspect of P83. Combined with IS, it works wonders. While out in the “wild”, and in the middle of conversations, I’ll get thoughts reminding me of what I want and to “just do it” and a feeling I will succeed. [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) is also good. Now to the success. Today was my first day of my 2nd semester in college. (this is a community college, fyi). I went into the college cafeteria, which is basically the hang out spot for most of the students, wearing 3x IS, 1x AMMO, 20mcg P83, and 3x IO. I also had taken 25mg of adderall, prescribed, but I don’t take them that much, and not usually at that high of a dosage either. I went over to my usual area and found a group of people and there again was the reminder to try, so I just went up and started talking to them. I had met two of the people in the group before, didn’t know them all that well, but I’ve conversed with them a bit. I introduced myself to the other girl, a 7, who was new to the school, and it was her first day there. She kept stuttering while trying to say my name. It is a simple name, but I’m not going to say it here for certain reasons. We all had good conversation, and for some reason I was having trouble keeping my eye contact with this girl while talking at first. I would start talking about something, and then I would stare off into the distance while doing so. I eventually just forced myself to look into her eyes, and thought “to hell with worrying, just do it, be natural” and was fine from there. I don’t know if I saw much in the way of IOIs from this girl except alot of eye contact from her, and she was attentive to what I had to say. She eventually had to go to class, but she was confused about where it was, and so I offered to walk her to her class, and did. We started connecting and having a good time on the way to class, and she hugged me when we got there, and went in. I went back to the hang out spot and played pool for a bit, and then I had to go to class. On my way to class, I saw her again, and I stopped her to invite my to my birthday party this weekend, and she accepted and we exchanged phone numbers. I told her I had to go to class and she hugged me again and left. That was the main story. I got some IOIs from other girls, and a bunch of “who is that guy” looks from people. Lots of friendliness from everybody and I was very talkative. Guys seemed to respect me more, too. I still don’t know fully what P83 does to other people, but It may have contributed to her hugging me while she has only just met me. Also, I’m probably going to pick her up on the party night, so what do you think I should use for the car ride back from her house? I have IO, IH, IS, AMMO, and P83 in 10mcg/spray concentration. I was thinking IO 2x, IH 1x, AMMO 1x, IS 2x, and P83 20mcg. I know I’ll pretty much be combining alot of them at once, but I think the socials will go together, and I won’t be changing all that much from the signature I had this time. And for the party, I’ll probably just refresh with IS and maybe some IO or IH later if I need it. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 11:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/success-finally-and-p83-may-have-helped-a-bit-report/44714/2 "2011-01-19T23:17:26Z")
When, what exposures, and dosages did you test [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) by itself? ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Phail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Dr\_Phail](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dr_Phail)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 1:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/success-finally-and-p83-may-have-helped-a-bit-report/44714/3 "2011-01-20T01:23:57Z")
I tested it at school (vocational tech), and over at a friend’s house. 10mcgs at school had little to no effect, 20mcgs there gave me the effect I described earlier with no effect on people around me, 30mcgs appeared to have the same effect as 20, for myself. I still haven’t noticed much of a difference in people’s behaviour, besides the fact the girl I met today was all huggy and friendly. 30mcgs doesn’t appear to make much of a difference from 20, and 20 seems to be working good in terms of self effects. And in case you’re wondering, I go to two schools, both for the same graduate program in which I can only take certain classes at a different building. ---
**Author:** ![phaseshift](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@phaseshift](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phaseshift)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 1:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/success-finally-and-p83-may-have-helped-a-bit-report/44714/4 "2011-01-20T01:38:48Z")
as for your question about what mix to use for her in the car, I would say go with the tried and true mix. The mix you used in your post. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Phail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Dr\_Phail](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dr_Phail)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 3:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/success-finally-and-p83-may-have-helped-a-bit-report/44714/5 "2011-01-20T03:44:54Z")
Yeah, I’ll just switch out a shot of IO with a shot of IH, for a bit better bonding. Also, I should say that I have a black eye currently from a fight on saturday. It isn’t too severe, yet it is noticeable. I pretty much completely forgot about it today, nobody even brought it up. AND I had a major success? Wow. This is a big step for me. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Phail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Dr\_Phail](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dr_Phail)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2011, 7:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/success-finally-and-p83-may-have-helped-a-bit-report/44714/6 "2011-01-21T19:55:46Z")
I was wearing [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) by itself today at 10mcgs to the store to help my grandma get groceries. When we went back out, my car wouldn’t start, which mildly pisses me off. It’s the third starter to go bad in a row. When I hit it with a hammer and get it started and get back in the car, I kinda started ranting about how every starter my grandpa has let me use is a piece of shit. Somehow this rant goes on and I start a long rant to her about how they raised me to be beta and how much it pisses me off. I normally wouldn’t do something like that, but I felt like it had to be said, and I did. Strange, but this may be the disinhibiting effect I hear so much about. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2011, 8:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/success-finally-and-p83-may-have-helped-a-bit-report/44714/7 "2011-01-21T20:01:58Z")
> [@Dr\_Phail](#): > > I was wearing P83 by itself today at 10mcgs to the store to help my grandma get groceries. When we went back out, my car wouldn’t start, which mildly pisses me off. It’s the third starter to go bad in a row. When I hit it with a hammer and get it started and get back in the car, I kinda started ranting about how every starter my grandpa has let me use is a piece of shit. Somehow this rant goes on and I start a long rant to her about how they raised me to be beta and how much it pisses me off. I normally wouldn’t do something like that, but I felt like it had to be said, and I did. Strange, but this may be the disinhibiting effect I hear so much about. You usually get that with bnol/IH. The frustration led to you blabbing out, and the truth coming out I don’t believe is a direct reaction to [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/). I know what you’re talking about cause I’ve gotten the agitated and annoyed feeling when I’m wearing P83 where I can’t be free with inhibitions. For me, I dont typically use P83 in places it wouldn’t be appropriate to drink/flirt. I.E. Church, work, long drives with family. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Phail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Dr\_Phail](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dr_Phail)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2011, 8:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/success-finally-and-p83-may-have-helped-a-bit-report/44714/8 "2011-01-21T20:53:07Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > You usually get that with bnol/IH. > > The frustration led to you blabbing out, and the truth coming out I don’t believe is a direct reaction to P83. > > I know what you’re talking about cause I’ve gotten the agitated and annoyed feeling when I’m wearing P83 where I can’t be free with inhibitions. > > For me, I dont typically use P83 in places it wouldn’t be appropriate to drink/flirt. I.E. Church, work, long drives with family. No, I think the [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) brought it out more, and “nudged” me to say it. Maybe that’s what it does, and why people call it a disinhibiting effect. Kinda pushes you to say or do things, but not so much that you’re a complete zombie, unable to control yourself. I can definitely see its potential uses from this. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2011, 9:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/success-finally-and-p83-may-have-helped-a-bit-report/44714/9 "2011-01-21T21:32:51Z")
> [@Dr\_Phail](#): > > No, I think the P83 brought it out more, and “nudged” me to say it. Maybe that’s what it does, and why people call it a disinhibiting effect. Kinda pushes you to say or do things, but not so much that you’re a complete zombie, unable to control yourself. I can definitely see its potential uses from this. 😃 Not trying to argue with you at all, but I honestly think that you learned it was a “disinhibiting” effect and categorized it as such when you experienced those feelings. If you never read the reports, how would you know that its disinhibiting. IMO that’s dirty data cause you already had a bias towards your experiences and attributed it as such. Going off on a rant to my Grandmother, I wouldn’t say that’s disinhibiting and would attribute that more towards an AndrostENONE like reaction or something along the lines of molecules that have a beta effect on men. I’m not calling you beta, but usually those are actions of one when taken your report in context. You made your report congruent with the read reports which make that kind of data dirty, I don’t think its neccesarily useless but that’s not for me to decide. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2011, 10:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/success-finally-and-p83-may-have-helped-a-bit-report/44714/10 "2011-01-21T22:40:30Z")
Don’t know about that P51. The effects of [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) are not very subtle, and do take effect in the way he mentioned. We often have gaps of awareness and non-awareness, so it’s easy to stop every once and a while, particularly when starting out with pheros, and say “Whoa, i’ve been like this for the last 15min!!” However, i’m inclined to think the goal setting part of it is placebo. Seems like you got what you wanted there 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Phail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Dr\_Phail](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dr_Phail)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2011, 4:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/success-finally-and-p83-may-have-helped-a-bit-report/44714/11 "2011-01-22T04:00:53Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Not trying to argue with you at all, but I honestly think that you learned it was a “disinhibiting” effect and categorized it as such when you experienced those feelings. If you never read the reports, how would you know that its disinhibiting. IMO that’s dirty data cause you already had a bias towards your experiences and attributed it as such. > > Going off on a rant to my Grandmother, I wouldn’t say that’s disinhibiting and would attribute that more towards an AndrostENONE like reaction or something along the lines of molecules that have a beta effect on men. I’m not calling you beta, but usually those are actions of one when taken your report in context. > > You made your report congruent with the read reports which make that kind of data dirty, I don’t think its neccesarily useless but that’s not for me to decide. I made it congruent with the read reports because I can see where they are coming from when they describe the effects. I have seen what they are talking about myself, it’s like a constant nudge. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Phail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Dr\_Phail](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dr_Phail)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2011, 1:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/success-finally-and-p83-may-have-helped-a-bit-report/44714/12 "2011-01-23T01:18:23Z")
She couldn’t come to the party today because her mom was worried about ice on the roads. She sounded disappointed, and wanted to hang out or do something else sometime in the future though. I think she really likes me 😃 I keep getting anxiety though. I think my subconscious is being all beta while my conscious is trying to be alpha. I KNOW I don’t need to worry or anything, just take it as it comes, however, I do anyway.