# Suggestions And Help Required - I Am Newbie **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [May 22, 2009, 9:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-and-help-required-i-am-newbie/29223 "2009-05-22T21:57:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![serchingeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7cd45c/32.png) [@serchingeye](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/serchingeye)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 9:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-and-help-required-i-am-newbie/29223/1 "2009-05-22T21:57:52Z")
Hello Friends.. I Am Raghu Age : 21 Location : India I Got Into This Forum To Know How Pheromone’s Works.. I Am Very Sad Because It Broken My Expectation.. And I Tankfull For Exposing Real Fact.. Actually I Planned to Use [Pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) For 2 Purpose I Am very jealous About Other Who Have Girl Friend.. I Think Nobody Likes Me.. Die To Have Mate.. And Enjoy As Others Do.. So I Thought Pheoromones Help Me To Get A Girl For Enjoyment.. Actuallt I Was Expecting Much From A Product Doing So.. I read Some Website They Written “Go Alone And Come Back With A Girl” Its Something Like That.. “Stop Chatting Hours And Get Girls Around You” Even They Wrote Somewhere In Site.. If You Use More Than 2 Drops.. You Will Be Raped.. And I Thought It Help Me To Get Job.. I Attended Many Interviews, But I Am Not getting Job.. I Dam Sure,.. I Am Very Good At My Subject.. But Dont Know What Happening.. So I Thought To Apply THis And Make HR attracted To Me.. I Planned To Use Pheromones As Influence.. To Get Job.. 1. As I Dont Have Job In Hand.. I Am Sure I Wont Get Good Job Because I Dont Have Academic Qualification.. So Planned To Do Pheromones Business!.. I Was Having Lot Of Expectation Before.. And THought make Good Money Through This.. But My Plan Flopped After Reading Tisha Articles.. How ever A Guy Who Sold Pheromoes For 2k peoples Here, Told Me All The Messege On His Site Is Marketing Gimmicks and How You Think To Have Girl On Bed Through Just Some Chemicals.. But I Didnt Understood What He Mean.. I Understood When I Droped Here.. So I Explained About My Situation.. So Guys Please Suggest Me OR Answer Me Some Of Questions 1. Which I Buy To Attract Girls 2. Which I Buy TO Try It On Job Interview.. 3. Will I Get Any Discounts For bulk Buy, why i am asking this because.. a 50$ is just like something for a american or europeian.. but its too costly for a indians… i can give you a example : a product named x is selling at the price of 10$ in china.. and the wholesale price might be 8$, the same product here in india seeling in retail shop at 8$.. even its manufacturer is china,.. Just think how indian market is.. so i need some price diffrence.. 4. i am planning to buy samples.. so can anybody suggest me idea.. how can i reduce the price inspite of product price or shipping price.. 5. is there any retaile sellers in india who deal your products.. so i can purchase from him.. i can save shipping cost.. (its double cost of the product) i forgot to say, actually i got to know about these pheromones by alibaba.. i planned to some business before and bought spanish fly raw poweder for some $$$… but no use.. i flopped in my idea.. and i found loss of 300$ I Would Like To Say This To Whom Have Expectations Like Me… If You Want A Girl On Your Bed.. Occult Works And Help More Than Pheromones.. As Its Not A Product Or Chemical Or Food.. Its Power Evil Power.. It Works For Sure.. ---
**Author:** ![AlexanderG](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alexanderg/32/891_2.png) [@AlexanderG](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AlexanderG)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 11:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-and-help-required-i-am-newbie/29223/2 "2009-05-22T23:06:15Z")
Hello Raghu and welcome to the forum, Your story is not ususual, there are many people here from a similar background to yourself, experiencing similar issues. I suggest you have a good read of the main forums and view [The Mens Guide](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mens-pheromone-guide-revised-6-15/12168) To answer your questions: To attract girls, the best general favourite amongst users here is Ammo. I suggest you read more about this. For job interviews, some like A314 for alpha [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/), this is class. Others like to use communication products like Instant Openness and Instant Honesty to help with confidence and to draw people to you. You can purchase samples, and to do this go to the Androtics/Smartmones Store and click on the ‘to go’ section. Here you can buy small bottles - great for getting started. Tisha should be online again soon to provide you with a $25 USD gift certificate. Best of luck, and let us know how you go! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 11:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-and-help-required-i-am-newbie/29223/3 "2009-05-22T23:19:45Z")
Hi searchingeye, welcome to the forum. 🙂 I woulda, coulda…answered your questions myself but why bother when I can quote my friend, Zeph. No one has ever said it better. 😃 😉 Please, read the following post. > [@Let's go on an adventure](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-go-on-an-adventure/9947/270): > > _ **bored as hell and I wanna get ill…** _ > _ **in my bored stupor as I wait for jerk to go away… I’m going to rant.** _ > > _**Man pheromones. I never thought of em in the way I do now. I remember seeing them in psychology magazines (was really into psych) but was really skeptical. I mean, how could you not? Stuff like Athena 10x was always in magazines claiming to improve your sex life, guaranteed! Honestly, when I decided to purchase the first bottle, I was hopeful. AND extremely cautious. Went with the mentality “Its a 50 dollar bottle… I hope its not a scam, and if anything I can just smell nice” Epic fail. IMF is unscented. A very big L O L moment. Just goes to show how I went from that to a consistent phero user. Anyhow, this is really me frustrated with a lot of the same posts over and over again.**_ > _ **Ok, seriously. Use. The. Search. Function.** _ > > _ **Pheromones. Think of them as an article of clothing, an accessory, a nice car. It’s something that ADDS to you slightly. It doesn’t make YOU. YOU make IT. Do the clothes you wear make you? Does that sick car make you? No. You dress a certain way, act a certain way, do certain things to get others to notice you. Same shit with pheromones. This is NOT a magical fucking potion. For you guys out there. Think about it this way. You’re chillin, walking, maybe going to class. You see a female. She’s in sweatpants, sweater, no make up, just walking. It looks like she’s been up late, stressed and tired. You don’t really give her a second look. Buuuuuuuut, a few minutes later you see another female. She’s wearing a skirt, legs shaved and tanned, has a nice tank top on, hair and face is all made up and DAAAAAAMN she is looking NICE. Point being, we all wear, accessorize to pretty much “show” everyone around us who we are. When you go out and buy a nice watch, a nice car, whatever, you KNOW a part of that reason is to raise your social status. Pheromones do the same shit man. Don’t let that stuff make you, cause in the end, its only synthesized molecules and really, its pathetic if you want to let that run who you are. All the stuff we accumulate, stuff we do to attract or try to attract others, is the same with pheromones. They’re nothing without the person.** _ > _ **So now that you know, here are the “pitfalls” of using pheromones in my experience.** _ > _ **1. Works best on strangers. I bought pheros cause at the time I was trying to get with a girl I’ve known for a long long time. Wow. Epic failure for what I was trying to achieve. I went at it the wrong way, wore the wrong stuff, was not congruent and pretty much treated pheros as a magic potion that would mind control her into falling for me. Yeah, fuck my life moment. The thing is this. Strangers don’t know you. First impressions right? Pheromones give off what you can call a signature, an aura. So generally strangers will take you at face value, don’t you? Your family knows you. This just being a theoretical situation for example sake… say you are a lazy ass loser who doesn’t do shit. Your family knows this. Your friends know this. You bust out the A314 to win some respect to show you’re a responsible person. Works well on a stranger. You will fail around your friends and family. They KNOW you. They’ve been around you. They KNOW you’re a certain way and now you are projecting this aura that is pretty much the opposite of you. Think about that.** _ > > _ **2. YOU NEED TO BACK UP WHAT PHEROMONES ARE TELLING OTHERS. I CANNOT stress that enough. Huge mistake I did was ride on the rush of good hits, never backing it up, and then crashing and burning. This means being congruent to your pheromone signature while you have it on and even when you don’t. What I mean is this. Say you’re after a target girl. You project a cool, suave laid back and fun guy with say… MX272, AMMO, shine and IG. Target girl falls for you. You spend more time with her. Let’s really hope you really ARE this guy or CAN be that type of guy. Cause bottom line is this. Pheromones initiates things. It’s the starter of something really good, really bad or hell, everything in between. She falls for you, but if you can’t deliver, well pheromones only do so much, just like how if you drive a nice car, it’s appeal goes down after a while. You all probably know a girl who’s done something like this. She met this cuuuuuuuuuuute guy at a bar. He’s funny, playful, makes her laugh, fun to be around and confident. They get in a relationship and a month later he’s this jerk, loser who isn’t all he’s cracked up to be. Don’t be that guy. Please. If you’re not naturally an alpha male am I telling you to never use A314? Hell no, but keep in mind of the consequences. If you talk the talk wearing pheromones, walk the fucking walk.** _ > > _ **3. Be congruent with your pheromones. Be congruent with your pheromones. Be congruent with your pheromones. Think of how you look. How you’re acting. How you’re talking. How your body language is. If you’re getting ALPHAMALE ALPHAMALE ALPHAMALE signature from a homeless bum, you’re going to ignore it. If you’re getting fun, cool, talkative from some emo kid dress in black at a party sitting by himself, aren’t you going to be confused? When you’re confused, you ignore it. Oh shit, did that sound familiar? No hits, no looks, everyone is ignoring you? Yeah, sometimes it can be congruency, sometimes its not.** _ > > _ **4. Be AWARE of WHERE you use them. Stop fucking complaining that pheromones don’t work. That’s so ambiguous. If you’re going to say that shit, tell us more info. I’m going to take the most extreme example I can think of. You go to a funeral. They’re giving his eulogy and you’re trying to hit on this hot chick next to you and talking to her. Now, unless you’re the brother/father/son of the deceased, you’re so handsome that 90% of the population will forgive you for being disrespectful, do you REALLY think people are going to be receptive and really happy about that? Given, there ARE situations like this and there have to have been occurrences where a guy HAS flirted/talked with a chick and picked her up in said situation, but really, is that realistic? If you’re in class, a meeting, places where there is limited conversation, MOST people generally follow the social norm. Put yourself in their shoes. You see this cute girl sitting a few seats to your right during class. A few people inbetween you. Are you going to get up, sit next to her and start talking to her while class is in session? If you are and you do, damn, you got some cajones, don’t give a fuck about the class, or you really want this girl. Instead, you’d probably find a good opening to chat with her.** _ > > _ **5. Don’t be dependent on pheromones. Man, I remember when all I did was let pheromones do alllllllllll the work. Bad bad idea. You’re then letting really synthetic molecules that illicit base reactions represent you. You ride that pheromone crutch too long and you won’t know how to go without them. It’s like learning how to ride a bike. Well fuck, at least how I think you’d learn how to ride a bike. You try, fall a lot, fail a lot, then get training wheels. DAMN BIKING IS EZ. But you never take off those training wheels, you’re never gonna really learn how to bike. You always rely on pheromones, you’re never going to know how to really be that way. You want to portray confidence? That’s great, use some pheromones to give you that jump start. But while you’re doing that, learn to BE confident. Have none? WORK ON IT. You want to be that sexy hot guy? Yeah, I guess you can jerk + AMMO it but if you’re so overweight that Rosie O’Donnel would call you fat, then damn, how long you think that’ll last? Hit up the gym, and be and feel like someone that girls find sexy.** _ > > _ **6. DAMN! PHEROMONES ARE HARD WORK! Fuck yes it is. Just like how buying a BMW has an upkeep. It uses premium gas, constant oil checks, constant maintenance, so does pheromones. Like I said earlier, treat pheromones as an accessory to enhance you. So you’re always refining it, finding the best doses, seeing how certain people react to what. Not everyone likes a BMW right? Not everyone reacts to pheromones the same way.** _ > > _**7. I don’t see hits when I wear pheromones. By far the biggest pitfall of pheromones. Again, it seems like everyone says this, but time and time again, they all forget one thing. Pheromones illicit reactions from us. Anywhere from happiness to respect to lust. Another example. You see a hot girl, definitely a 10, walk in. Are you going to stare at her as soon as she walks in, mouth open and gawk at her? No man, you have been socially trained to NOT do that. So you play it off, cool like you didn’t even see her. Same shit with the ladies. They’re not always going to drop obvious IOIs. And hell come on, you’re really looking for that one or two hits from that one or two targets and ignoring everyone else. Or you’re looking for a CERTAIN hit and ignoring a lot of other ones. How do you combat this? Fuckin stop LOOKING for hits. When I stopped caring whether or not I got hits, it really became more obvious. Hits can be silent, a person holding in and controlling how they act and talk. They can be subtle, getting a smile (that you probably wouldn’t have gotten but wouldn’t have known), a timid shy look away, change in words or body language. They can be less subtle and more obvious like flipping hair, imitating body language, suggestive wording, etc. And yes, they can be very very blatant from strangers kissing you. But think about that, how likely are YOU to do something OBVIOUS AND BLATANT? Yea… think about that.**_ > > _ **8. Can pheromones make you more attractive? Define attractive. Cause that definition of attraction is probably different from other peoples. Just like how no matter how awesome someone is, if there is no attraction, nothing will happen. Women and men generally have different ideas of attraction, and guys, let’s face it, women care less about looks than we do. So if you’re hoping that pheromones will make women think you’re hot, you are in for one hell of a disappointment. Put it this way. If you look like quasimodo from the hunchback of notre dame, you sir, are fucked physically. No matter what you spray on, very little women will find you physically attractive, but it can bring out other things that women find attractive. Here are 3 topics all posted by the same person all asking the same thing, always getting the same answer. Just keep in mind, attraction is unique, just like how you can find someone hot and another may say she’s ok.** _ > _**[I´m not physical attractive...are pheromones going to work anyway?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-m-not-physical-attractive-are-pheromones-going-to-work-anyway/12585)**_ ([I´m not physical attractive...are pheromones going to work anyway?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-m-not-physical-attractive-are-pheromones-going-to-work-anyway/12585)) > _**[If Im not physically attractive, will Ammunition help me attract girls?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-im-not-physically-attractive-will-ammunition-help-me-attract-girls/13205)**_ ([If Im not physically attractive, will Ammunition help me attract girls?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-im-not-physically-attractive-will-ammunition-help-me-attract-girls/13205)) > _**[Some girls think I'm ugly...will Ammunition attract these girls to me????????????????](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/some-girls-think-im-ugly-will-ammunition-attract-these-girls-to-me/13725)**_ ([Some girls think I'm ugly...will Ammunition attract these girls to me????????????????](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/some-girls-think-im-ugly-will-ammunition-attract-these-girls-to-me/13725)) > _ **And really, think about it this way. People value different things. Some women, you don’t need pheromones. You just need money and the shit a lot of money buys. Some guys, they don’t give a fuck if a women is intelligent, independent, w/e, they just want a fuckin hot girl. Some of these attitudes can’t be changed by pheromones. Some of them can’t be changed, PERIOD. If you’re on here hoping to change someone completely… well, have fun with that one. You can’t change other people all the time, but you damn sure can change yourself. Just remember to be happy with yourself, be happy with the change, be happy with what you want to turn in to. Don’t be someone you’re not, cause it will be a long hard lesson and often frustrating being someone that you don’t want to be.** _ > > _ **Really, pheromones are a social product just like everything else we use to attract the opposite sex and garner respect from our peers. From nice clothes, watches, purses, shoes, socks, cars, houses or where you live, ALL of that whether you want to admit it or not, has been influenced by you wanting to raise your value to someone, not necessarily the opposite sex. So before you complain how pheromones don’t work, take a GOOD look at HOW you’re using them, WHERE you’re using them and your knowledge of the social situation around you, cause really, I lose faith in humanity every single time I see a question that is answered hundreds of times and at times, there are stickies that actually tell you the answer to the question.** _ > > _ **Links:** _ > _ **What pheros can do:** _ > _**[What pheromones can and can't do: realistic expectations for newcomers](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-pheromones-can-do-and-what-they-cant-updated/9558)**_ ([What pheromones can and can't do: realistic expectations for newcomers](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-pheromones-can-do-and-what-they-cant-updated/9558)) > _**[Is there an Intelligent, witty, smart pheromone, not a jerk one?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-there-an-intelligent-witty-smart-pheromone-not-a-jerk-one/28285/3)**_ ([Is there an Intelligent, witty, smart pheromone, not a jerk one?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-there-an-intelligent-witty-smart-pheromone-not-a-jerk-one/28285/3)) > _**[I'm fed up](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-fed-up/28145)**_ ([I'm fed up](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-fed-up/28145)) > _ **Phero usage:** _ > _**[re-using pheromones in the same day](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-using-pheromones-in-the-same-day/11411/1)**_ ([re-using pheromones in the same day](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-using-pheromones-in-the-same-day/11411/1)) > _**[Long Term Effects and Tolerance? Advice Please :)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-term-effects-and-tolerance-advice-please/10976)**_ ([Long Term Effects and Tolerance? Advice Please :)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-term-effects-and-tolerance-advice-please/10976)) > _**[Why does this spray work best?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-does-this-spray-work-best/27972/1)**_ ([Why does this spray work best?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-does-this-spray-work-best/27972/1)) > > _ **God this was exhausting. Time for a smoke. PHYA WHERE YOU AT? =D** _ > _**Oh if I’ve offended anyone, maybe you should think about why you’re so offended. Usually when I find myself offended, its cause a hard truth has been laid on me. If you’re offended for other reasons, then by all means reply or neg me (but please, leave your name, it’s not like I’m going to be like “HEY THIS ASSHOLE ::insert name here:: NEGGED ME. NEG HIM BACK!” Hell, I won’t even say I was negged, just don’t be some coward hiding in the dark leaving inane feedback)**_. Thank you, Zeph, for saving me the time and energy. 🆒 🙂 Searchingeye, I hope this will help you on your way to understanding how pheromones can and can’t work for you. If you pay attention to what’s written here, you’ll stand a much better chance of being successful in your endeavors not just with pheromones but in life. I wish you the best of luck! Bella ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 12:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-and-help-required-i-am-newbie/29223/4 "2009-05-23T00:40:35Z")
Hello Raghu, Welcome to Pherotalk 🙂 First let me say that article I wrote was not to discourage you but so that you can separate the truth from the lies in the mone world. Many sites will hype things up and flat out lie to you to get you to spend money. We don’t believe in that concept here. We do not want you to just buy mones we want you to be successful with them and to do that you have to have a clear understanding of what they do. > [@](#): > > 1. Which I Buy To Attract Girls First product to try for attraction is AMMO. This is a nice well rounded product that will cause interest and draw attention. Be sure to read zephs post that bella provided for you above because the mones will give you a edge but they wont do the work for you. They open the door of opportunity but you have to walk in. > [@](#): > > 1. Which I Buy TO Try It On Job Interview.. I am going to go with IG here. A314 is the normal for work situations but you have to be congruent to use it and take the lead. No offence but I don’t think your ready for it. IG will give you a smooth respected masculine capable vibe without the aggressive intimidation that can sometimes come with A314. I also suggest to get a assortment of the other to-go products. IO and IH to increase socialization and interaction with others. These will atract on a social level so you can get to know the ladies and build a rapport and comfort level. Ishine for a warm chasimatic charm. I also suggest IJ, I am not sure how the “player vibe” will go over in India but I have a feeling this will work for you and I am usually right. > [@](#): > > 1. Will I Get Any Discounts For bulk Buy, No but if you buy $400 worth you get free shipping. > [@](#): > > 1. i am planning to buy samples.. so can anybody suggest me idea.. how can i reduce the price in spite of product price or shipping price.. Actually they have the best prices and incentives around when it comes to quality mones. You can get cheep products elsewhere but they wont work so your really not getting a deal . You will get your $25 GC to help with cost. When you sign up in the smartmones store you will get 500 points which is $5. You can see your points once you log in to the smartmones store from the earn points link. I mentioned the shipping. You will earn points on every dollar spent for future orders. You can earn points in other ways like referring friends from the email link in the store under that section. You can earn points in the forum which is explained in the store section stickies. 100 points is worth $1 You will most likely get free samples with your order. Most new members do. Other then that I cant think of any other way to lower the cost. > [@](#): > > 1. is there any retaile sellers in india who deal your products.. > so i can purchase from him.. i can save shipping cost.. (its double cost of the product) No Smartmones is the only place you can get authentic full strength Androtics products. They may sell other brands in India. > [@](#): > > i forgot to say, actually i got to know about these pheromones by alibaba.. i planned to some business before and bought spanish fly raw poweder for some $$$… but no use.. i flopped in my idea.. and i found loss of 300$ > > I Would Like To Say This To Whom Have Expectations Like Me… > If You Want A Girl On Your Bed.. Occult Works And Help More Than Pheromones.. As Its Not A Product Or Chemical Or Food.. Its Power Evil Power.. It Works For Sure.. There is no magic potion that will make someone jump in bed with you. No Spanish fly and while the occult can work people have many misconceptions about that as well. Its all a combo of many factors. Mones are just one of those factors. I suggest you stick around the and learn some of those other techniques to use with your mones. Reading body language and using it to signal is another thing we talk about. There is a link in my signature block. Some PUA “pick up artist” material may benefit you and we have a lot of men who talk about that in here. You can also get a unique insight into women by asking for our opinions and advice. There are experienced men here and men who are much like you and looking and comparing notes can help you as well. We may be about pheromones but we cover a lot more here. **Your GC is on its way** Tisha Hostess/Guide ---
**Author:** ![silentscope](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/silentscope/32/2218_2.png) [@silentscope](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/silentscope)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-and-help-required-i-am-newbie/29223/5 "2009-05-23T01:55:06Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > There is no magic potion that will make someone jump in bed with you. No Spanish fly and while the occult can work people have many misconceptions about that as well. > > Its all a combo of many factors. Mones are just one of those factors. > > I suggest you stick around the and learn some of those other techniques to use with your mones. > > Reading body language and using it to signal is another thing we talk about. There is a link in my signature block. > > Some PUA “pick up artist” material may benefit you and we have a lot of men who talk about that in here. > > You can also get a unique insight into women by asking for our opinions and advice. > > There are experienced men here and men who are much like you and looking and comparing notes can help you as well. > > We may be about pheromones but we cover a lot more here. > > **Your GC is on its way** > > Tisha > Hostess/Guide Hi Raghu Welocome, We all been there where you are one time or another. What Tisha about being a combo of many factors is correct. Some of the stuff I looked up and has helped me is some of Ross Jeffries material You can find a lot of stuff on youtube (Please edit if needed) Good luck hope to read your future posts ---
**Author:** ![serchingeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7cd45c/32.png) [@serchingeye](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/serchingeye)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 4:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-and-help-required-i-am-newbie/29223/6 "2009-05-23T16:18:57Z")
Thanks Fro The Responce.. But Tisha Told Magic Or Fly Wont Work… I Belive Her Words Because I Self Experienced Both.. Spanish Fly Works Gr8, But It Should Intake.. And Its Not Magic.. Its Occult.. It Works If You Get Good Wicca.. I Experienced in many ways ---
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 9:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-and-help-required-i-am-newbie/29223/7 "2009-05-24T21:42:41Z")
Hi, [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), instant openness and instant gentleman would probably be helpful to you. Please check the to-go or travel section of the store its pretty much as cheap as you can get these products until you’ve bought things for awhile. Something you can do is get to-gos until you’ve saved enough points up to give you enough of a discount to get one of the full sized bottles. That way you still have access to good products in a broad range on a budget until you can afford the large bottles. I know the currency conversion there has to be pretty harsh. On of the many good things about androtics is they tend to send you free samples of products when you order not always but offten enough to be helpful.If you can call in and order via the 800 # steve-o and the rest of the androtics team do their best to be helpful. That way hopefully you get the best start possible. Welcome to the forum.