# Suggestions for amount (mcg) per order, per product **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 15, 2007, 4:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-amount-mcg-per-order-per-product/7443 "2007-12-15T16:19:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![z414a4d](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/z414a4d/32/1299_2.png) [@z414a4d](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/z414a4d)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2007, 4:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-amount-mcg-per-order-per-product/7443/1 "2007-12-15T16:19:43Z")
I am looking into the expieremone series here, not sure if im going to get in and start giving it a shot yet. Still got a couple consumer products to test and share on the forums here. But I was wondering, what would be a good mix to order for somegthing like p79? How many micrograms per spray? What about TAA and the others? I guess it would probably depend on my intentions with the products to figure out what dosage would be right…I am just looking to test and feel the effects of each mone individually so i can get a better idea how each works on their own. Thanks for the help. Much Appreciated. Take care! ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2007, 4:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-amount-mcg-per-order-per-product/7443/2 "2007-12-15T16:28:35Z")
For most pheros if you intend to try it on it’s own and you are buying a 30 ml bottle, I suggest getting it in 15 mcg/spray. This way if you transfer the liquid to a to-go size bottle you automatically get 12.5 mcg/spray which is good for testing at various doses. Also remember that most of the Instant Line products contain 12.5 mcg/spray of the main [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/). ---
**Author:** ![NancysBoy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/nancysboy/32/391_2.png) [@NancysBoy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NancysBoy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2007, 5:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-amount-mcg-per-order-per-product/7443/3 "2007-12-15T17:13:58Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > For most pheros if you intend to try it on it’s own and you are buying a 30 ml bottle, I suggest getting it in 15 mcg/spray. Good advice. **Except** : Suggested maximum TAL (XTAL) dose for men is something like 7 mcg, if I recall correctly. Catlord reported a great hit at 5 mcg., and reported trying 15 mcg. with zero success: [Wow, TAL! Immediate hit!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wow-tal-immediate-hit/509) ---
**Author:** ![z414a4d](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/z414a4d/32/1299_2.png) [@z414a4d](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/z414a4d)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2007, 6:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-amount-mcg-per-order-per-product/7443/4 "2007-12-15T18:13:29Z")
Thanks a bunch for that info, both of you! Reps for both! ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2007, 7:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-amount-mcg-per-order-per-product/7443/5 "2007-12-15T19:39:27Z")
Great advice from both nbully79 and NancysBoy. Reps to both ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2007, 9:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-amount-mcg-per-order-per-product/7443/6 "2007-12-15T21:32:19Z")
Thanks for the rep Mark, z4 and Holmes! Nancysboy, you are right. I agree that TAL requires lower dosage for men, also TAH. Those two seem to give off a feminine/homosexual leaning vibe unless countered with other male pheros. So a lower dosage might be in order if planning to test by itself. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2007, 9:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-amount-mcg-per-order-per-product/7443/7 "2007-12-15T21:35:06Z")
Anytime nbully79. I always enjoy reading your posts, and you usually have great information and insights to contribute. Mark ---
**Author:** ![runnerxvr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@runnerxvr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/runnerxvr)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2007, 10:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-amount-mcg-per-order-per-product/7443/8 "2007-12-15T22:39:05Z")
Hello Z414a4d, I’ve read that they guys already gave you really good advice, but I wished to add also my point of view. I’m only talking about what I noticed, so, it could be different from other people. I’ve got all my Putatives as 2,5 mcg per spray. Seen that I’ve seen that I’ve good results with 2-3 spray each (if I go over that range I don’t see better results), I’ve planned that for my next order I’ll take all my new Putative at 7,5 mcg, just to use 1 spray each time, and not to smell too much of alcohol. About Tah, I’ve see that with 1 spray I can lower the anger-effect of the NONEs on me, while if I rise the TAH dosage, I really can’t concentrate on anything. I hope this may be helpful to you. See ya Franz ---
**Author:** ![marty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marty/32/714_2.png) [@marty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marty)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2007, 10:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-amount-mcg-per-order-per-product/7443/9 "2007-12-15T22:56:19Z")
some products have very wide usability ranges with varying affects at different dosages. Sometimes subtle is better, sometimes it’s better to be in your face about it. typically, the higher dosage-per-spray give you more bang for your buck, but then you are stuck at that dose unless you are mixing yourself. It’s a tough question to really sum up in one go because it really depends on a case by case basis. Your best bet would be to search the forum for the specific putative(s) you were thinking about and see what other people have experienced. Once you get an idea of what other people find to be usable, then use that as a rough starting point. Using more pheros than you need may produce really obvious reactions, but in most cases you can be much more effective with more subtle combinations. ---
**Author:** ![z414a4d](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/z414a4d/32/1299_2.png) [@z414a4d](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/z414a4d)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2007, 11:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-amount-mcg-per-order-per-product/7443/10 "2007-12-15T23:04:59Z")
> [@runnerxvr](#): > > Hello Z414a4d, > I’ve read that they guys already gave you really good advice, but I wished to add also my point of view. I’m only talking about what I noticed, so, it could be different from other people. I’ve got all my Putatives as 2,5 mcg per spray. Seen that I’ve seen that I’ve good results with 2-3 spray each (if I go over that range I don’t see better results), I’ve planned that for my next order I’ll take all my new Putative at 7,5 mcg, just to use 1 spray each time, and not to smell too much of alcohol. About Tah, I’ve see that with 1 spray I can lower the anger-effect of the NONEs on me, while if I rise the TAH dosage, I really can’t concentrate on anything. I hope this may be helpful to you. > > See ya > > Franz awesome ! That helps alot too! Thanks a bunch Franz! Reps to ya! ---
**Author:** ![z414a4d](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/z414a4d/32/1299_2.png) [@z414a4d](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/z414a4d)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2007, 11:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-amount-mcg-per-order-per-product/7443/11 "2007-12-15T23:06:42Z")
> [@martyk](#): > > some products have very wide usability ranges with varying affects at different dosages. Sometimes subtle is better, sometimes it’s better to be in your face about it. > > typically, the higher dosage-per-spray give you more bang for your buck, but then you are stuck at that dose unless you are mixing yourself. > > It’s a tough question to really sum up in one go because it really depends on a case by case basis. > > Your best bet would be to search the forum for the specific putative(s) you were thinking about and see what other people have experienced. Once you get an idea of what other people find to be usable, then use that as a rough starting point. Using more pheros than you need may produce really obvious reactions, but in most cases you can be much more effective with more subtle combinations. Right on! I think im going to do a little bit more consumer product testing so i can figure out whith p’s to get right off the bat! Thanks for the addition though. Reps marty! Reps all around! i got lots more to give out! ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2007, 5:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-amount-mcg-per-order-per-product/7443/12 "2007-12-16T05:57:58Z")
Taters journal has a table of the best price breaks for putatives and Experimones. ---
**Author:** ![z414a4d](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/z414a4d/32/1299_2.png) [@z414a4d](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/z414a4d)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2007, 4:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-amount-mcg-per-order-per-product/7443/13 "2007-12-16T16:36:16Z")
Sweetness! Thanks Tater! ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2007, 5:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-amount-mcg-per-order-per-product/7443/14 "2007-12-16T17:50:18Z")
Here is a sample price breakdown for a 30 ml bottle of a putative: mcg/spray / price / $ per mcg / price minus discount% - 2.5 ,/14.95 ,/5.98 ,/100% - 5.0 ,/21.95 ,/4.39 ,/ 73% - 7.5 ,/24.95 ,/3.33 ,/ 56% -10.0 ,/27.95 ,/2.80 ,/ 47% -15.0 ,/37.95 ,/2.53 ,/ 42% -20.0 ,/47.95 ,/2.40 ,/ 40% -25.0 ,/57.95 ,/2.32 ,/ 39% -30.0 ,/67.95 ,/2.27 ,/ 38% -40.0 ,/77.95 ,/1.95 ,/ 33% -50.0 ,/87.95 ,/1.76 ,/ 29% 100.0 ,/147.95 ,/1.48 ,/ 25% The price per mcg goes steadily down … and while you can “downmix” (to dilute with perfumer’s alcohol or good vodka) a stronger dosage you cannot “upmix” a weaker solution. Most of Androtics products where you can specify a strength according to this scale use the same price structure or a similar one So, if you are willing to downmix, then you should look at the “total” amount of pheros you want to buy at one time instead. If I wanted 400 sprays of 25 mcg per spray, I’d buy the one ounce (=200 sprays) 50mcg product and pay 87.95 (plus the cost of one ounce of alcohol) instead of two \* 57.95 = 115.90. If convenience is more important to you then you’re better served not messin’ with the mixin’. Note: The “price per mcg” is actually the price for 200 sprays per mcg. You can divide the amount shown by 200 to get the true cost per microgram of pheromone. ---
**Author:** ![z414a4d](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/z414a4d/32/1299_2.png) [@z414a4d](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/z414a4d)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2007, 6:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-amount-mcg-per-order-per-product/7443/15 "2007-12-16T18:09:55Z")
word up. ---
**Author:** ![NancysBoy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/nancysboy/32/391_2.png) [@NancysBoy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NancysBoy)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2007, 8:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-amount-mcg-per-order-per-product/7443/16 "2007-12-16T20:39:52Z")
> [@MarkL](#): > > Here is a sample price breakdown for a 30 ml bottle of a putative: > > (to be fixed with table later, regrets) Waiting is ---
**Author:** ![The\_GQ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@The\_GQ](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/The_GQ)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2007, 9:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-amount-mcg-per-order-per-product/7443/17 "2007-12-16T21:38:35Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > Taters journal has a table of the best price breaks for putatives and Experimones. I have to sift through your journal again Tater to see that. I also have to locate back the [MX203](https://a314.com/product/mx203/) usage and biscuit baking part. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![NancysBoy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/nancysboy/32/391_2.png) [@NancysBoy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NancysBoy)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2007, 9:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-amount-mcg-per-order-per-product/7443/18 "2007-12-16T21:41:01Z")
Baking? I thought he was into eating them? ---
**Author:** ![The\_GQ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@The\_GQ](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/The_GQ)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2007, 10:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-amount-mcg-per-order-per-product/7443/19 "2007-12-16T22:24:29Z")
> [@NancysBoy](#): > > Baking? I thought he was into eating them? Well that too but I don’t read a tutorial of how to eat biscuits…😛 ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2007, 1:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-amount-mcg-per-order-per-product/7443/20 "2007-12-17T01:19:57Z")
Taters awesome breakdown is in the first post of the MTJ. Biscuit recipes are kinda scattered all over. 8) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-amount-mcg-per-order-per-product/7443.md?page=2)