# Suggestions for young girl/ older guy :) **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 22, 2013, 12:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-young-girl-older-guy/60289 "2013-10-22T00:02:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Talaya](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/talaya/32/1002_2.png) [@Talaya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Talaya)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2013, 12:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-young-girl-older-guy/60289/1 "2013-10-22T00:02:41Z")
Hi Hi everybody! I am actually writing to ask you a suggestion regarding what pheros I should purchase next: I am very young (23), I am an expat. I think I can define myself as adventurous. I got quite the personality. By looks I am petite but sportive, with Mediterranean looks (I am from Europe, the Latino side šŸ˜‰ ) and I am pretty familiar with the common pheros here! I own a bottle of ISA, IS and IH. I love them. I especially love how ISA and IH work together! FFFFUNTASTICK! Now I am looking to buy something moreā€¦ spicy? I do get great results (and Iā€™m currently errrā€¦ having funā€¦ with a guy I wanted since I came here!) but the guy is 10 years older than me. He is breaking up with his girlfriend (nothing relate to me, I may have just given the last push, but it was a long distance and it was not going anywhere) and I want him to consider me as his next one. We are currently intimate, and he is quite sweetā€¦ but in due time I want more. Any suggestion? I know most of it has to come from us, just wondering if you can suggest any pheros to make things more intimate? Conversation? Thanks ladies šŸ™‚šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2013, 1:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-young-girl-older-guy/60289/2 "2013-10-22T01:15:24Z")
Go over to Liquid Alchemy and get some EST. Not that I want to send business away but they donā€™t have that here and this guy is approaching the age he is beginning to think about settling down more. Its not all about sex anymore like it was in his 20ā€™s. EST is perfect for your situation. As far as products hereā€¦ IH combined with [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) is a good choice. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Talaya](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/talaya/32/1002_2.png) [@Talaya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Talaya)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2013, 2:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-young-girl-older-guy/60289/3 "2013-10-22T02:48:51Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Go over to Liquid Alchemy and get some EST. Not that I want to send business away but they donā€™t have that here and this guy is approaching the age he is beginning to think about settling down more. Its not all about sex anymore like it was in his 20ā€™s. EST is perfect for your situation. > > As far as products hereā€¦ IH combined with P74 is a good choice. > > Tisha Thanks! Just to be clearā€¦ whatā€™s the full name of EST? On the Liquid Alchemy website šŸ™‚ I want to read about that! ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2013, 8:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-young-girl-older-guy/60289/4 "2013-10-22T08:48:56Z")
> [@Talaya](#): > > Thanks! > Just to be clearā€¦ whatā€™s the full name of EST? > On the Liquid Alchemy website šŸ™‚ > > I want to read about that! If you hover over the link, it gives you the full name. Iā€™ve never used EST, but [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) and IH are quite good. 74 seems to be a universal bonding molecule. EST is still very popular in formulations elsewhere. Not sure entirely why it ended here. It doesnā€™t seem to matter the gender, but women should probably steer it with Instant Sexiness/copulins, men with -eNone, A314. Although I have a four-molecule combo with beta nol and P74 suggested by Tisha a few years ago, a simpler one with just P74 and a steering molecule is really good. 74 is a good value for the price. There arenā€™t many reports about what women feel exposed to men wearing it, but men respond when I wear it. A downside. But men do seem to respond, especially if the female wears something to send a feminine signature. Iā€™m rather hoping Tisha will tell us the experience of beta nol, IH and P74 when around men wearing it. All three of these bond in a different way, and the appeal of them is greater for women than men (who strongly lean toward sexual mones). Really, Iā€™d hope Androtics might someday release P74 with a bit of steering as a general attraction product rather than experimental. Itā€™s really experimental in name only. In the menā€™s section, we have quite the threads on fallout (the male psyche designation for bonding/nesting)ā€¦often instigated by me. The female user Tigerlilly had a very robust journal on some of these products/molecules. Worthy reading. A side effect is that it strongly drives my attention when wearing 314 towards women in an LTR way. And I donā€™t know that there is such a thing as male friend zone, but it still wouldnā€™t hurt to keep it sexualizedā€¦given that the guy left a relationship for you. You wouldnā€™t want the tables turned. My point being P74 is affordable to use every day, and I reserve IH for more special times. I love it, but the cost of quality nols went up during the recession at several companies. Do tell us your results, so the men can get some feedback outside the all-male echo chamber. šŸ˜ƒ I confess, part of this is a blatant tribute to Tā€™s genius re. that 4-molecule mix I mentioned. Sheā€™s giving good advice. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2013, 3:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-young-girl-older-guy/60289/5 "2013-10-23T03:17:38Z")
> [@](#): > > Iā€™m rather hoping Tisha will tell us the experience of beta [nol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) , [IH](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) and [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) when around men wearing it. Bnol and IH are just slightly different. Bnol on its own just makes a connected feeling. That ā€œI know youā€ feeling. IH which is a mix of 3 mones, primarily bnol has more trust, pull and intimacy. So the steering molecules build on the bnol. [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) is more of a harmony bond. Comfort, synchronicity bond. All have attractive qualities to them. They seem to cause similar feelings in both males and females however males and females respond differently to the those feelings. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2013, 2:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-young-girl-older-guy/60289/6 "2013-10-23T14:46:31Z")
Besides combinations of [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/)/IH steered with A314 and TUTH (a more masculine, sexual direction), Iā€™ve also used P74 by itself. It is hard not to bond with the latter. With limited choices for womenā€™s wear, I would believe P74 with I. Sexi. and perhaps copulins is the female equiv. I have explored the very active topic of ā€œfalloutā€ in the Menā€™s section, testing P74, IH beta nol, alpha nol, a steering molecule I call TAX and all combinations that seemed reasonable. BNOL 7.5 mcg ANOL 2.5 P74 2.5 TAX 2.5 Per Spray or layered combination. I acquired this from Tisha23 via one of her posts. This is like 2X IH. I can only take two sprays. But are the ANOL and BNOL really necessary for the emotional communication/bonding (they are for the verbal part, or they enhance it). Only BNOL really leads to those spontaneous outbursts like I H. Looking for a simpler bonding formula: 7.5 P74 + 2.5 TAX (per application). Very good, but two apps is a doozy to use every day. 7.5 P74 + 1.25 TAX. Wow! Iā€™ve tested a good bit of TAX in a 2.5 mcg spray and also various P74 the past year. The latter formula is like 1 spray of 4X IH. 2 sprays is really intense. The harmony in this far greater than the sum of parts. If this is not a candidate MX, I donā€™t know what is. In summary though for the OP, P74 is really experimental to me in name only. It has no warranty, but it adds so much to IH, etc. that it should be the general bonding/social/communication for gay and straight, male and female. I search for negative reports and find few (occasionally fatigue, burnout). I think this is one occasion where recommending an ExperiMone to newer folks has merit, whereas maybe TAL or P83 I would not. **Conclusion** : I am _90% confident_ what we call **fallout** (_males and females_ can experience something like this, if not identical) requires TAX and P74 with feminine or masculine steering. I think it is **cross gender** , _regardless of sexual orientation_. A1 and cops are optional but very useful. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2013, 2:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-young-girl-older-guy/60289/7 "2013-10-24T02:33:17Z")
What is TAX ??? I know many PUA terms but define Fallout for me. Tish ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2013, 6:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-young-girl-older-guy/60289/8 "2013-10-24T06:24:42Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > What is TAX ??? > > I know many PUA terms but define Fallout for me. > > Tish M. Harris identified the tendency of some women to become posessive of the A314 wearerā€™s status (i.e., ā€œproviderā€). This was subsequently born out it user reports over many years. > [@What is the "fallout effect"?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-fallout-effect/41433): > > I read a few posts about a fallout effect. Can someone explain in full detail of what that is? And how [pheromone](https://a314.com/) plays a part in that ? Blackadam71 I use the term Molecule X (TAX) to refer to one of the T Series molecules. At one time, 2X and 4X Honesty were abundant and affordable. The recession lead to dramatic wholesale price increases, making the current 1X 30 mL more expensive than A314. As CTTM2 was dropped from the store, people explored whether 50/50 ANOL/BNOL = IH. They donā€™t. IH evolved from the 4-molecule to 3-molecule formula it is today. But the undisclosed steering molecule does the heavy lifting. I have tried 3 sprays each IO and IH and 3 sprays Honesty + 20-30 m c g 74. 15 mcg 74 for self FX isnā€™t impressive. Butā€¦ 15 mcg 74 + 2.5 m c g Molecule X is exceptional. Even 7.5 / 1.25 is. When IH tripled in price, users askedā€¦and you answered, what they might test as an alternative. The formula above was your suggestion. I have the linked post, but sending it to you via PM seems more circumspect, if my description isnā€™t clear. In the earliest posts from SwingerMD, a so called ā€œboyfriend effectā€ became known from [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/). The adjective BF appears over and over, dozens of times with 74ā€“but not with ANOL or BNOL. Sometimes with IH or A314, especially with A1. And a similar effect came about with tests of TAX. Posts from Jasmin tended to underscore these reportsā€¦a sort of love molecule. Essentially, it is the bonding quality of P74 and imprinting quality of TAX combined. In the classic Commander Kotov thread > [@Nuclear Fallout: Building a Pheremone WMD](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789): > > Comrades, I have been occupied these last few days perfecting a very special weapon in the Great Pheremone Arms Race. While members of this forum continue to brew mixes for meeting and attracting fine young ladies in social settings, I have taken it upon myself to pursure a slightly different kind of mix. Something catering to the less, shall we say, ā€œsportsman likeā€ sentimentality? A brew not meant to be wielded by soldiers on the front lines, storming bars and classrooms to chalk up a wanton ā€¦ A314, P74 and IH ring true. But BNOL is no substitute. Neither is ANOL. These two lack the steering power of TAX. When you proferred the formula above as a testing alternative to IH, few bothered to pursue it. **However, you are correct**. My further tests found ANOL and BNOL very good for their traditional communication value, but redundant for the alleged fallout effect. 25 mcg BNOL with 2.5 or more TAX just didnā€™t elicit bonding, whereas **P74 alone could**. Essentially, P74 does the bonding, but X makes it photographic and unforgettable. After an absence, it creates the yearning effect. I bookmarked dozens of post links. I can find no substantial reports that BNOL will aid this crush (I know women tend to be dismissive of this word as somewhat juvenile) or whatever effect, although straight BNOL does enhance partner communication in established LTR, I feel. Depressive A1 effects are minor but real, so I leave that variable aside for now. My reason for the TAX moniker is that your 4-molecule formula is every bit the alternative to 2 sprays IH (only one dose of the formula = I H 2 sprays). Thus, I donā€™t overtly post the moleculeā€™s name. I find evidence that 74/TAX is viable, unisex bonding combo. Being 80% P74, it should be affordable for regular use and perhaps a viable consumer item. I donā€™t know that my synonym ā€œTAXā€ is entirely necessary, except to not needlessly comprise the value of IH as a consumer staple. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2013, 12:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-young-girl-older-guy/60289/9 "2013-10-24T12:50:00Z")
Oh Ok TAX is your own term for a mix you made. I thought we had a new molecule and they forgot to send me a memo LOL > [@](#): > > M. Harris identified the tendency of some women to become posessive of the A314 wearerā€™s status (i.e., ā€œproviderā€). This was subsequently born out it user reports over many years. Ah okā€¦ a forum term. thank you for clearing that up. I have seen it used in threads before but didnā€™t have a clear definition. Yes agree to some extent that mones can trigger a possessive vibe especially highly masculine ones but I think the person its affecting needs to have that trait present in there personality for it to happen. Females tend to experience it with or without mones though. Men are territorial. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2013, 2:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-young-girl-older-guy/60289/10 "2013-10-24T14:06:12Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Oh Ok TAX is your own term for a mix you made. I thought we had a new molecule and they forgot to send me a memo LOL > > Ah okā€¦ a forum term. thank you for clearing that up. I have seen it used in threads before but didnā€™t have a clear definition. > > Yes agree to some extent that mones can trigger a possessive vibe especially highly masculine ones but I think the person its affecting needs to have that trait present in there personality for it to happen. > > Females tend to experience it with or without mones though. Men are territorial. > > Tisha Youā€™re right about the possessive/fallout aspect. TAX is an ExperiMone T molecule. I PMā€™d you. While these combos Iā€™ve worn were directed at female targets, the accidental effect induced a bit of a nesting tendency in myself. These tests are longitudinal, same subjects (usually) over more than a year, with me what social scientists call the participant observer. I think any sex or orientation can steer this toward bonding. Instant Sexiness plus this I think would do it for hetero women. I have tested this TAX at 12.5 mcg. Thatā€™s about all I can take per 24 hours. Iā€™ve tested [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) at 30 mcg. The simple 7.5 - 15 of 74 and 1.25 - 2.5 Molecule X is **double or triple** the self effect of just the P74 dose. This would allow use at less than 20 mcg, tending to temper the beta or male bonding vibe. Depending upon how steered or how much, female wearers would attract men or even women, perhaps. Although women for women mones arenā€™t welll documented here, the 74 / X combo could probably be steered that way. Thatā€™s my instinct and observation. Itā€™s the general hippie love in mix. The objective is just a tiny amount of TAX per spray and the least use of nols to get the job done and make it viable for the average user. **I think it is**. In the example above, TAX is not TAA. ---
**Author:** ![Talaya](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/talaya/32/1002_2.png) [@Talaya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Talaya)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 2:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-young-girl-older-guy/60289/11 "2013-10-28T02:24:11Z")
thank you so much for the replies, and the interesting discussions šŸ™‚ I decided to buy in the upcoming days (as soon as international shipping is back up and running): Instant Sexiness A Instant Honestly [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) (as I understood correctly mixing those two creates something called CCTM?) P74 Letā€™s see what they will do! So far the situation is such a mess, that maybe some pheros help may be what I need! Yeah I know itā€™s crazy lots, but I can get this like twice a year because of the international shipping šŸ˜• ---
**Author:** ![hankypanky2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hankypanky2/32/597_2.png) [@hankypanky2](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hankypanky2)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 7:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-young-girl-older-guy/60289/12 "2013-11-12T07:43:43Z")
p83 with IS should go nicely.