# suitable pheros to use for a shy woman? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 18, 2007, 3:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suitable-pheros-to-use-for-a-shy-woman/7523 "2007-12-18T03:40:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Shap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Shap](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Shap)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2007, 3:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suitable-pheros-to-use-for-a-shy-woman/7523/1 "2007-12-18T03:40:24Z")
what are the suitable pheros to use for why women in the range of 18-20 years old? ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2007, 3:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suitable-pheros-to-use-for-a-shy-woman/7523/2 "2007-12-18T03:47:25Z")
> [@Shap](#): > > what are the suitable pheros to use for why women in the range of 18-20 years old? Those “why women” are real puzzlers! 😉 Some IO or cttm might get her talking to you. You still have to open the conversation and give her a chance. ---
**Author:** ![jerry\_c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@jerry\_c](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jerry_c)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2007, 4:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suitable-pheros-to-use-for-a-shy-woman/7523/3 "2007-12-18T04:33:55Z")
how do you post those sticky messages?? ---
**Author:** ![NancysBoy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/nancysboy/32/391_2.png) [@NancysBoy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NancysBoy)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2007, 4:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suitable-pheros-to-use-for-a-shy-woman/7523/4 "2007-12-18T04:46:53Z")
I don’t. The moderator can make an ordinary message into a stickie, IF the message is worthy. ---
**Author:** ![Shap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Shap](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Shap)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2007, 4:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suitable-pheros-to-use-for-a-shy-woman/7523/5 "2007-12-18T04:53:42Z")
haha guys, i love it when you state the obvious: “you still have to initiate conversation” because some people think women will come humping them or something. Anyway, the reason for my question is that i don’t want to intimidate the shy woman further with A314 or ammo… and i wonder what [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) would bring her outside her shell and quickly build a basic friendship with me. I just have 2 more questions how can instantshine benefit me in that case? will instant female magic help at all or will it be a waste of pheros? Would it be a good idea to wear ammo instead (of anything else)? I don’t think so since it has a component of A314 and might be rather intimidating. I don’t know what to think, i don’t have much experience with pheros and some of you might read this and go _sigh_ another noob, and go on testing the P85 or some new mixes. But please, do help me out and drop your opinion 😃 ---
**Author:** ![TRDE59](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/trde59/32/412_2.png) [@TRDE59](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TRDE59)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2007, 6:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suitable-pheros-to-use-for-a-shy-woman/7523/6 "2007-12-18T06:31:47Z")
Instant Honesty all the way. Much better at getting a woman to open up to you than Instant Opnenness (despite the name). [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)/Spaceland are more for situations when there’s already a mild social atmosphere going. The pheros in those mixes kick it into high gear. However, for one-on-one situations, Instant Honesty all the way. It creates feelings of closeness that will cause a shy girl to open up. I haven’t tried cttm, so I can’t judge on that, but I hear it’s a great all-around communication pheromone, perfect for both parties AND one-on-one situations. ---
**Author:** ![Shap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Shap](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Shap)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2007, 10:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suitable-pheros-to-use-for-a-shy-woman/7523/7 "2007-12-18T10:30:27Z")
I remember trying instant honesty out, and trying to break away from a conversation but couldn’t… the guy kept following me haha. Anyway, yeah instant honesty is great, but what if i mix it with instant shine? or instant female magic. Will the TAA bring her closer? take away my personal space? is this a good choice to mix with instant honesty? (and what about also putting instant female magic in that mix?) ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2007, 1:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suitable-pheros-to-use-for-a-shy-woman/7523/8 "2007-12-18T13:46:58Z")
[Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) is great for relaxing women, so that can’t hurt. Put that together with Instant Shine and Instant Honesty…and you’ve got a woman who’s relaxed, happy and talkative…a winning combo for any guy! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2007, 3:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suitable-pheros-to-use-for-a-shy-woman/7523/9 "2007-12-18T15:47:19Z")
CTTM2:Instant Shine:[Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/), at a ratio of 4:5:3. And don’t forget to use body language that says “safe and relaxed”, and a tone of voice that says safe and relaxing too. Keep conversation light and don’t get into topics that she’s uncomfortable with. And read her body language like a hawk. At the first sign of discomfort, change the subject or stop what you were doing that caused it. ---
**Author:** ![m3turbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@m3turbo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/m3turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2007, 4:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suitable-pheros-to-use-for-a-shy-woman/7523/10 "2007-12-18T16:08:15Z")
P85 and or TAL. These two really bring all females but especially the awkward ones out of their shell.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Shap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Shap](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Shap)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2007, 5:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suitable-pheros-to-use-for-a-shy-woman/7523/11 "2007-12-19T05:11:27Z")
perfect guys and girls, each of the last 3 suggestions helped. I look forward to trying on that ratio catlord… but i don’t have cttm so i suppose i will try it out with instant honesty! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2007, 8:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suitable-pheros-to-use-for-a-shy-woman/7523/12 "2007-12-19T08:11:31Z")
> [@m3turbo](#): > > P85 and or TAL. These two really bring all females but especially the awkward ones out of their shell.🙂 m3t, how much P85 are you using per application - still 12.5 mcg or have you tried higher dosages? Is it still adding a ‘trusting, mature, credible vibe’ to your mixes? Is it sexual at all or is it more just about enhancing communication? Thanks Visionary ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2008, 10:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suitable-pheros-to-use-for-a-shy-woman/7523/13 "2008-02-01T10:42:24Z")
> [@m3turbo](#): > > P85 and or TAL. These two really bring all females but especially the awkward ones out of their shell.🙂 How much TAL do you use for this? ---
**Author:** ![m3turbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@m3turbo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/m3turbo)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2008, 10:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suitable-pheros-to-use-for-a-shy-woman/7523/14 "2008-02-01T22:45:16Z")
I am still using about 12.5 mcg per application of p85. As for TAL never more than 7.5mcg . TAL works great but is very imasculating so be careful.