# Summer ammo. vs Standard - p130 report **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 4, 2014, 6:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345 "2014-07-04T06:56:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![sillysilly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4bbf92/32.png) [@sillysilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sillysilly)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2014, 6:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/1 "2014-07-04T06:56:36Z")
I have been using standard ammo for ages and finally made the switch to summer. Its so much more stable than regular ammo. For me, regular ammo attracts girls but it repeals them even faster, (i can overdoes on one spray of standard ammo. Its not the none becasue i can get away with 3 sprays tuth) The few girls i have pulled in the last year were on ammo though, rather than other products. they just had either IH or a314 with it. (standard ammo seems to have a untrustworthy vibe by itself) Only just got summer ammo, and used it a few times so far, and im liking it a lot more! people say its for younger girls. but so far i have noticed girls of all ages seem to like it. It just seems to be opening up the girls my age that were repealed with normal ammo. everyone here seems to say adding p75 to summer ammo but i find p130 dosnt mix well with p75 as they seem like opposites. (i get really confused self effects) p75 = i want, i get p130 = i don’t want. i dont care. this could be why p130 makes such a change, it communicates with girls that your not chasing, which could influence her to chase. I wonder how much p130 is in summer ammo, it must balance the rone well. Whats the best summer ammo mixes? for 18 - 22yo Mostly if summer ammo goes with mx297? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2014, 10:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/2 "2014-07-04T10:49:57Z")
I find that [P130](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p130/) helps make None much more acceptable/usable around much younger women, so if P75 gives you problems, maybe try adding some TUTH or plain Androstenone instead. And yes, the more chilled-out vibe of the TAA helps promote a more laid-back/stable response compared to the much brighter/fun-feel of IS They never disclosed the exact amounts of P130 or TAA in Summer but I’d not be surprised to find that its not a high dose - I’ve not had any “scary-young”-type results with up to 3/4 sprays of Summer and extra None, compared to teenagers getting very excited around me with 12.5-25mcg P130 and very overt None like 2-6 sprays TUTH. ---
**Author:** ![sillysilly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4bbf92/32.png) [@sillysilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sillysilly)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2014, 7:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/3 "2014-07-09T07:10:53Z")
OK Saturday night report 2 sprays summer ammo Guy mates are ignoring me and speaking over me i think there trying to get al excited and the p130 is to chill for them. (i then added 5mcg of tac) (Probably a bad move) Got 2 hits over the night with girls approaching and dancing, the first was just wanting me to be a chode and buy here a drink this only ever happens when im wearing (IG or TAC) that’s why i want to know if tac is in IG? FUCk the nice guy vibe i thourght so i added 2 drops a314, guys are super cool to me again and not ignoring me instead following me. and had a another girl approch me and was sexuall. So overall way to go summer ammo! got approched 2 times! So the summer ammo and 1 spray tac got the attraction age of a314 down to my age. Im really keen to try p74 with summer if summer can get the confident girls to approach me p74 i think will increase that, getting me noticed more, and hopefully keeping there attention longer. A314 2 drops 2 sprays summer ammo, 10mcg p74. I think i have a good mix to try. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2014, 9:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/4 "2014-07-09T09:59:33Z")
I’ve used Ammo/P74/A314 many times and its a good solid mix. The Ammo will soften the A314 very slightly, so I’d be wary of adding both TAC or [P130](https://a314.com/product/p130/) unless I saw obvious standing back from me but a little IS would be fine. I’d still have a togo of TUTH in my pocket to punch-up the Androstenone proportion if needed. This mix will still be pretty well-moderated, even on a younger guy. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2014, 7:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/5 "2014-07-10T19:16:34Z")
> [@sillysilly](#): > > I wonder how much p130 is in summer ammo, it must balance the rone well. [P130](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p130/) is in summer Ammo? Is that official or suspicion? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2014, 7:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/6 "2014-07-10T19:25:44Z")
Its official, along with TAA - Right back to the original announcement and re-confirmed since. ---
**Author:** ![Mrdimes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/50afbb/32.png) [@Mrdimes](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mrdimes)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2014, 2:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/7 "2014-07-19T02:40:44Z")
I find summer ammo to be less effective than ammo. And random guys get too comfortable with you. There not intimidated and will make jokes at your expense. I hate that. ---
**Author:** ![vanadium](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c4cdca/32.png) [@vanadium](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/vanadium)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2014, 6:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/8 "2014-07-21T06:42:30Z")
> [@Mrdimes](#): > > There not intimidated and will make jokes at your expense. I hate that. At your expense? What’s that? Play off it to your advantage. The way I see it, either there’s some truth to it (in which case, I’d better take note, so I can be a better person) or there isn’t (in which case, it’s laughable) Either way, the guy who chooses not to be injured by a jest looks stronger for it. ---
**Author:** ![sillysilly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4bbf92/32.png) [@sillysilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sillysilly)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2014, 7:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/9 "2014-07-21T07:38:14Z")
i think that’s p130 in general it can disinhibit people make people kind of lazy, so cold people will be cold and not think anything of what there saying. I was getting disrespected as well, my positive reactions from it were paired with either a314 or p102 ---
**Author:** ![CHALA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@CHALA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CHALA)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2014, 2:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/10 "2014-07-21T14:03:23Z")
> [@Mrdimes](#): > > I find summer ammo to be less effective than ammo. > > **And random guys get too comfortable with you.** There not intimidated and will make jokes at your expense. I hate that. Absolutely true. I’ve done previous reports on this in clubs. Random beta males will be attracted to you and following a short amount of time of exposure, will be different characters. They change persona in an instant, like they’ve had a 200% confidence injection. One male was even dancing in the club just in his underwear by the end of the night, when no females were in. I’m glad it’s not just me that’s reported this now. In short [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) Summer = Makes shy guys the life and soul of the party and draw attention away from you. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2014, 4:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/11 "2014-07-21T16:51:13Z")
> [@CHALA](#): > > They change persona in an instant, like they’ve had a 200% confidence injection. One male was even dancing in the club just in his underwear by the end of the night, when no females were in. That sounds a positive advantage - get the “try-too-hard” boys out in the open where they can make absolute fools of themselves and let the classy guys sail-on-in in their wake! 😃 And betas always try and crowd the alphas in almost any social sphere - so its a sign you are actually on-target with your mix. You should be encouraging them to the hilt as that will only un-qualify them in the eyes of any quality women there (do you actually want the kind of girl who goes on a guy who gets his kecks-out in public?) Intimidation is not the only factor here and especially with younger women, a more social and socially capable vibe will usually be much more attractive overall! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sillysilly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4bbf92/32.png) [@sillysilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sillysilly)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2014, 6:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/12 "2014-07-22T06:43:00Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > That sounds a positive advantage - get the “try-too-hard” boys out in the open where they can make absolute fools of themselves and let the classy guys sail-on-in in their wake! 😃 > > And betas always try and crowd the alphas in almost any social sphere - so its a sign you are actually on-target with your mix. You should be encouraging them to the hilt as that will only un-qualify them in the eyes of any quality women there (do you actually the kind of girl who goes on a guy who gets his kecks-out in public?) > > Intimidation is not the only factor here and especially with younger women, a more social and socially capable vibe will usually be much more attractive overall! 🙂 I remember 2 sprays summer hitting on these 3 young girls they were all giggling were al about to come to a bar with me when this guy came over and cock blocked me, the worst thing about it was he was looking down at me talking to me like i was some kind of drunk baby, and wouldn’t stop touching me it was so annoying i said dude why you keep touching me, the girls agreed but he successfully fucked shit up for me. I also agree with it making guys around you more confident, i dont see this is a bad thing its good. but when cock blocks feel no shame, and people dont see a issue being disrespectful, that’s its fall. p130 is the definition of cool, somone can cock block you, and because you are wearing p130/ta people think your to cool to get angry at there actions, its like guys know you wont fight back. but that exact coolness is what makes it good. Girls feel safe. Because your relaxed. I’m finding all [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) have both positives negatives sides nothings perfect. ---
**Author:** ![sillysilly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4bbf92/32.png) [@sillysilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sillysilly)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 1:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/13 "2014-07-26T01:55:18Z")
Tried summer ammo + a314 3drops a314 2sprays summer ammo 1 spray is 4mcg p103 It is a very solid combo! liked by everyone, never had so many positive reactions from pheromones, al smooth hits and seemed natural. p130 makes a314 not intimidating to younger people. It is much more fun than the tac alternative. Tac steers a314 more romantic, p130 goes the social route instead. Any group of girls on the dancer floor would open up to let me in, like every group, this is super social and cool got no bitchsheilds at all by anyone all all night. Feeling super confident knowing everyone i talk to well be positive. Problem was after about 30 seconds i could sense girls starting to hold back for some reason and break the sexual vibe, to a lets go slow response, although they would like to dance with me for the rest of the night. I’m thinking the a314 takes the mix completely over at this point so i need to lower it to 1 or 2 drops. summer ammo defiantly needs more respect, ig wont cut it i dont think. need a314 in lower proportions. p103 is a new one for me i could see exactly what it did, it really helped the groups of people opening up to invite me in, it has a party/feel good vibe to it, mabey its in mx297/is. draws people in. i have used it in higher dosage the first time i tried it and got just weird come in pull away reactions 4mcg worked well. come in slowly no pulling away, + hit girls way more than guys like girls were being pulled to it but no the guys, so maybe the rest of my mix affected it. as the other times i used it solo it had guys coming closer to me. does anyone know what p93 does to the respect of a314, if i use p93 can i keep the high 3 drops of a314 instead of dropping it. ---
**Author:** ![sillysilly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4bbf92/32.png) [@sillysilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sillysilly)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2014, 5:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/14 "2014-08-03T05:34:02Z")
Repeated this combo whitch got be my first one night stand! just droped the a314 down to 2 drops. and added 1 spray tuth. def going to use this mix again. i also have some more awesome summer ammo reports on summer ammo getting girls to chase buy me drinks and set me up with other girls. my regular ammo is useless to me now summer ammo is my favorite !!! ---
**Author:** ![CHALA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@CHALA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CHALA)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2014, 2:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/15 "2014-08-07T14:56:13Z")
I love Summer Ammo, like really LOVE it. I’m fine tuning it too, to make it more social proof and have a guaranteed hit rate. I’ve been playing aaround with it ever since it was released. Had the most success with: 2 x Ammo Summer front neck 1 x [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) back of neck. It’s a tried and tested formula, can never go wrong with it. It appeals to the younger crowd and also to everyone else. Give it a try. ---
**Author:** ![Himeros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/himeros/32/2325_2.png) [@Himeros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Himeros)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2014, 3:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/16 "2014-08-07T15:00:04Z")
> [@CHALA](#): > > I love Summer Ammo, like really LOVE it. I’m fine tuning it too, to make it more social proof and have a guaranteed hit rate. > > I’ve been playing around with it ever since it was released. Had the most success with: > > 2 x Ammo Summer front neck > > 1 x Instant Shine back of neck. > > It’s a tried and tested formula, can never go wrong with it. It appeals to the younger crowd and also to everyone else. Give it a try. Couple of questions. 1. How do you fine tune it? What do you add? 2. Can you elaborate a bit on the hits you get? Age range? What environments do you wear it? Ethnicities of the hits? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![sillysilly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4bbf92/32.png) [@sillysilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sillysilly)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2014, 7:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/17 "2014-08-11T07:28:26Z")
ok so i used the same combo again and got another one night stand! infact this one was much easier she approached me and with in a few minutes she happily followed me to my car, The only difference to the mix was i added some beta nol at 15mcg to 2 sprays summer ammo 2drops a314 1 spray IS 5mcg p103 I properly wont add the betanol again, because it was no longer a “fun” mix and i got no hits or ioi’s apart from that one good one. and i didn’t get the same social results. Another weird thing was a group of 10 girls admitted to me on the st that they were all looking for a one night stand!, but i left them because the other girl approached me. The following night i decided to change the a314 to IG, i was wary on doing so, becasue IG with normal ammo got girls frowning at me! OK so 2sprays IG 2sprays Summer ammo. 5mcg p103 i was in a really cool socialble smooth mood with friends, but as soon as i get to talking to girls they FROWN. eveygirl would frown at me this is even worse than normal ammo mixed with IG. I couldn’t even say hello to girls, excpted one who told me she was single until her friend assaulted me!! ITs like the none is so well bufferd that im calling girls ugly with my mix? i dont know. anyway. good learning curve/shit night. Not hating on IG its good just not mixed with either of the ammo. I wasn’t felling bad myself but for some reason i was feeling sorry for people. Im finding a314 so good in clubs. - with summer ammo/a314 bitchshelids are low, lower than mx297, - targets friends are way less likely to cock-block in-fact they will help me. - I get back lost respect from men with summer ammo - leader qualitys of a314 is greater with men because of the likability of summer ammo So i know this is the best club mix for me so far. seems to attract al ages, but only highly confident girls. I want to try change it to a more nice girl liking it. I tryed with IG Ideas 2 spray summer 2 spray mx297 anyone tried? ---
**Author:** ![sillysilly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4bbf92/32.png) [@sillysilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sillysilly)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/18 "2014-08-11T07:35:54Z")
> [@CHALA](#): > > I love Summer Ammo, like really LOVE it. I’m fine tuning it too, to make it more social proof and have a guaranteed hit rate. > > I’ve been playing aaround with it ever since it was released. Had the most success with: > > 2 x Ammo Summer front neck > > 1 x Instant Shine back of neck. > > It’s a tried and tested formula, can never go wrong with it. It appeals to the younger crowd and also to everyone else. Give it a try. I will try this, O wait i have already tried it, this girl put my hand up her skirt while her boyfriend left the room. (she told me she was way to much of a slut for this guy) she then told me i could come to her apartment and she would set me up with her friend. I need to try this mix again! I put this hit in the box of troubled relationship/drunk girl obvilating/ weird shit that’s not normal and beyond pheromones, regardless if the mix was good or not. have you tried summer with mx297? ---
**Author:** ![Mrdimes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/50afbb/32.png) [@Mrdimes](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mrdimes)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2014, 9:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/19 "2014-08-11T09:10:22Z")
> [@sillysilly](#): > > I will try this, O wait i have already tried it, this girl put my hand up her skirt while her boyfriend left the room. (she told me she was way to much of a slut for this guy) she then told me i could come to her apartment and she would set me up with her friend. I need to try this mix again! > I put this hit in the box of troubled relationship/drunk girl obvilating/ weird shit that’s not normal and beyond pheromones, regardless if the mix was good or not. > > have you tried summer with mx297? What? Wow. I wore summer ammo alone and got nothing near this. In fact friends just messed with me unlike usual. And girls were just comfortable around me that’s it. Could instant shine really add that much of a difference? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2014, 9:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/20 "2014-08-11T09:13:48Z")
IS won’t add a great deal - A little makes it brighter and more playful maybe and for a longer period as the IS steering takes-over the TAA in the mix to some degree. So you can use a lower than normal dose of IS to begin with. 🙂 [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345.md?page=2)