# Summer ammo. vs Standard - p130 report **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 4, 2014, 6:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345 "2014-07-04T06:56:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2014, 9:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/21 "2014-08-11T09:19:18Z")
> [@sillysilly](#): > > ok so i used the same combo again and got another one night stand! infact this one was much easier she approached me and with in a few minutes she happily followed me to my car, > > The only difference to the mix was i added some beta nol at 15mcg to > 2 sprays summer ammo > 2drops a314 > 1 spray IS > 5mcg p103 > > I properly wont add the betanol again, because it was no longer a “fun” mix and i got no hits or ioi’s apart from that one good one. and i didn’t get the same social results. > > Another weird thing was a group of 10 girls admitted to me on the st that they were all looking for a one night stand!, but i left them because the other girl approached me. > > The following night i decided to change the a314 to IG, i was wary on doing so, becasue IG with normal ammo got girls frowning at me! > > OK so > 2sprays IG > 2sprays Summer ammo. > 5mcg p103 > > i was in a really cool socialble smooth mood with friends, but as soon as i get to talking to girls they FROWN. eveygirl would frown at me this is even worse than normal ammo mixed with IG. I couldn’t even say hello to girls, excpted one who told me she was single until her friend assaulted me!! ITs like the none is so well bufferd that im calling girls ugly with my mix? i dont know. anyway. good learning curve/shit night. Not hating on IG its good just not mixed with either of the ammo. I wasn’t felling bad myself but for some reason i was feeling sorry for people. > > Im finding a314 so good in clubs. > > - with summer ammo/a314 bitchshelids are low, lower than mx297, > - targets friends are way less likely to cock-block in-fact they will help me. > - I get back lost respect from men with summer ammo > - leader qualitys of a314 is greater with men because of the likability of summer ammo > > So i know this is the best club mix for me so far. > seems to attract al ages, but only highly confident girls. > > I want to try change it to a more nice girl liking it. > > I tryed with IG > > Ideas > > 2 spray summer > 2 spray mx297 > > anyone tried? This is crying-out for more None as you have huge moderation/comfort and clear evidence of disinhibition IOIs but next to-no sexual punch to the mix - I’d lay good money that they are getting all the right frisky feelings and are all-up for acting them out but nothing in the mix is helping them to latch the feelings on to you. Tray adding 1-4 sprays TUTH across the course of the evening! 😃 I’ve also found that P103 can produce a very strong and sudden rush of disinhibition - but the downside is that they can notice it themselves and pull-back, just as suddenly. If you swap for P83, that would produce a smoother run of disinhibition, not so immediately/harshly physical but more manageable for you in the longer term. Summer/[MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) - Good social/playful but I’d question its viability over just MX297 and a sexual. ---
**Author:** ![sillysilly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4bbf92/32.png) [@sillysilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sillysilly)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2014, 7:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/22 "2014-08-12T07:37:00Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > This is crying-out for more None as you have huge moderation/comfort and clear evidence of disinhibition IOIs but next to-no sexual punch to the mix - I’d lay good money that they are getting all the right frisky feelings and are all-up for acting them out but nothing in the mix is helping them to latch the feelings on to you. Tray adding 1-4 sprays TUTH across the course of the evening! 😃 > > I’ve also found that P103 can produce a very strong and sudden rush of disinhibition - but the downside is that they can notice it themselves and pull-back, just as suddenly. If you swap for P83, that would produce a smoother run of disinhibition, not so immediately/harshly physical but more manageable for you in the longer term. > > Summer/MX297 - Good social/playful but I’d question its viability over just MX297 and a sexual. Adding tuth will be steering mx297 into 28+ for me. p96 on the other hand and i get the same response your talking about with p103, girls will walk over and touch me, rub against me but as soon as they do that the run straight away like they didnt realise what they did, right in front of there boyfriends. p103 im not getting the draw back response your talking about. p83 and i scare some girls away, its like the opposite of p103 that draws them in. The reason im using p103 is becasue it draws girls in close proximity, making it easy to approach them, expeciily good on a quiet night as i can seem way more smooth and not walk across the bar to talk to her, just talk to the ones that get close. On a busy night i can see p103 just being a annoyance, i get the same with mx297 so mabey p103 is in there. i should mention that my p103 togo bottle also has p86 in it. so maybe it stops the pull back affect! I will try p83/p86 combo instead next time though, but i find p83 a hard molecule to use, and understand. p83 p102 p93 p96 are the molecules im having trouble with and have put them to the side. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2014, 8:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/23 "2014-08-12T08:58:15Z")
If you have any P75, that also helps [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) pack as sexual punch around younger/none sensitive women and 297 is superb social moderation for the potential severity of P75 as well -next to IO, its the best complement to P75 I’ve found yet - although 297 is not so viable in more complex mixes alongside P75. I don’t find P96 quite so harsh/sudden, “jump all over me” physical as P103 but yes, it does encourage a more dreamy/sensual and near unconscious physical response - the sort of thing that has women rubbing themselves right in front of me whilst bfs and the world in general looks-on. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![sillysilly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4bbf92/32.png) [@sillysilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sillysilly)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 8:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/24 "2014-08-13T08:51:02Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > If you have any P75, that also helps MX297 pack as sexual punch around younger/none sensitive women and 297 is superb social moderation for the potential severity of P75 as well -next to IO, its the best complement to P75 I’ve found yet - although 297 is not so viable in more complex mixes alongside P75. > > I don’t find P96 quite so harsh/sudden, “jump all over me” physical as P103 but yes, it does encourage a more dreamy/sensual and near unconscious physical response - the sort of thing that has women rubbing themselves right in front of me whilst bfs and the world in general looks-on. 😃 p75 i have varied response’s with, used at 2.5mcg somdays its terrible some days its gold. what else can you tell me about p96, i understand its lowering in intimidation affect, people look at me as someone who can help them. or spill there guts to. i.e reason it can get disrespect from guys I believe people use putative’s at way to higher dosages. i.e a dosage they can see blatant hits, but not dosages that they can see smooth flowing hits. like p74 for example 10mcg good self effects, good vibes. but maybe it is even more useful at much smaller dosages such as 2.5mcg as it goes fully under the rader. and dosnt get a draw back like what your saying with p103. but gets a slow building trust that has the potential to get much higher, it just needs more time, although the first noticed affects don’t seem noticeable at all. mabey p96 is the same. higher dosages is screaming i will support you. lower dosages wil give people the small underlying feeling that you can help them in a way that is totally unnoticeable apart from the targets subconscious mind rather than conscious mind. giving the user confusion is it worth wearing something i cant see obvious results with, but having a deeper affect ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 9:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/25 "2014-08-13T09:49:40Z")
I get the same with P75 - but it becomes much more manageable/predictable with something social/engaging - [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), MX297 or IO are all good for this. My two best daytime/younger outlook mixes in recent years have been Summer Ammo/P75/IG and MX297/P75, although the latter is more of an attention-getting/celebrity vibe and needs to be handled with a bit of panache. I’ve never seen the “helpful” thing with P96 - but mostly I use it with balls-out sexual or status sexual mixes, where it seems to help people feel much more willing to express/act-out their arousal and accept status in a more flowing way. A314/P96 is smooth understated/mastery indeed!. I find 25mcg my sweet spot but it will provide a useful steering quality at much lower doses. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sillysilly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4bbf92/32.png) [@sillysilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sillysilly)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2014, 4:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/26 "2014-08-15T04:51:46Z")
> [@CHALA](#): > > I love Summer Ammo, like really LOVE it. I’m fine tuning it too, to make it more social proof and have a guaranteed hit rate. > > I’ve been playing aaround with it ever since it was released. Had the most success with: > > 2 x Ammo Summer front neck > > 1 x Instant Shine back of neck. > > It’s a tried and tested formula, can never go wrong with it. It appeals to the younger crowd and also to everyone else. Give it a try. Hey have you tried summer ammo with a314? how would you compare that with your standard summer ammo mix, and is one spray instant shine better than 2 and whys that? ---
**Author:** ![windersan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/71e660/32.png) [@windersan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/windersan)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2014, 10:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345/27 "2014-11-17T22:09:25Z")
2 x A314 3 x summer ammo Was on the way to a strip club, but spotted an azn massage parlor across the street, so I decided to go there instead . . . Ordered a 2 hour massage from this korean, it was a VERY nice massage! She was straight up massaging me with her thighs, pretty cool. I couldn’t help but feel up her leg here and there meanwhile, from the getgo. After the flip, I was hard as a rock, and pretty much I grabbed her tits and put her hands on my cock. Haven’t tested this out yet at clubs. 1 A314 & 2 Ammo was solid at first, but not fun enough for dancing, etc. Summer ammo would be good. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/summer-ammo-vs-standard-p130-report/62345.md?page=1)