# Surprising first date **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 22, 2008, 12:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/surprising-first-date/24158 "2008-12-22T00:46:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Scentible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/73ab20/32.png) [@Scentible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Scentible)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/surprising-first-date/24158/21 "2009-01-14T10:28:45Z")
You can stop the feminity totally by adjusting for this girl… You are even thinking about what SHE thinks YOU should wear. Come on dude, give me a break… you wear what you like and how you like it. If you adjust yourself totally to be her perfect match you are setting yourself up for a complete imbalanced relationship where you are constantly chasing her. Secondly, its quite obvious this girl has major insecurity issues. First lying about her age, because she thinks you might reject her? And then playing the game of push and pull all the time also shows quite some issues and also immaturity. I think you should consider leaving this sinking ship behind and move on. However I can also understand that you still wantto try and then I would recommend living your life as you want it, stop looking for het affirmation. ---
**Author:** ![galydrum](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/galydrum/32/5181_2.png) [@galydrum](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/galydrum)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/surprising-first-date/24158/22 "2009-01-14T18:48:18Z")
> [@Scentible](#): > > You can stop the feminity totally by adjusting for this girl… You are even thinking about what SHE thinks YOU should wear. Come on dude, give me a break… you wear what you like and how you like it. If you adjust yourself totally to be her perfect match you are setting yourself up for a complete imbalanced relationship where you are constantly chasing her. > > Secondly, its quite obvious this girl has major insecurity issues. First lying about her age, because she thinks you might reject her? And then playing the game of push and pull all the time also shows quite some issues and also immaturity. > I think you should consider leaving this sinking ship behind and move on. However I can also understand that you still wantto try and then I would recommend living your life as you want it, stop looking for het affirmation. Yeah, don’t follow her lead. I wasn’t suggesting that he ask her for fashion tips. Just subtly adjust his vibe a bit. Clothing goes a long way. As for insecurity and immaturity issues. Only he can decide about that. Everyone has insecurities somewhere. If she can get over them, great. If not, then it’s his call. I am not from the school of “Insecurities? Drop her like a ton of bricks!” ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 8:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/surprising-first-date/24158/23 "2009-01-14T20:21:17Z")
If she thought you smelled like piss… she’s sensitive to androstenone. You didn’t do yourself any favors by saying you were wearing crappy cologne. Then again, there’s not much you can do with “You smell like piss!”. A314 and IG are both androsterone based. One or the other, not both. Too much rone makes you seem too old. I suggest against IG, although I am not familiar with it. TAL only gives the appearance of feminine if it’s not matched or overbalanced with none or rone. You’ll do best to take the advice of these other guys and stop catering to her every whim. That is Beta male response, and it says she’s more valuable than you are, which leaves her wondering what’s the point of dating you? I agree that she’s insecure, and probably a little cracked too, based on the BS about her age. I personally don’t take kindly to liars, and I’d probably have dropped her right there. I guarantee you, she’d have more respect for you if you had. In the end, I think you have to get over the idea that one woman - any one woman - is your only option. She’s not. No matter how physically attractive… statistically, there are tens of thousands or even millions more like her out there. And you become a lot more attractive if you act like you have other options. Pheromones aren’t gonna do it for you on this one, although they can help. ---
**Author:** ![Standard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@Standard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Standard)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 11:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/surprising-first-date/24158/24 "2009-01-14T23:38:20Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > You’ll do best to take the advice of these other guys and stop catering to her every whim. That is Beta male response, and it says she’s more valuable than you are, which leaves her wondering what’s the point of dating you? I think that’s coz I’m easy going, I’m the same with friends, always lending a helping hand. I do it because I want to, but as soon as I feel my kind gestures are being abused then I would stop and say ‘no’. Currently I don’t feel she is forcing me to do anything, she’s only been suggesting I buy cK, wear some new cologne. I don’t plan to wear cK anytime soon coz I don’t really like their designs, but when someone says “your generic cologne smells like piss”, wouldn’t you WANT to get new cologne? ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 11:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/surprising-first-date/24158/25 "2009-01-27T23:36:42Z")
> [@dhh](#): > > Look for IOIs and if they are present, see how far you can take it. Touch her hand, arms, shoulders, back, etc. and gauge the reaction. If she pulls away it doesn’t mean she doesnt like you. It means she isnt ready for it yet so don’t be discouraged. > > A good time to try it is when you guys are walking close to each other or maybe when you open the car door for her to get out, offer her your hand. > > However, don’t get too touchy because then you’ll seem desperate. > > How did you guys end the date last time? Hand shake? Hug? Oh my…I’m no expert, but a hand shake is never good. That speaks business to me if a guy does it. If you don’t kiss her a hug is definitely good. I love it when they can’t take their eyes off me and keep staring longingly even as their leaving. A kiss would prob be good on the second date though. I always like mine on the first date, but you’d prob wanna take it a bit slower [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/surprising-first-date/24158.md?page=1)