# Swingers sex club-dance club on steroids! HELP! I am drowning! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 5, 2012, 11:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/swingers-sex-club-dance-club-on-steroids-help-i-am-drowning/54804 "2012-03-05T11:16:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![needsomehelp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@needsomehelp](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/needsomehelp)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 11:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/swingers-sex-club-dance-club-on-steroids-help-i-am-drowning/54804/1 "2012-03-05T11:16:59Z")
LONG POST WARNING! LOL! Please read and helpful suggestions wanted! OK! I am sure that the title caught a few peoples attention and has you thinking WTF is this guy on here for if he is going to sex clubs? Getting laid should be a piece of cake, right? WRONG! If you think competing against the guys in a regular bar is hard (no pun intended!), multiply that by about 3 and that will give you the general idea. You find yourself competing against very experienced men that are usually super confident and socially outgoing. My background and the reason I am searching for some help… Introduced into this lifestyle by my girlfriend, I am really new to the enviroment while she actually helps run the place! I am a mid 40’s white male, not bad looking but not an Adonis by any means, just your average guy in all departments. This is where I a am running into problems! As the male half of the couple, it is hard for me to compete against the other men who are very aggressive by nature, exuding confidence and sex appeal. My GF says that at the club, I do not act like myself, and get really too quiet, introverted actually, not just letting myself go. She is right. To compound the problems, she has to work the club for a lot of the first part of any night, thus I become the dreaded Single Male. In the lifestyle, other couples treat single males with suspicion, distrust, and some, outright hostility. As I heard one male discribe it, it is like going to a potluck dinner without bringing a dish! It is hard enough being on the shy side, but then having to overcome the “SM” vibe, it has not been leading to a lot of success! I see couples that are a lot less attractive (and males a lot less gifted downstairs!) have lots of success while it has been a lot more miss than hit with us…When we have played with others, they leave more than satisfied and do want repeat performances, so no trouble there, just getting to that point is a huge problem. My GF says I am laying too much pressure on myself, and it shows ☹ SO… I need something, or a mix of somethings, that will help me cut through some of the disadvantages I have to overcome. Honestly, I have had a lot more success in regular bars and clubs than at sex clubs! Go figure! To describe the club in more detail, it is a highly charged environment, sexually. You will actually see sex acts breaking out on the dance floor, in the bar area, by or in the jacuzzi, basically anywhere. The couples and single females (they get treated like gold, go figure! lol!) are there to socialize and to have sex. They do not make any bones about it, none of the usual games that can happen at a regular club. I need to be able to cut through all of this and get these woman to stand up and take notice! It is the woman that make the decisions for the most part, not the men. TUTH was one suggestion made in the intro section. I need them to have me come up to them and think “I want this guy to throw me down and take me right here!” Maybe i am asking for too much, but have witnessed these other guys doing it, and would like it to be me! Even better would be to have them come up to me and start the action! This is also something that I have witnessed there, but have yet to experience! By the way, the age group of the people there vary, from 20 to 60, but most are between 35 and 50, mostly white with a mix of asian, hispanic, and african american, if that makes a difference. Is there any sprays out there that might be too powerful for the average use, but would work here? I mean, there are people having sex at the table next to you while you are having a drink! Talk about natural [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) already flowing! LOL! ---
**Author:** ![magus808](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@magus808](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/magus808)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 12:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/swingers-sex-club-dance-club-on-steroids-help-i-am-drowning/54804/2 "2012-03-05T12:17:00Z")
One thing you have to realize about mones is, Pheromones are not some magical love potion that will make women drop their panties for you. If she is not attracted to you, no Pheromone in the world will change that. How many times have you seen a hot chick at a bar, but never said anything? or you started a conversation, but that didn’t go anywhere. What mones will do is (depending on what you’re wearing) help make your conversations go smoother, and or give the girl a positive vibe that you are confident, clean, and a trustworthy person. If you are not her type or she is not attracted to you in that way, mones wont help you get her to bed. I for one have always used TUTH as a late addon. I HARDLY ever wear TUTH when meeting someone for the first time or clubbing. TUTH might actually hurt you as it may give off the vibe of you being horny and desperate for sex. However in your situation that you described looks like sex is in the air, and on the menu. I recommend A314 to your jawline, and Instant Jerk. Maybe some [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) added, but if I were you I would go out with a bang for that type of party. That mix should get you to stick out in front of the other males. The amount is dependant on your sweet spot which you should figure out before you go into action. Steve has a nice write up on how to find your sweet spot if you haven’t read it. I suggest you do. Here is the link to the Sweet Spot Write up: > [@How to find your sweet spot...](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-find-your-sweet-spot/22146/1): > > Lately I have been getting a lot of calls from guys and gals unsure what the forum members mean when we say “sweet spot.”:stuck\_out\_tongue: Here’s a very simple way to find your individual sweet spot for each consumer line product like: Ishine IH IO AMMO A314 TUTH and so on. It’s very easy to do and I hope this guide offers you the assistance you need. When applying the pheromones, please ensure that you are using only one (1) [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/) at a time. This step is extremely importan… ---
**Author:** ![needsomehelp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@needsomehelp](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/needsomehelp)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 12:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/swingers-sex-club-dance-club-on-steroids-help-i-am-drowning/54804/3 "2012-03-05T12:34:46Z")
yes, I realize that spraying on a phero will not make a woman drop her panties (not that many are wearing them!) but am looking for something that will A) draw their attention to me over the other 30-40 alpha type males also interested! LOL! Also would like to overcome the Single Male distrust that is a problem. While i am not a Single Male, they view it as such as I start the night out alone. The hard part is that couples tend to start the night out making connections with other couples for later on. I have to be able to be outgoing enough to take up the slack of not having my girlfriend there for the first few hours. Like I said, a regular club on steroids! Lots of alpha males making a first impression. Would like to be able to make a better first impression than them! LOL! Not saying we are striking out, by any means, but just would like to make go a little smoother. I get nervous and unsure how to get it going and this come accross. Maybe looking for a social type pheromone to push over that hump and turn a social meet into a very sexual meet. Tell me more about the [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/)…since there is already a level of distrust due to the perceiving me as a single male, would that be a good choice? ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 1:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/swingers-sex-club-dance-club-on-steroids-help-i-am-drowning/54804/4 "2012-03-05T13:10:47Z")
If you need the alpha male vibe then go with a combo of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) & A314. Read the thread in my signature block about this combo. You could possibly add some IO into the mix to help with those intial conversations. I am not sure you need TUTH. Everyone there is already looking for sex. You just want to stand out in the crowd. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 1:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/swingers-sex-club-dance-club-on-steroids-help-i-am-drowning/54804/5 "2012-03-05T13:48:33Z")
You definitely need some A314 in there! 2-3 drops. I would go with the Boss recommendation, and IF I was to add anything else, it would be TUTH to the tummy and/or chest under your shirt/t-shirt. IS and/or IH wouldn’t hurt either. ---
**Author:** ![MclarenMercedesF1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mclarenmercedesf1/32/2073_2.png) [@MclarenMercedesF1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MclarenMercedesF1)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 10:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/swingers-sex-club-dance-club-on-steroids-help-i-am-drowning/54804/6 "2012-03-05T22:01:19Z")
hmm, I must do research at this place to see what you need to change, please send me the exact address to this club please! =P ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 4:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/swingers-sex-club-dance-club-on-steroids-help-i-am-drowning/54804/7 "2012-03-06T04:36:28Z")
Well, no matter how you cut it, this _is_ a competition. You want to come across as confident/sexy/friendly and you want to be attractive/desirable to the women but at the same time you want to avoid aggressiveness or to be perceived as a threat to the men. You, of course, know this would be a helluva lot easier and you’d have more success if you had your GF by your side to sweeten the way in. No doubt, it’s harder to open a couple for this kind of exchange if a quarter of the equation is MIA. As far as approaching other couples and them being uneasy because they think you’re there as a single man… when you introduce yourself, mention your girlfriend right away. Say something like, “Hi, I’m Joe. I’m here with my girlfriend Mandy. Unfortunately, she’s here working for the first part of the party but I’d love to introduce you to her a little later when we’re both free to play.” Then point out your “dish”. 😃 Then, perhaps, buy them a drink if drinks are served. If they aren’t appropriately responsive, then smile, tell them to have fun and move on. You’re a nice sexy guy and have other options to explore. Go cast your line elsewhere, plenty more fish to bait! My father-in-law always says, “If you miss the bus, another will be along in 20 minutes”. Get your tokens ready! 😉 If single men are allowed in, then it should be understood/expected that anyone else in attendance is fair game to be approached whether they are a couple or also single. If single males are usually met with such “suspicion, distrust, and some, outright hostility” then, as a _private_ club, which it evidently is, if they wanted to, they could easily alleviate the “problem” of single males by denying them entry. No muss, no fuss, no explanation necessary. In a private club, there is no such thing as discrimination. Whatever, some establishments just don’t want to turn away the $$$$'s, so the other patrons just have to grudgingly accept single men being there if they want to play at that club. The club owners don’t care if you can’t manage to get laid, it’s not their problem, and if you do cause any real problems they’ll just bounce your ass and ban you. Single ladies are always welcome. They’re like extra frosting on an already over decorated cake, lol, and in this case, you can never have too much frosting! I can see where you’d have much better luck scoring at a regular bar/club. Almost everyone there is single and looking. Usually, you’re not trying to crack some other guy’s girl/wife right in front of him. You don’t have to “sell” yourself to a woman’s partner as well. It’s everyman/woman for him/herself. That’s a huge advantage right there! 😉 Also, you aren’t _quite_ as blatant as to why you’re there or what your intention is in a regular club. Yes, we all know a lot of people are there to get picked up/laid but there are those who are not there for that. And the ones who are, are _mostly_ clothed and it really is a _dance_ club, not a monkey-dance club, lol. No one is literally dancing or sitting around with their woohaa/woowoo hanging out. There is no fucking on the dance floor aside from the occasional dry humping… or in the lounge… or at the bar… although there might be some in the restroom. There is no hot tub… no fully equipped S&M room… no gloryholes… no peepholes/voyeurs room… unless the restroom shares the same wall as the kitchen or you happen to walk in on some impromptu restroom action, lol. > [@needsomehelp](#): > > _ **Not saying we are striking out, by any means, but just would like to make go a little smoother. I get nervous and unsure how to get it going and this come accross. Maybe looking for a social type pheromone to push over that hump and turn a social meet into a very sexual meet.** _ > > _ **Tell me more about the Instant Jerk…since there is already a level of distrust due to the perceiving me as a single male, would that be a good choice?** _ [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) is mostly used for social proofing, in a way. And in this case it might work for you because it gives the impression that you’ve just had sex with another woman. If you smell like you’ve already been laid, it shows that you’re desirable and that is _suppose_ to make you more attractive to _some women. As to how it will actually work? Well, you could attract some and repel others. So, it’s gonna be a crap shoot. As mobo suggested, if you want to try TUTH, it might be best to warm them up at first and then if things seem to be proceeding in the right direction, hit them with it a little later to push it over the edge. Although adding TUTH… i.e., more_ Androstenone… could also push _him_ over the edge into more aggressive/competitive behavior towards you as well. That said, I might just skip TUTH and IJ. You really don’t need them in this situation. The atmosphere is already sexually super-charged enough. I’m going with what has been previously suggested… A314, AMMO, IShine and /or IO… and, perhaps, some TAC added to also grease the way. P103 could have also been useful here but it’s N/A. I personally would stay away from IH because it’s a double-edged sword. On one hand, we know that it inspires deeper conversation/connection and that involves deeper thoughts, which on the other hand, can bring about unexpected/unwanted emotions that can rise to the surface. So, it can be good or notsogood depending on the circumstances. In this instance, I’d be inclined to keep it on a lighter level. So IO, rather than IH, would be my choice. I love to use IH during intimate encounters with my husband because it enhances an already deep emotional connection but I’m not so sure I’d be comfortable with that oh-so-close-feeling during a sexual encounter with strangers. Yeah, not so sure I’d want to feel so close or want them to feel so close and tap a potentially emotional can of worms with someone I just wanna bump uglies with. But that’s me. 🙂 As we’ve so often said, rather than putting so much emphasis on sexually attractive pheromones… putting people at ease by using the more social ones to create a friendly/comfortable/fun vibe can go a long way to getting you more of what you want. No matter which pheromones you use, the most important thing is to step up to the plate and get in the game. You might have some women who will chase you but even in a sex club _you_, as the man, are expected to do the approaching! You’re new to the whole lifestyle scene, so as you attend more of these parties and get the lay of the land 😃, you’ll become more familiar with it and that alone should make you feel a bit more comfortable/confident to cautiously proceed. And as you try different combinations of pheromone, you’ll also discover what works best for you. You’ll get the hang of it. Practice makes perfect! 🙂 Bella ---
**Author:** ![needsomehelp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@needsomehelp](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/needsomehelp)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 9:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/swingers-sex-club-dance-club-on-steroids-help-i-am-drowning/54804/8 "2012-03-06T09:41:53Z")
Bella! You described the place much better than I ever could have! 😃 You hit many of the finer points right on the head, lol. From your response, I take it that you have been there, rode the ride, got the t=shirt! Yes, it IS a competition, and for a lot of the shoot out, I am there with only half the ammunition as my competitors! 🙄 Yes, not having 1/4 of the equation available adds a huge hurdle to overcome and makes me have to work it a lot harder than if we were together. There is nobody there to cover your back, so to speak, and you are always outnumbered! 😉 sort of feel like one of those guys trying to keep all the plates spinning at the same time, having to catch the attention of the female while making sure the male knows I am not there just to do his wife while he stands there twidling his…um…thumbs!!! The other problem I am finding is that it is more of a strike while the iron is hot situation. Most couples do not want to wait a few hours to play, they know why they are there and want things to progress quickly! I realize that, and know it. What I want to try and do is make enough of an impression that, later on, they will see us and think “there was something about that guy we need to investigate further!” Yes, it is a private club that USUALLY does not allow Single Males. The exceptions are few and far between, and usually involve long time members that for one reason or another do not have their female with them. There are some guys, though, that go to great lengths (pun intended!) to get into the club even though they are not with a partner. Some will bring a female in as a “ticket of entry” where the female has no intention of playing at all. These guys usually end up going home frustrated, unless they have an extremely good game. It is rare that they come in and get laid. This gives anyone perceived as a SM a bad perception right off the bat. Actually, on a few occasions so far, the club has called on MY talents to help escort out the male half of a few couples that were causing problems and need to leave. So, long story short, I do make a point of making sure to inform them quickly I am here with my GF who probably checked them in. Another thing I have been doing the last few times there is giving the tours to the new members(noobies! 😉 ). While this has not paid off yet, I can see it paying dividends in the future. The first few visits, noobies usually stand around a lot with the deer in the headlight looks on their faces, and just watch the festivities, lol! You are correct in saying that it does get easier as you keep going back, get more comfortable, get used to the fact that it is a lot more direct than a normal club would be. Since I am at a real disadvantage right from the start, I decided to investigate ways to help equalize the odds a little bit in my favor! I see a lot of people recommending the A314 as a base, but the toss up is adding TUTH or AMMO. some say add TUTH, some say it is not needed. It sounds like they are very similar in what they do and I am trying to figure out the difference in the TUTH and AMMO and decide what would be a better fit for me. Thanks for all the replies! I figured that it was a topic that would really get people’s attention and would get some cool responses. i did not see any other threads talking about using these products at a sex club! lol! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 9:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/swingers-sex-club-dance-club-on-steroids-help-i-am-drowning/54804/9 "2012-03-06T09:47:39Z")
If you are approaching a couple (or woman who has a boyfriend/husband with them) it seems to me that your best move will be to gain rapport/comfort with the man. I know that sounds bass-ackwards, but she will want his approval. This approval can be unspoken but if he’s comfortable she will become comfortable. (I use this same method in networking when I need to approach a couple, often times being a man and walking up to speak to a woman even in a business environment can send bad messages to the husband/boyfriend.) A314 will basically turn you into a dependable alpha male, the type of guy who he will WANT to get busy with his wife. James Bond, if you will. [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) variants would also be good for this as well as Instant Shine/Openness. I know this part sounds crazy, too. You sort of WANT to get friend-zoned. Because then you are not competition - you are a safe toy to play with. The majority seems to think sex club = sex pheros. This is inaccurate since everybody there already wants sex. You need to bring in the comfort zone. If you put on too much TUTH you will look like a predator. They don’t want a predator they want a friend. If you go the TUTH route make sure you buffer with Shine, Openness, or Honesty. (A314+IOpen+IShine is best for this, IMO.) Anyway thats my two scents. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 9:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/swingers-sex-club-dance-club-on-steroids-help-i-am-drowning/54804/10 "2012-03-06T09:56:47Z")
I’d rock the A314:AMMO:IS combo, and have a TO-GO bottle of TUTH or TO-GO bottle of -None in my pocket just before I started playing **‘HIDE AND GO GET HER!’** looking for your _mate of the evening’s_ most sensitve nerve endings. But that’s just me. 🙄 Excuse me ladies … but -none on the top of the hands and serving your lover some serious breast and nipple play while ah, er, erah … **feasting** , ROCKS!!! 😛 Throw in a mint or two just before, and she may start singing, “Y M C A!” Don’t you dare leave home without it!!! 😃 If you visit this place often, you have plenty of time to test out ALL MIXES and PRODUCTS to find what gives you the BEST ADVANTAGE. It’s about testing, so TEST; annnnnnnnnnd GET’ER DONE! THOROUGHLY!!! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![needsomehelp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@needsomehelp](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/needsomehelp)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 10:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/swingers-sex-club-dance-club-on-steroids-help-i-am-drowning/54804/11 "2012-03-06T10:06:56Z")
Yes john, you are correct in approaching the male and getting his approval, but it really does boil down to the woman making the calls there. It is strange! I am actually pretty good at getting the guys won over to my side fairly easily (comparably speaking) once i get them to engage in conversation, but seem to be a bit of a ghost to the woman. Some woman actually seem a little hostile, like they are protecting the male half. There are so many variables at play here! More so than at a normal club! Go figure! LOL! A normal club, you have to get into the brain of a single person in order to get into the pants, so to speak! Here, you have to get into the brain of two people, and also read their body language and try to figure out THEIR relationship/interation at the same time. I know it sounds funny, but there is a lot of insecurity going on between some of the couples at the club, so you have to be mindful of that! I feel honored that the operations manager of the place has taken an interest in my post! COOL BEANS! LOL! Thanks for the advice! Yes, john, I would LOVE to try 4-5 of the different mixes and see how they would work/not work in this rare type of situation, but, like everybody else, money is a little tight right now! That is one of the reasons I was trying to narrow it down to two for now. Actually waiting to get the $25 off from my welcome post, so i can order the A314 plus the other one I choose! I do not think that androtics has had too many test subjects trying out their products in my type of situation!!! I will be sure to post my results with whatever i do end up trying! Now that would be a hell of an advertisement! “I could not even get laid in a sex club until I tried…!” LMAO! ---
**Author:** ![needsomehelp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@needsomehelp](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/needsomehelp)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 10:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/swingers-sex-club-dance-club-on-steroids-help-i-am-drowning/54804/12 "2012-03-06T10:10:22Z")
have to run out real quick, but M&M, you cracked me up!!! Yes, I go there every two weeks, so plenty of time to test them all out, just not the pocketbook to be ordering them all right now!! I will respond more later! Thanks guys and girls! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 12:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/swingers-sex-club-dance-club-on-steroids-help-i-am-drowning/54804/13 "2012-03-06T12:45:13Z")
> [@needsomehelp](#): > > Yes john, you are correct in approaching the male and getting his approval, but it really does boil down to the woman making the calls there. It is strange! I am actually pretty good at getting the guys won over to my side fairly easily (comparably speaking) once i get them to engage in conversation, but seem to be a bit of a ghost to the woman. Some woman actually seem a little hostile, like they are protecting the male half. There are so many variables at play here! More so than at a normal club! Go figure! LOL! A normal club, you have to get into the brain of a single person in order to get into the pants, so to speak! Here, you have to get into the brain of two people, and also read their body language and try to figure out THEIR relationship/interation at the same time. I know it sounds funny, but there is a lot of insecurity going on between some of the couples at the club, so you have to be mindful of that! This makes a lot of sense to me and is quite the challenge. A bit of -none for her and -rone for him is best I think. Thank you for further insight, as I haven’t been in that type of environment before. > [@needsomehelp](#): > > I feel honored that the operations manager of the place has taken an interest in my post! COOL BEANS! LOL! Thanks for the advice! You took the time to make these posts and added in all of your detail, I felt like you deserved the same in response from us. 🙂 > [@needsomehelp](#): > > Yes, john, I would LOVE to try 4-5 of the different mixes and see how they would work/not work in this rare type of situation, but, like everybody else, money is a little tight right now! That is one of the reasons I was trying to narrow it down to two for now. Actually waiting to get the $25 off from my welcome post, so i can order the A314 plus the other one I choose! > > I do not think that androtics has had too many test subjects trying out their products in my type of situation!!! I will be sure to post my results with whatever i do end up trying! Now that would be a hell of an advertisement! “I could not even get laid in a sex club until I tried…!” LMAO! I’m very excited to see your future results and will be watching this thread very closely. 🙂 Have a great time, John Sebastian ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2012, 3:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/swingers-sex-club-dance-club-on-steroids-help-i-am-drowning/54804/14 "2012-03-07T15:29:43Z")
> [@needsomehelp](#): > > _ **Bella! You described the place much better than I ever could have! You hit many of the finer points right on the head, lol. From your response, I take it that you have been there, rode the ride, got the t=shirt! Yes, it IS a competition, and for a lot of the shoot out, I am there with only half the ammunition as my competitors!** _ I can see where you might think that, lol! Yes, I can hit the nail and I can shoot straight, too! I’ve been to the Amusement Park but never rode the ride and no T-shirt. I learned about these clubs when I was a teenager! I have a very good friend who used to frequent the gay bath houses in NYC. He gave me the low down about what goes on and the types of activities they engage in. And, yes, I have been in a sex club… A… singular. The club is brand new… located high in the lush hills along the coastline of a lovely Caribbean country… in the mansion of a former president… at a very very private, secluded, clothing optional resort and it’s spectacular. Wolf and I wanted to see the club while we were there, so we asked the manager to arrange a tour for us in the off hours and she was happy to oblige. There was no one in the club except Wolf, me and the manager of the club. Aaaand, just to set the record straight so nobody gets the wrong idea, _we_ _took a tour_ but do not participate or even observe as we are\* strictly **Naturists** \*, not swingers/voyeurs! The resort is clothing optional. It’s not public-sex optional _unless_ there’s a total lifestyle takeover of the resort. At that time sex is allowed everywhere/anytime with the exception of the dining room. They schedule all kinds of groups. Whatever floats your sausage. 😃 Garden variety swingers, gay, S&M swingers, even groups of Christian Naturists. No, they don’t swing, they just like to pray naked. Bless their hearts. 🙂 We don’t belong to any lifestyle groups so we never book when they’re scheduled. It’s just not our scene. We go when it’s mostly people like us who like to commune with nature… naked. 😃 A lot of people, especially the really straight ones, misunderstand about clothing optional places and exactly what a Naturist is. Those in the lifestyle know the difference. Others think it’s just a cover and we’re lying Sacasauruses who engage in wanton sex acts with abandon. No, we do not. 🙂 I can just see Wolf standing by while some other guy does me… like never, lol. He has never even remotely expressed an interest in nor a desire to swing. Maybe that’s because he knows he’d wake up dead. **Stone cold dead.** 🙂 Although being at a clothing optional place means that whether swinging couples are with a group or not, if they are there for vacation, you’re likely to get approached/hit on anyway. Not always, we’ve been doing this for years and it’s happened to us only a few times and it wasn’t a problem. They were uber friendly/nice couples but with lifestylers it inevitably boils down to the same thing. It’s just the nature of the beast. No matter where they are they’re always looking for other players. They don’t know us from Adam&Eve or that we don’t swing, so they take a shot. We just nicely make it clear that we don’t, so no harm done. Get along lil’ doggies! Who knows, they might find some other lifestylers milling around with the Naturists. > [@needsomehelp](#): > > _ **I see a lot of people recommending the A314 as a base, but the toss up is adding TUTH or AMMO. some say add TUTH, some say it is not needed. It sounds like they are very similar in what they do and I am trying to figure out the difference in the TUTH and AMMO and decide what would be a better fit for me.** _ What’s needed is the right _buffer_ to balance A314 and that’s neither TUTH nor AMMO, it’s IShine, IO or IH. Oh, I forgot about P74! You might want to try that one as well when you can spend a little more dough.That’s a good one for a feeling of go-along-get-along and works very well in group settings. Comparing the products… AMMO is the more social of the two products because it’s more buffered than TUTH. TUTH is more raw sexuality but must be used with caution because overloading with Androstenone can turn off some women. It’s subjective and not all women will respond the same way. It depends on the individual and there are a couple of important factors to consider. A woman’s age can make a big difference in the way she responds to Androstenone. Older women are usually more experienced and sexually confident in themselves so when confronted/exposed to a man who’s exuding high Androstenone she might respond more favorably to him than a younger woman who’s less experienced and unsure of her own sexuality. Strong Androstenone signatures have been known to scare away young lovelies and attract cougars. You stand a better chance of Androstenone hitting the mark with a woman if she’s in her ovulatory phase. Women on The Pill do not ovulate! And keep in mind that just because she’s outfitted like a wild game hunter and loaded for bear doesn’t mean she’s up to the challenge of actually bagging one. Often people put on a good show/talk a good game until it’s time to pony up. Then they get afeared when confronted by the Big Bad Grizzly and beat a hasty retreat. Despite all outward appearances they lack the internal bravado/confidence/experience that’s de rigueur in this game. Hence a lot of them are unsure of exactly how to act/express themselves in order to get what they’re after. Consider that they might be as unsure as you are! All you can do is consciously work at slowly improving your game from all angles. Even Caesar knows that Rome wasn’t built in a day. 😉 > [@needsomehelp](#): > > _ **You are correct in saying that it does get easier as you keep going back, get more comfortable, get used to the fact that it is a lot more direct than a normal club would be. Since I am at a real disadvantage right from the start, I decided to investigate ways to help equalize the odds a little bit in my favor!** _ Nothing wrong with building your arsenal of tools to work with. As far as influencing people with pheromones… you can, but they can’t make people attracted to you if they aren’t attracted to you in the first place. They can only give you a leg up by pushing people over the edge _who are already there_. If there was such a product that existed it would already be globally marketed and people around the world wouldn’t be able to shut up about it. There would be lawsuits a-go-go and then it would be banned by the government and forced underground in, what would be, The Illegal Pheromone Black Market, lol. 🆒 You think guys in TV ads for Cialis singing about getting it up/erections lasting more than four hours are annoying, lol! I wanna give ‘em a one-two punch so I don’t have to hear them singing about it night and day. I’m glad they’re so happy but, for cryin’ out loud, STFU already and go fuck your wife! 🙄 > [@needsomehelp](#): > > _**Yes john, you are correct in approaching the male and getting his approval, but it really does boil down to the woman making the calls there. It is strange! I am actually pretty good at getting the guys won over to my side fairly easily (comparably speaking) once i get them to engage in conversation, but seem to be a bit of a ghost to the woman. Some woman actually seem a little hostile, like they are protecting the male half. There are so many variables at play here! More so than at a normal club! Go figure! LOL! A normal club, you have to get into the brain of a single person in order to get into the pants, so to speak! Here, you have to get into the brain of two people, and also read their body language and try to figure out THEIR relationship/interation at the same time. I know it sounds funny, but there is a lot of insecurity going on between some of the couples at the club, so you have to be mindful of that!**_ Bingo, Bingo and BingO! Whatever mama wants… bottom line. The female partner is the Boo Master. If mama don’t want it, 9 times outta 10, it ain’t happenin’. Really. I can put the cabash on just about any deal with just a few words.. "Wolf, honey, I’m just not sure I wanna do this/buy this/go there right now. Would you mind if I gave it a little more thought before I decide? 🙂 Several years ago I needed a new washer & dryer. We went to buy them and the salesman didn’t even acknowledge my presence let alone make eye contact with me. When I asked him a couple of questions he directed his answers/gaze at Wolf. He made a big mistake that cost him the sale. Then a couple of years ago we wanted to buy three new doors and storm doors to go with them. The salesman, and I use the term loosely 🙄, at Lowe’s spoke to me like I was a mindless imbecile. Wolf saw it coming, lol. I socked it to this guy in front of his three male co-workers and a dozen customers who were within ear shot heard me. We were walking away when he scrambled doing a complete turn about but it was too late, he’d already stuck his foot in it big time. Fuck him. He can save his heartfelt… _cough_… apology for the next broad he insults. Maybe next time he’ll think about his lost commission and pay closer attention to how he speaks to the female half of the equation and that’s exactly what I said when I told him to stuff his “apology”. We bought the same doors, the same day, across the street at Home Depot. The lifestyle dynamics are interesting/complicated to say the least, lol. A lot going on there and it takes some savvy to sort it all out. She has to choose from a crowd of men which one(s) she wants to have sex with in front of her husband/partner but also must handle his fragile ego with kid gloves. She’s allowed to attract/be attracted to another man as long as she isn’t more attracted to him than her partner. She has to tread carefully wherever she steps. Men are really very sensitive creatures. Even the biggest, baddest, bestest, most confident alpha-cock in the room can be cut down, in short order, by the female partner. Yup, she has to be careful to keep\* his\* up while attracting yours at the same time. I guess it kinda like juggling, lol, gotta keep _everyone’s_ balls in the air! Like I said, interesting dynamic. Boop oop a doop! 😃 I’ll be looking for updates! 🙂 Bella ---
**Author:** ![Gingiber\_Pardus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/dfb087/32.png) [@Gingiber\_Pardus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gingiber_Pardus)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2012, 3:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/swingers-sex-club-dance-club-on-steroids-help-i-am-drowning/54804/15 "2012-03-07T15:49:45Z")
I can just see Wolf standing by while some other guy does me… like never, lol. He has never even remotely expressed an interest in nor a desire to swing. Maybe that’s because he knows he’d wake up dead. **Stone cold dead.** 🙂 LMAO Bella, you got a way with words girl 😃 ---
**Author:** ![needsomehelp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@needsomehelp](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/needsomehelp)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 12:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/swingers-sex-club-dance-club-on-steroids-help-i-am-drowning/54804/16 "2012-03-08T00:22:04Z")
LOL!, Bella, no offence intended whaen I said you had the T shirt! 😃 Sounds like an amazing club you got to visit! On Saturday nights, the club we go to is full on swing club. On Sundays, when it warms up, it turns into more of a nudist camp, so there is a wide range of people visiting. It does not surprise me at all that when you have been hit on and declined, that people in the lifestyle were gracious about it. The number one rule in the club is “No means NO!” No explanation needed. Well, there are definitely some cougars at this place!!! LOL! I love how you turn a phrase, Bella! I am actually very curious to see how much Androstenone would be too much for a swingers club! LOL! Yes, I know it is not a magic potion, and not thinking along those lines. but fi it will help break the ice, possibly get them to be a touch more receptive, then all will be good! I see a few hundred views of this thread, so I guess some people are finding it interesting. I will post back with what I choose, what the results are, and if it leads to success!!!🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 1:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/swingers-sex-club-dance-club-on-steroids-help-i-am-drowning/54804/17 "2012-03-08T01:13:34Z")
No offense taken, kiddo! 🙂 You would know, without a doubt, if you had offended me. 😉 This is a public forum and open to any/all who desire to read, I wanted to be clear on the subject. If you concluded that I was into the lifestyle, it stands to reason, others who don’t know me could also come to the same conclusion. I was just setting the record straight. 🙂 My naked adventures are no secret to my old friends here and they know that Wolf and I are not swingers but I’m not so sure about my new friends as they probably haven’t read too many of my older posts. So, they might not know and I was just clearing up any misconceptions anyone might have. This has been a Public Service Announcement. Please get your ass back in the club and return to your regularly scheduled program. Thank you. 😃 Bella ---
**Author:** ![haupt001](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/839c29/32.png) [@haupt001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/haupt001)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2013, 10:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/swingers-sex-club-dance-club-on-steroids-help-i-am-drowning/54804/18 "2013-03-05T22:28:10Z")
Hi everyone. Im new here.. very excited about all I have read. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2013, 2:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/swingers-sex-club-dance-club-on-steroids-help-i-am-drowning/54804/19 "2013-03-06T02:45:30Z")
> [@haupt001](#): > > Hi everyone. Im new here.. very excited about all I have read. 🙂 Hi As this is your first post here, how about having a read of this then post your own thread in the Intro Forum: [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934) That way you are more likely to be noticed, compared to bumping an old thread and the info will better help us offer pointers and you earn the GC to help get started. 🙂