# TAC vs TAA: what's the difference, and can they be combined with P74? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 1, 2008, 4:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tac-vs-taa-whats-the-difference-and-can-they-be-combined-with-p74/23457 "2008-12-01T04:56:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 14
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 6:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tac-vs-taa-whats-the-difference-and-can-they-be-combined-with-p74/23457/14 "2008-12-18T18:34:28Z")
You didn’t hijack my thread, Diane. You are making great contributions! Besides I am in no position to criticize someone for hijacking a thread! It’s like this when we can have multiple people making observations from different perspectives (male-female, young-young at heart, etc) that the best discoveries happen about pheromone use. I hate it when there are twenty different threads all on the same topic. I wish people would add to the thread that’s already there. It is a lot easerier to research effects when all the observations on a topic are together! Sorry if I plagiarize your work too much, Diane. I am beginning to wonder when you sleep? > [@diane999](#): > > Hitting the thank you button also awards reps (and leaves a signature!). > Diane THANKS only leaves a rep point of one. The rep button with a heart on it leaves as many rep points as you have Rep Power – a lot more. Isn’t your opinion worth more than someone who’s only made two posts about getting laid with Ammo and who we’ll never hear from again? Do leave your name with your comment, though! **The Diane Doctrine** > [@](#): > > So far in my testing I’m seeing molecules that fall into two broad categories: Physical and Cerebral. > > The Cerebral molecules enhance perception (auditory, visual, sensory), excite mental processes, and seem to have a excitatory activity on the fight or flight response. At higher doses they cause nervousness, hyper-vigilance, higher receptivity to outside perceptual stimulus, increases in analytical thinking or racing thoughts, and/or sleeplessness. They can inhibit relaxation and can block physical response to the sensation of physical pleasure. These are really good for making things pretty, and for noticing details, and for planning, and noticing and thinking about details. > > The analyzing/cerebral/perceptual molecules are: TAA , P74 , P87 > > I am classifying for my own use any molecule that lacks a mental/cerebral/perceptual enhancement quality as physical. > > Something that inhibits unpleasant effects, like fight or flight responses, while allowing all the other pleasant physical responses through, like feeling surprise – to me that is physical. > > Physical molecules encourage physical relaxation or movement, enhance physical sensation and the physical response to sensation, and/or encourage and reward (with pleasure) instinctual behaviors (nesting, fighting, mating). They tend to be automatic and visceral. They can cause sleepiness, clumsiness, and inability to remember or think clearly. These are good for physical activities that don’t require analytic thought or fine motor control. > > The physical molecules are: Androstenone, est, meo-est, beta-androstenol, P102, P103, TAC (possible), P80, P83 (possible), P93, P102, P103; **TAA according to Diane** > [@](#): > > I’ve been testing out TAA today, and I found out some very interesting things about it. It is a cold molecule to me, much colder that TAC. It enhanced the perceptions of all stimuli coming in, but it did so in a way that made each bit of information stand out equally. That held true for sound, sight, and physical sensations. But it also had a distancing/analytical quality. > > I was surprised and dismayed at what I found with TAA. > > TAA completely blocks all the pleasurable sensation enhancement of meo-est and est, even when I used quadruple the dose I normally use. It also blocked the rush of desire that I normally feel with Androstenone. > > So, it is a perception enhancing and appreciation molecule, to be sure. But it will never work in a mix where the object is mind blowing physical sensation and emotional connection. And that is what I’ve started to achieve in my favorite mixes. > > I really don’t like TAA for this kind of mix. It would be great for walking around, taking in the sights, or for appreciating the beauty of someone you are looking at… or out on a date. But when it comes to actually touching that person… nah! It keeps everything way to impersonal, and blocks the purely physical appreciation of touch and feel. **TAC according to Diane** > [@](#): > > Because of the physical pleasant and pleasurable effects I’ve experienced with TAC , and because it is has not given me any definite mental or perceptual effects, I am classifying it for now, as physical, not mental/perceptual. > > TAC is interesting. It promotes stretching movements that lead to relaxation. This is probably what I like about it so much in my sensuality mixes… that need to stretch is very sensual. > > TAC seems to enhances physical sensations… > TAC does promote earth shattering orgasms… > > Hubby responds better to TAA than I do. I love the physical nature of TAC in this mix. I replaced TAC with TAA in a couple of mix trials, and I really missed the TAC . We’ll see. **Discussion: TAA vs TAC** I think this helps to understand the difference between TAA and TAC. I had thought of TAA and TAK as opposites. TAA is here-and-now whereas TAK is abstract/dissociated. I was surprised when Phya discovered that mixing the two gave the wearer an easy choice of jumping back and forth between being fully in the moment and stepping fully out of the picture. With TAA and TAC there does not exist – in my experience – this easy choice. The two pheormones pull in different directions creating distraction and discomfort. What exactly are these different directions that cannot exist together at the same time? To Diane, “[TAA] enhanced the perceptions of all stimuli coming in, but it did so in a way that made each bit of information stand out equally. That held true for sound, sight, and physical sensations.” I experienced this as here-and-now. TAC, it seems, promotes relaxation and enhanced physical sensations. Whereas TAA directs the Auditory and Visual to the external here-and-now, TAC focuses on physical sensations alone, freeing the Auditory and Visual to go their own way – their own way being whereever physical relaxation leads them. With the application of TAC, previously existing short and intermediate term memory structures (Visual and Auditory images) will tend to collapse into a state consistent with physical relaxation. In other words, it is impossible to maintain imagery or understanding of an angry or fearful nature (unless imposed by an outside force powerful enough to overwhelm the TAC). In the collapsing of tension and the mental structures that go with it, we experience hilarity. In an environment which is not normally tense that experience may become sensuality. [In Diane’s case, the ringing telephone and the authoritative voices of TV news were startling or annoying](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/warrens-p83-tac-challenge/24007). They were incongruent with the relaxed state promoted by TAC. When TAA is added to the TAC, the Auditory and Visual vigilance imposed by TAA is constantly disturbing TAC’s physical relaxation. Life becomes a sieries of minor startling annoyances. **TAC is from Venus, TAA is from Mars** It is a grey day in late fall, thirty-five degrees Fahrenheit, wind and steady rain. Let’s take a long walk. For me that’s TAC. It’s a warm summer’s day in Ocean City. Let’s stroll down the boardwalk. For me, that’s TAA. For Diane it is the other way around. An expeditous application of Occam’s razor might suggest that A.P.R. got the labels on the bottles switched! But let’s give them the benefit of the doubt. I prefer TAA in a sensuality mix. So does Diane’s husband. Yet Diane and many women much prefer TAC. I think the enhanced visual is one of the best things about TAA. Men have a reputation for being visual. Might we assume that for women it is a disraction? Spray on the TAC and turn off the lights. One wearing TAC. One wearing TAA. How are man and woman ever going to share the same bed? **Sensuality Mix, Version C** Did she say, “TAC does promote earth shattering orgasms…”? I guess I am going to have to resurrect the TAC version of my [Sensuality Mix](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-improvement-w-p86-sensuality-mix/15812). Of course that leaves the issue of the ugly side-effects on myself as described in the first post (Test 11) of this thread. I took all of the TAA out of my mix and replaced it with TAC. Still, when used with Instant Opennes and A314, I got the nasty effects I would expect from combining TAC and TAA. Does any one know for sure if A314 and/or [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) have small amounts of TAA? I’ll bet they do and they built up until, after the third dose, I got the negative side-effects! When I created the TAC version, I went through the entire mix testing each component with TAC in place of TAA. Each pheromone in the same amount had the same effect. I was surprised. The only thing I might change is to add an additonal 2.5mcg MEO-EST. Hopefully the coldness I experience from TAC will be warmed up by the addition of EST. I usually wear A314, Instant Openness and Instant Honesty with my Sensuality Mix. To eliminate the possibility of any TAA sneaking in with my TAC, I will have to replace all of these. I’ll replace Instant Openness with pure Alphanol and Instant Honesty with pure Betanol. A314 is a bigger problem. I wonder if androsteRone and P91 will be good enough for alpha status and respect? Anybody have any suggestions about how much of each? I have some of the old LS version of A314. It has a much more unapproachable quality. I wonder if that is because it lacks the TAA I speculate is in the current version of A314? Or I could use SoE unscented for androsteRone and alphanol. Then I’d still need betanol and P91. Anybody have any other suggestions? I wonder if I need to add the tiny amount of -none which is in A314. --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tac-vs-taa-whats-the-difference-and-can-they-be-combined-with-p74/23457)._