# TAF P83 and P86 experiment **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 19, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/taf-p83-and-p86-experiment/25087 "2009-01-19T20:38:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Tessa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Tessa](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tessa)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/taf-p83-and-p86-experiment/25087/1 "2009-01-19T20:38:26Z")
I’ve been thinking about coming up with a social mix with more of a twist to it than just [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Instant Shine, which is my usual go-to combo. I already like P83 and P86 together, but usually I use them in lower concentrations, not as a main component of a mix, and really wanted to experiment with bringing them to the forefront. I also recently got some TAF (10mcg/spray) which people say adds focus and an extra boost to mixes, so I figured this would be a good addition. So the combo is as follows, sprayed individually: P86 (20mcg/spray) 5 sprays (2 neck, 2 forearms, 1 hair) P83 (20mcg/spray) 2 sprays (1 forearm, 1 hair) TAF (10mcg/spray) 2 sprays (1 forearm, 1 neck) I/Openness x2 neroli scented 3 sprays (2 neck, 1 forearm) Self effects: I sprayed the three individual ones first and let them dry down before adding the Openness. Almost immediately I got a calming, warm effect and began to get a deep, centered feeling in my stomach. Before spraying anything, my mood was neutral, but after applying this mix, I realized I was in a good mood. Not overly happy, but contented and optimistic. I think that was the effect of the alpha-androstenol in the Instant Openness combined with the P86 which can make things seem better. The TAF probably gave it an extra kick too. I remember reading on the forum that someone described the effect of P83 as butterflies in their stomach. I think that might be where the centered feeling was coming from. It wasn’t quite butterflies in my case. Instead of being jittery, it just felt really good. Two hours later, the effects still held up and I realized the TAF might be doing more than I originally suspected. It was taking me longer to do things like cleaning the sensor on my digital camera, because I was really focused and really into doing it right. TAF does seem to help make ordinary things fascinating and increases awareness of detail. The TAF effect dovetails nicely with the alpha-androstenol/P86 good mood vibe. It creates curiosity and genuine interest in things instead of just clinical focus. I’m liking this mix a lot for the self-effects alone and am still feeling good from it. I’m going out later and will report back about its effects on others. ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 8:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/taf-p83-and-p86-experiment/25087/2 "2009-01-20T08:36:26Z")
This is definitely a going out mix. So… How many times did you get told that you’re beautiful? ---
**Author:** ![frances](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/frances/32/1249_2.png) [@frances](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/frances)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 9:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/taf-p83-and-p86-experiment/25087/3 "2009-01-20T21:44:43Z")
> [@Warren](#): > > This is definitely a going out mix. > > So… How many times did you get told that you’re beautiful? Thanks! Im going to try this out and will report in as well! Ive used p83 and p86 with CTTM with nice results…Ill have to add some TAF in too! ---
**Author:** ![Tessa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Tessa](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tessa)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 10:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/taf-p83-and-p86-experiment/25087/4 "2009-01-20T22:11:22Z")
Didn’t get told I was beautiful, buuuuuut…I got a free piece of cheesecake at my favorite burger place!!! My order was taking a long time, and the manager who was also working the register apologized and started chatting with me. He ended up telling me about how he was understaffed that day and how a bunch of schoolkids came in earlier and were making noise and causing problems, and even some personal stuff. I had seen him in there before, but we never had a conversation. Now, he was talking to me like we knew each other. When I wasn’t looking, he slipped a piece of cheesecake onto my tray. I said, oh, I didn’t order that and he smiled and said it was on the house because I was the nicest person he had talked to all day!!! HIT!!! I was also the voice of reason with my friends. They were arguing about something work related and kept wanting me to resolve their issues (which I have nothing to do with!) Eventually they both were able to see eachother’s side of the argument and we moved on to a better topic. They were both in a much better mood when we left which I think might be my combo doing its magic. I read somewhere on here that TAF has a “bonding” aspect to it in some circumstances. I think my combo might have brought that side of it out. It also seemed to cheer everyone up around me and made socializing really smooth and effortless. This mix also doesn’t have any real gender-specific pheros so guys would be able to use it pretty easily. ---
**Author:** ![snakeeyesontheparadise](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snakeeyesontheparadise/32/791_2.png) [@snakeeyesontheparadise](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snakeeyesontheparadise)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 2:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/taf-p83-and-p86-experiment/25087/5 "2009-01-21T14:13:50Z")
Thanks for the feedback Tessa, especailly significant for myself as I’m considering P86 and TAF in my next order. I already have [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/), so good to know the 3 all go well together. Also what you say about the mix working well on both males and females I believe would hold true, so maybe i can try it out sometime after I get the P86 and TAF. ---
**Author:** ![Tessa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Tessa](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tessa)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 10:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/taf-p83-and-p86-experiment/25087/6 "2009-01-21T22:46:14Z")
Hi Snakeeyes! Glad to help 🙂 I think you’ll like the P86 and TAF. I almost always use P86 with [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) with great responses from people. I found that TAF is really versatile and gives different results depending on what its paired up with. ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2009, 2:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/taf-p83-and-p86-experiment/25087/7 "2009-01-22T02:45:42Z")
I think it’s time to add some MEO-EST to your mix.