# TAF + P86 + MEO-est **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 9, 2009, 5:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/taf-p86-meo-est/27873 "2009-04-09T05:36:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![marty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marty/32/714_2.png) [@marty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marty)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 5:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/taf-p86-meo-est/27873/1 "2009-04-09T05:36:25Z")
12.5mcg of TAF and MEO + 25mcg P86. good but not great. I was going for something not over the top, so I didn’t want something that smelt strongly (no pherobombs tonight). My TAF has a light akuto scent. I’m not crazy about it, but it’s rather pleasant in a way. Self effects were subtle. I was calm and fairly neutral with out any directed predisposition. Prior to pheros I was kinda in a bad mood, so the shift out of that was nice. I was subtlety more in a good mood, but I was not boundlessly cheerful. No sexual pull. Just “centered.” I had some good repor with my male friends, but nothing great from the girls. I basically succeeded in providing a subtle boost, but it wasn’t really steered correctly. This mix lacked a good anchor. You don’t have the outright “feel good” effect, nor do you have the “feel sexxy” going on, nor do you get any other sort of distinctive positive boost. You just sort of feel kinda alright. I would call all of these molecules good support -mones, but none of them make a good central base to build on, especially if you are going for female interaction. Yet you don’t get any negative pull either. Nothing really seemed to get me down, but I wasn’t really tested on that regard. The general vibe in the air of the total group was that everyone was “alright” okiedokie. In fact, it actually steered from being super exciting “let’s rock this town” to kinda “hey let’s just chill here.” Looking back, there was almost an aura of relaxation in the air. Perhaps it was just the wearing effect of P86 and TAF without any of the manic boost provided else where that slowed everyone down. Perhaps I am attributing things far to strongly to [pheromones](https://a314.com/) and I’m just crazzzy… I did get some good buddy buddy shit all casual like, and some frank stuff for real (“hey man, I really respect you cause you’re always a good dude” type stuff), but I couldn’t hit a resonant note with any girls. Just short quips that were alright, but not sustained, yet not bad either. No negative vibes from anybody. Mostly 20 somethings, I was pretty tired, so there was that to contend with as well. My love for P86 is great, but it seems like a molecule that needs direction. MEO-est, I still can’t seem to understand what it is you are doing. TAF, you’re the new kid on my block; I know what you are supposed to do but I can’t yet see what you are. Let’s get together again sometime. ---
**Author:** ![deeddy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deeddy/32/1779_2.png) [@deeddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deeddy)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 8:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/taf-p86-meo-est/27873/2 "2009-04-09T08:51:52Z")
taf + p86 sounds like a nice combo. i’m waiting for taf to arrive, so i can play a bit! 🙂 p86 has some really nice visual and focus sedating effects on me and makes me feel self centered and purposeful. though, sometimes i feel very tired after using it. i noticed it’s happening only when i didn’t get enough sleep or when i already feel bad for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![marty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marty/32/714_2.png) [@marty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marty)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 1:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/taf-p86-meo-est/27873/3 "2009-04-09T13:28:41Z")
I was definitely getting a bit of the P86 visual. Perhaps the TAF was bringing out the effect a bit more. I still can’t “get” MEO-est, but it always seems to add a little bit to the atmosphere that I like. Overall, whether it was phero induced or not, I got exactly what I wanted out of the night. It was a chill, low key gathering of friends, and there were good vibes all around. I think this is a good direction to tweak in for when you want “subtle enhancement” out of your signature.