# TAL on a Guy - Is It Phero Transvestism?

**URL:** <https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tal-on-a-guy-is-it-phero-transvestism/9591>\
**Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\
**Created:** [March 1, 2008, 7:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tal-on-a-guy-is-it-phero-transvestism/9591 "2008-03-01T19:26:42Z")\
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**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2008, 7:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tal-on-a-guy-is-it-phero-transvestism/9591/1 "2008-03-01T19:26:42Z")

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I know, shamelessly provocative title. :o It’s all SteveO’s fault! 🙄

On to the results. I’m just going to put down some thoughts here. If you want the whole story check my journal and ACCO202’s thread ( [TAL experienced users](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tal-experienced-users/9071) ) where this testing plot was sorta hatched.

I’ve been playing with TAL in various mixes and concentrations for about a month. I still want to go back and work with it some more but I think a break is in order. So here are some thoughts about it while they are still fresh in my mind.

First off, I wanted to test TAL because of reports that it is a good addition in small amounts to social mixes. Everything so far points to this holding true. Secondly I was curious about the forum warnings that it should always be used with male [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). I guess I was afraid there might be some sort of feminizing effect if worn by itself. That expectation was not evidenced. Wearing male pheromones with it does provide a certain congruence. I don’t think it has as much value for a guy worn alone.

Most of my testing was done with a combo of 2 drops A314, 2 sprays IO 1x. The TAL was from a 5 mcg per spray 30 ml bottle. Best results seem to come at about 1 or 1 1/2 sprays (5 to \<10 mcg) More did not produce any particularly different results although they could be more pronounced.

Effects seem to be along the lines of more camaraderie with women. A greater amount of confidence being placed on me. I felt drawn into the group.

Some effective uses would surely be in business or work environments. I think it would be perfect for any guys who are working primarily with and around women. If you are a team leader who has women working for you then the A314, IO, TAL combo should be considered. If you have a female boss this should work there as well. It might be good to throw in some A-1 or IFM. Subbing IG for the A314 on occasion might be a good idea as well.

Social proof is the idea that a desirable man has desirable women around him. It’s an idea I had no conception of until I started reading this forum. It seems so basic an idea that perhaps I knew it as unconscious knowledge if there is such a thing. Being conscious of it makes it useful. TAL does provide a sense of social proof. I suspect it is in a much more positive way than cops. That factor alone makes it indispensable my arsenal. That’s power!

Lastly, using it in amounts closer to the 10 mcg end of the spectrum (even more if you are dense like me) in a female rich environment can provide a guy with a window into “girl think”. You will get drawn into the drama and scripting of the female world. It’s a fun and interesting place to visit from time to time. Take your hip waders. 😉 No offense intended ladies. 😃

Now (renny put’s on his best Billy Bob Thornton imitation) “I think it’s time for me to get me some Raw Power mmm humm. You gonna get some o’ that mixed up any time soon there SteveO? Mmm humm”. 😃

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**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2008, 7:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tal-on-a-guy-is-it-phero-transvestism/9591/2 "2008-03-01T19:49:35Z")

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LOL Great post renny, Alot of people think TAL is just a female mone but I think with the right mix it can be great on men.

Reps Tisha

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**Author:** ![Rattlesnake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Rattlesnake](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rattlesnake)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 4:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tal-on-a-guy-is-it-phero-transvestism/9591/3 "2008-03-02T16:48:20Z")

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Hi Renny, great report and observations. Rep points for you!

The supposed feminising effects of TAL is the reason I havent had the courage to test it alone so far. However, as a result I havent found my ideal dosage for it. Although I think finding the correct dosage for this type of [pheromone](https://a314.com/) is very difficult. How would the user know what effects are for the perfect dosage? It’s a tricky one to nail down!

Rattle

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**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 4:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tal-on-a-guy-is-it-phero-transvestism/9591/4 "2008-03-02T16:55:40Z")

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I would worry much less about mild TAL OD when used in a masculine mix than with TAH.

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**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 5:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tal-on-a-guy-is-it-phero-transvestism/9591/5 "2008-03-02T17:36:23Z")

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> [@Rattlesnake](#):
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> Hi Renny, great report and observations. Rep points for you!
> 
> The supposed feminising effects of TAL is the reason I havent had the courage to test it alone so far. However, as a result I havent found my ideal dosage for it. Although I think finding the correct dosage for this type of pheromone is very difficult. How would the user know what effects are for the perfect dosage? It’s a tricky one to nail down!
> 
> Rattle

Thanks rattle, I think I had a perfect test environment for this. Classroom almost all women 18 -40ish. It made it easier to see how it affected different personalities. If you can find a group that you can be with on a regular basis and vary the TAL around a standard masculine mix I think you’ll see it pretty quick.

It’s important to watch the relationships of the women themselves. I noticed the effects there before I noticed effects on their attitude to me.

I really had no problems with “feminising effects”. I think that like has been reported elsewhere there is a danger of being friendzoned if it was used regularly. Of course there are a lot of relationships with women where a friendzone is useful!

I should also note that I have worn the same mixes around my outdoors store with no particular adverse effects around men.

Pheroquirk, 😃 I got a bottle of TAH too. So stay tuned. It’s going to be a few weeks though.

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**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\
**Post date:** [March 12, 2008, 6:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tal-on-a-guy-is-it-phero-transvestism/9591/6 "2008-03-12T18:01:04Z")

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> [@renny](#):
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> Effects seem to be along the lines of more camaraderie with women. A greater amount of confidence being placed on me. … You will get drawn into the drama and scripting of the female world. It’s a fun and interesting place to visit from time to time. Take your hip waders.

Yes.

> [@renny](#):
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> Some effective uses would surely be in business or work environments. I think it would be perfect for any guys who are working primarily with and around women. If you are a team leader who has women working for you then the A314, IO, TAL combo should be considered. If you have a female boss this should work there as well. It might be good to throw in some A-1 or IFM.

With more and more women in leadership roles in the workplace esp. youngs guys ought to take note of this.

> [@renny](#):
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> Social proof is the idea that a desirable man has desirable women around him. It’s an idea I had no conception of until I started reading this forum. It seems so basic an idea that perhaps I knew it as unconscious knowledge if there is such a thing. Being conscious of it makes it useful. TAL does provide a sense of social proof. I suspect it is in a much more positive way than cops. That factor alone makes it indispensable my arsenal. That’s power!

An excellent observation. You don’t have to have a sexual relationship with all the women around you to reap the benefits of social proof - just to have the RIGHT women hanging around with you shows that you have … something every woman probably wants, eve if it is not blatantly sexual. Just the friendship perhaps with a hint of flirtiness should be enough to catch another woman’s attention.

> [@renny](#):
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> It’s important to watch the relationships of the women themselves. I noticed the effects there before I noticed effects on their attitude to me.

If you are going to be around women much you HAVE to catch on to this quick as their relationships are often more nuanced than a lot of guys’ relationships.

> [@renny](#):
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> I think that like has been reported elsewhere there is a danger of being friendzoned if it was used regularly. Of course there are a lot of relationships with women where a friendzone is useful!

This is something a lot of guys overlook or underestimate in their search for … something. Network, network, network. Build-up a huge social network of male and female friends. It will come in handy. Trust me. I have a network that is phenomenal. I can get just about anything done I need to get done.

Combine the right pheromones with that network and relationships - and you have something.

> [@renny](#):
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> I got a bottle of TAH too. So stay tuned. It’s going to be a few weeks though.

😮

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**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\
**Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 2:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tal-on-a-guy-is-it-phero-transvestism/9591/7 "2008-03-13T02:39:24Z")

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> [@bosshank](#):
>
> An excellent observation. You don’t have to have a sexual relationship with all the women around you to reap the benefits of social proof - just to have the RIGHT women hanging around with you shows that you have … something every woman probably wants, eve if it is not blatantly sexual. Just the friendship perhaps with a hint of flirtiness should be enough to catch another woman’s attention.

YEP! this is especially true in nightclub environments. I find that whenever I have one or more girls hanging out with me, I always get more action and attention from other women.