# tal vs androstadienone **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 30, 2007, 7:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tal-vs-androstadienone/3440 "2007-04-30T19:28:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 4
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2007, 7:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tal-vs-androstadienone/3440/4 "2007-05-01T07:54:17Z")
Main problem with -dienone is it does tend to make many guys feel bad around it. Often when I wear -dienone for example, it seems to put negative thoughts into my head and sap my energy, not to mention a decrease in verbal ability and confidence levels I’ve noticed on occassion. It is probably best used only occassionally for this reason. I like to use it really when a girl that I am seeing is particularly moody or where there is some kind of tension between me and a woman. In these situations, it clears the air like nothing else - ‘[Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/)’ is indeed an appropriate name for the mainline product based on this pheromone! As for TAL, it may be a useful addition (in small quantities) to a masculine mix as it can slighly raise a woman’s confidence level/expressiveness. Too much TAL (without a male pheromone counterbalance) and it seems to hinder attraction though - a big problem IMHO. Some good posts dealing with TAL are pasted in below… > [@TAL 5mcg on a guy: feeling powerful and dominant (after a MOET inhale)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tal-5mcg-on-a-guy/86/12): > > I think you’re remotely boosting a woman’s confidence wearing TAL, and thus, their expressiveness. Bringing them out, and perhaps even “Bringing out the best in them” when used in a good mix. MHarris: “…I think you’re remotely boosting a woman’s confidence wearing [TAL](https://pheromonelabs.com/), and thus, their expressiveness. Bringing them out, and perhaps even “Bringing out the best in them” when used in a good mix.” > [@TAL 5mcg on a guy: feeling powerful and dominant (after a MOET inhale)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tal-5mcg-on-a-guy/86/7): > > Just something I mentioned, in case it’s useful. Something that might lead to an aha for us collectively. slight_smile I really find it fascinating when people on the forum notice things or use things parallel to our own findings. Especially findings we haven’t shared (as far as I know anyway). When there’s no collusion whatsoever, something not dissimilar to the beginning of a “fact” emerges. The whole thing delights me, and even makes my head spin a little (especially the speed at which … PheroQuirk: “…Michael - what dosage range of [TAL](https://pheromonelabs.com/) would you suggest?” MHarris: "_Anything_ below the dosage of A314 and/or [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). So you could theoritically use 100mcg, as long as you’re using more than 100mcg of a masculine pheromone mix. I just don’t recommend it alone without a masculine mix, unless you’re OK with experimenting that way. As far as _reasonable_ dosage goes, I’d say 2.5mcg to 17.5mcg. Pretty small. The influence of [TAL](https://pheromonelabs.com/) is detectable at small levels" --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tal-vs-androstadienone/3440)._