# Tests: 4x TAL at 2.5 mcg per spray, and my wife insists on arguing at lunch **URL:** \ **Category:** Illuminati Chemosensoria\ **Created:** [June 27, 2014, 7:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tests-4x-tal-at-2-5-mcg-per-spray-and-my-wife-insists-on-arguing-at-lunch/62296 "2014-06-27T19:10:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 7:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tests-4x-tal-at-2-5-mcg-per-spray-and-my-wife-insists-on-arguing-at-lunch/62296/1 "2014-06-27T19:10:43Z")
4x TAL, 2.5 mcg per spray Go get tea at coffee house with baby, some polite positive attention from staff. At 3 hours, wife wants to meet up for lunch at house. Recently this has implied having sex on her lunch break, but this time it goes differently. I meet her and she sees me at the intersection nearest the house crossing the street as she approaches. She thinks she sees me coming south at the intersection, but actually i am traveling north on that street from a place that was several blocks south. I am not sure how she can see me coming from completely the opposite direction, but she continues to argue that she did, and insists on arguing about it for the duration of the time she is over for lunch. I call the coffee house to have them confirm where i was and when as they had just observed me leaving - they confirm for me but she refuses to listen to them speak, she stands out on the pattio so as to prevent herself from hearing them over the speaker phone. She refuses to greet me with a hug or kiss of any kind, but instead continues to insist i am lying to her about the route that i traveled. She keeps her distance from me and starts ignoring me. She orders me to take my son and i to get a haircut, and wash the baby, as she thinks she needs a bath. She then later comments how good the baby smells, from a distance, while i am holding her. She then leaves the apt coldly without any eye contact or physical contact. I ask her why she is being this way and she gives no reason but just acts very annoyed with me… Says she does not want to engage in any semantic argument. She leaves coldly, and i’m feeling so angry about the argument that i break her watter bottle. Followup Wash, Add 2x eRONE @ 2.5 mcg 1x [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) @ 10 mcg 1/2 heat 1/2 TAF @ 2.5 mcg As i’m getting diner on the table, wife gets home and joins the kids and i at table. She acts very cheery and up-beat. She has son make silly faces with me, takes him upstairs to play. I mostly ignore her and avoid, as i’m still pissed with the way she treated me. She goes out to the pattio to smoke a cigar left over from the wedding we attended. She is not a smoker. I add 2x of P75 @ 1 mcg / spray everclear After an hour reading in other room, she comes to see me and invites me to join, wants me to put my arm around her. She gets increasingly cuddly, and cuddles very close to me all night and the next morning. My mood mellows. We make out a few times at lenght in the late evening and morning. In the morning she complains of nausea from the cigar and throws up in the bathroom, but the is still very cudddly and wants to keep me in bed late in the morning, but i head down to make pancakes. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 8:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tests-4x-tal-at-2-5-mcg-per-spray-and-my-wife-insists-on-arguing-at-lunch/62296/2 "2014-07-01T20:58:24Z")
2x eRONE 2x P78 1/2 TAL HEAT is running out, i rub some on the back of neck, not sure how much TAF 1x Local bar One girl that i talk to is very interested to talk to me at lenght, keeps getting close and holds eye contact. Polish, visiting one day. Wants to lnow if she can crash at my place. I leave and go home, was only there 1 hour. Come back, another woman i get into a conversation at length, she eventually says it was nice talking to me and then ignores to talk to friends. But later keep catching her looking at me from across bar. Most of the nighteople ignore me, except some guys give respect distance. Several couples act very turned on w/ eachother and protective. I talk to one big beefy african american guy, he acts shy of me. End of night, two very attractive young african american women come to my corner, the second asks me if i can move out of their way. I look her in the eyes and say she is free to stand next to me, and i don’t move. She then keeps loking up at me with a dazed look in her eyes, and starts asking about my ring, then starts saying i am so hot, and my wife must be so hot. She wants to see a picture. (i don’t) Then she says she wants to borrow me and take me home. I say nope cant do that. i leave and go home. She keeps calling after me that i’m making her hot. She’s stroking her legs and chest. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 4:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tests-4x-tal-at-2-5-mcg-per-spray-and-my-wife-insists-on-arguing-at-lunch/62296/3 "2014-07-02T16:05:09Z")
**Sorry, Brian. PM’s aren’t working.** TAL does though. Tried 10 mcg awhile ago. Don’t usually go that high. Pretty consistent results everytime. Doesn’t really convey a beta or gay vibe. Actually, I’m not too sure what vibe it conveys on a guy. One of those areas of giant gaps in data. Not usually a problem to wear, backed by IG or A314. Results on women are always consistent. Catnip. I’ve always made the false assumption that everything putative must be a steroid. Is this a known fact? Because, either P96 isn’t, or it’s the only neurosteroid known that does what I see it do. Only the experimental compound from Hoffman-LaRoche that’s $100 per 10 milligrams does this. Not a steroid. You must have etiocholanone? It’s cheap, like DHEA. Rather than go to ordering named, basic molecules like this, I might simply ask, “Do you have this as a putative.” If so, it’s up to me explore putatives and find it on my own, by my own senses. Like P77. I like it. Hope it’s not a damned estrogen or etio. Don’t think so. Slightly feminine, but not female. Nice with IG or A314. Or by itself. Whenever I hear “forum experts,” I remind myself of a basic fact: Not one person in ten years on any site has proferred a mix that purports to emulate IG, one of the most basic products sold, and one that goes back to 2005. People say TAK. I say, “No.” If that were true, we’d all have acclaimed it. I think most people are off by a country mile. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 5:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tests-4x-tal-at-2-5-mcg-per-spray-and-my-wife-insists-on-arguing-at-lunch/62296/4 "2014-07-02T17:00:11Z")
Can’t say as I recommend a guy wearing 10 mcg TAL. Your report is kind of what I expected. Even wearing A314, it’s kind of pushing it. I’ve seen assertive women argue with male bosses. TAL is closest to [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) and somewhat like IO and IH 50/50 combined. If women had a pair, they’d be brass on that stuff. You’ll need to still project dominance with something strongly masculine. 5 mcg is generally where you want to be, as shown be many tests over the years. More later… ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2014, 2:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tests-4x-tal-at-2-5-mcg-per-spray-and-my-wife-insists-on-arguing-at-lunch/62296/5 "2014-07-05T02:02:26Z")
Well, I’m going to give it until after the holiday. I need to order. I have one personal MX I’m going to continue testing, just because it’s my personal fav. I think I may do P95 also. But when my PM’s don’t get thru or get read, it’s just the same stuff I’ve experienced since 2012. Whatever I order is going to be my testing thru fall. So trying to create any new mixes beyond that…there’s no telling. We keep saying things will be different, and it’s just the same old boring shit at PTalk month after month. You know, I’m a patient person. One day, we’re talking the future. The next, people are rebooting shit from 8 years ago. And still so many molecules with virtually no feedback. And why should I waste my time with them? Do they even do anything? ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 3:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tests-4x-tal-at-2-5-mcg-per-spray-and-my-wife-insists-on-arguing-at-lunch/62296/6 "2014-07-14T15:36:50Z")
P104 10 mcg eNONE 10 mcg Target store. Looking at soap, ask a 20 something skinny girl which one I should buy, she starts slapping me on the arm and flirting, big smile. laughing at me event though I wasn’t really making jokes. run into her a bit later, she laughs again, giggles, etc. I catch her later in a different store, and she admits to following me! go to stationary section, get another woman flirting quite quickly. she’s tall, blonde wearing pink bikini under semi-transparent white dress. keeps touching my arm, starts following me around the store, as we discuss different interesting things to buy. follows me to the same register and keeps talking to me. wants my number. I won’t giver her my number. very relaxed and stress-free, yet focuses and arroused. social. enjoyment of music and visuals. 2x P104 @ 10 mcg spray 1/2 spray eNONE @ 10 mcg /spray eNone he asks me if “i’m high” and “why do I have a permanent grin” .. then blows up that I was drinking some of his reserve red wine (I didn’t know it was special). then offers to drink with me… old friend outside we drink wine and hard liquor, play music on our phones late into he night and watch the stars by the beach, very much enjoying music and lights. he wants to play every single romantic vocal song on his phone. which songs got him laid, etc. he shows me where each of the constellations are on his phone app. Then claims he saw a UFO. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 5:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tests-4x-tal-at-2-5-mcg-per-spray-and-my-wife-insists-on-arguing-at-lunch/62296/7 "2014-07-14T17:30:23Z")
I think you can disclose XXX if you wish, since only five people on earth are reading this. And they already know. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2014, 11:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tests-4x-tal-at-2-5-mcg-per-spray-and-my-wife-insists-on-arguing-at-lunch/62296/8 "2014-07-15T11:22:04Z")
MMDI - how about this one? soylent green …xxx? === 7/14/14 1x P77 @ 7.5 mcg / spray 11:30 AM - work. talk to Korean girl who I haven’t seen in a few weeks because I’ve been on vacation. she keeps flashing her eyebrows at me the whole conversation. I talk to her at length, just BSing, she makes no attempt to end the convo. she does not appear to do any body rubbing. no flushing, no sternum rubs or other similar things. However she seems slightly flirty. It’s more emotional, not really physical effects. I do feel some wound-up emotional tension - it’s just very slightly high feeling, but also a bit on edge feeling. Positive anxiety rather than negative. I make some unusually funny comments, witty come-backs. It’s something distinct but hard to describe. pacified vigilance? I run into a random woman in the coffee area, she also flashes eyebrows several times, and makes conversation once I get her started. some lingering… I come up with some witty replies with unusual ease. Feeling comedic. she seems comfortable talking even though she doesn’t really know me. No physical effects noted, no flushing or sternum rubs. No hair flips. pacified, but vigilant. Come home. 6:30PM Add another 1x P77 @ 7.5 mcgs / spray has stronger scent now. The scent of this spray is quite distinct. I find it easily identifiable if compared to a different P. Wife gives me several kisses. Some lingering on it. No physical effects noted. Slight tension, but also relaxed - it seems a bit of both at once. The emotional tension gives me a feeling that I need a drink. I have one mixed drink. Wife is pleasant. I get lot done as far as cooking dinner. I have positive interactions at home socially. Not any aggressive type responses. Son is relatively compliant and calm at dinner. Getting ready for bed, he jokes around a bit, and I humor him. All behavior observed all day is calm, but alert. After dinner wife wants to watch a movie. We watch “Gravity”. Usually my wife is NEVER scared when she watches movies, no matter how scary they are. However this time my wife is completely on-edge “jumpy” through most of the movie- Any type of surprise scares the crap out of her. Very unusual. She white-knuckles though the whole movie. Even at the end of the move when she reaches earth, wife is thinking of ways woman could be killed by Alligators in the lake - she could be bitten by a snake - she’s looking for snakes in the grass… etc. She’s highly vigilant. Usually she finds scary movies boring… I actually found the movie unusually scary as well. vigilant and at some parts panic. After this we watch John Oliver on TV. I laugh especially hard at a lot of the jokes. She tells me to quite down. She is not reacting very much to the comedy, though for me the comedy was amplified. After this we are tired. Not particularly feeling like sex. It’s late and we are tired. In the morning 4:30 Am, I have to get up for work. I feel in the mood for sex. physical responses kick in for me, she seems good to go, but the baby is not going to separate. She suggests we go to bed early so that we can have sex. So she’s good to go. I am not seeing aggressive-sexual responses. More like casual i’m-okay with sex response. Slight wound-up-feeling, calm, pacified, but vigilant. A female might easily startle with this, but I feel aggression seems distinctly pacified. I will investigate this one further. She seems more strongly effected by frightening imagery. Perhaps more susceptible to fear mongering I on the other hand, had amplified comedic effect.. though her reaction to my comedy was pleasant but muted. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2014, 1:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tests-4x-tal-at-2-5-mcg-per-spray-and-my-wife-insists-on-arguing-at-lunch/62296/9 "2014-07-15T13:07:58Z")
P76 does this for me. It fits in the family with -enone, P75, P79. P77 fits in the family with [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) and erone. P77 is my preferred self-fx buffer. 12.5 mcg P77 = 2 sprays of 2X IG to me. I’m wearing that (P77) even if the whole world don’t like it. Like to wear it going out. To me, it’s a great buffer up to 25 mcg. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 11:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tests-4x-tal-at-2-5-mcg-per-spray-and-my-wife-insists-on-arguing-at-lunch/62296/10 "2014-07-23T11:53:11Z")
7/22/14 2PM **1x [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) @ 15 mcg / spray** Pick up MIL to give ride to doctor. Usually she’s terrified riding in small cars, but this time she’s pretty relaxed. Nice! Drop her off Go to Costco, area has a high ratio of Latinos 3PM add: **1x eNone @ 10 mcg / spray 2x TAF @ 2.5 mcg / spray** Don’t really notice any hits at costco or the mall. Caught one young woman staring at me in one isle after I stood near her in another area. At checkout three black women 30’s, English is not their first language. They all start giggling and joking with me. Very pleasant. However I notice there are 2-3 kids crying in the background in other lines. When I pass by I notice their faces are red. Poor kids, now I feel bad. I note that the kids who are upset are all white. However my own daughter is in an extremely positive mood - she keeps laughing and giggling. Excited and playful. My kids are half-Hispanic. Hmm. Go to coffee shop, very tall white woman (I’d guess Dutch background) in line behind me turns bright red in the face, then starts flirting with the african american guy w/ dreads at the register - she’s a bit obvious about it and they start holding up the line while I’m sanding near them, waiting for my drink. She starts rubbing her sternum at one spot, and a redish dot forms at the spot she is rubbing. I go to another line to get pizza, the line was slow and so scent built up in area a bit, people were starting to look agitated with a WTF? look on their faces. Not a positive vibe - more just uneasy, unsettled, a bit alarmed. When I get to the register, the lady, latina, probably Honduras, rosy cheeks, gives me a big smile and extended eye contact. She swishes her hips around a little extra when she’s getting me a slice of pizza. A little extra conversation than necessary, like she’s trying to draw it out (there’s a big line). She starts rubbing her hand along upper chest, briefly passes it under bra strap, then hikes up bra while getting my change. Extended gaze and smile as I exit. I go over to food court, lean against a wall w/ stroller. Baby is in very good mood, playing. Two latina teens go to stir fry place in front of me. One, with wider hips, starts smoothing her pants, looks around. She leaves her friend while waiting, walks around and settles down leaning against the wall right next to me - some distance from where she was or where people usually wait. Takes her hair band out an starts tossing her hair out loose. Then puts her hand under her shirt and rubs around. Her friend then comes over to fetch her, pulls her away. She looks back at me when walking away. I go over to different grocery store. Don’t notice any hits walking around. Pick up a small number of things. Play with my phone a bit in the isle near the registers, a few employees standing nearby keep talking about how it’s hot over here, but it’s cold in another part of the store. They seem perplexed! I walk up to the register - African american woman, late 30’s to 40’s. Very unattractive in the face. She starts telling me about how she’s taking classes to write programming language code and mathematics, etc. She starts qualifying herself to me in various ways. She stalls on checking me out and is mostly just trying to float a conversation about her qualifications. Dead-on eye contact. She’s holding my receipt but keeps talking, doesn’t hand it to me. Never in my life have I had a woman just stand there talking and hold onto the receipt!!! She puts her hand under her shirt and bra strap, starts rubbing her hand all around her chest. Huge boobs… she’s rubbing them. One hand on her boobs, the other hand still holding onto my receipt. I’m very amused but don’t show it. I make some excuse about being late, and ask for my reeipt. She’s still talking to me as I walk away… Get home: **5PM add 1 1/2x eRONE @ 2.5 mcg / spray.** Make dinner, kids are in a good mood, no negatives to report. They are very playful and positive. I have 1 mixed drink. I just feel like i NEED a drink. Wife gets home 8PM. I add: **1x P96 @ 25 mcg / spray. 1x LS B-Nol, 25 mcg / spray in everclear.** have one glass of red wine w/ wife. We put the kids to bed, they are straight to sleep. As wife how she’s feeling and she tells me everything that’s in her head. She is very talkative, sincere. Mood seems very stable and unusually pleasant. I’m feeling very very tired. She keeps talking, telling me all her concerns and thoughts. No editing. There is a very pleasant, comforting vibe, but the room seems hot. Even when she has something critical about me to say, it comes off in such a gentle way, like it’s possibly a compliment. Visual effects: vivid memories of what I saw, pleasant visuals. I have nasal congestion, heavy. I note consistent nasal flares when talking to her (TAF???). We go to bed early. We really enjoy cuddling up. In the middle of the night she wakes me up to have sex, very unusual, I had not requested this. She takes the initiative. Duration and performance was better than average. We had just had sex the evening before and usually she wants it every other day max, so I was surprised. Afterwards, she says she can’t sleep. But she does eventually (I think). In the morning I feel like having sex again, and she keeps kissing me, but there is no time. ===== I continue to notice a behavior where woman rub a very specific spot on the front of their shoulder above the axilla. I think it might be the nerve that runs to the axilla. I believe the glands in the breast run back to the axilla also. I think these glands and nerves are being stimulated in some fashion. The other spot rubbed is the upper center of the sternum. Rubbing these specific spots sometimes leaves visible dots at those locations. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 1:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tests-4x-tal-at-2-5-mcg-per-spray-and-my-wife-insists-on-arguing-at-lunch/62296/11 "2014-07-23T13:02:00Z")
7/19 **1x P104 @ 10 mcg / spray 1 1/2x TAC @ 10 mcg / spray 1/2 spray eNone @ 10 mcg / spray 1/2 spray [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) @ 10 mcg / spray 1 spray P77 @ 7.5 mcg / spray 1x TAA @ 7.5 mcg** Note that I had also put on eNone the day previous and not washed it off. Drive wife in car to big art / music festival Wife gets extremely irritated w/ me in the car - it’s epic, yet I’m not phased. She keeps telling me that I seem patronizing or I’m talking to her in a condescending manner. She is incensed that I have a plan as to how I want to get there (directions) instead of going the way she wants to go (which she can’t describe) and that I have a plan what I want us to do there (even though she has no plan of her own). I am feeling very relaxed and cheerful, and I keep humoring her even as her mood continues to be very severe and critical. She takes my humer and cheer as not taking her seriously and being condescending. She at times admits that she’s unreasonably agitated and angry, but continues. She starts saying that I’m acting weird and she does’t know what’s going on, and I’m saying strange things. Asks, “Are you high???”. From time to time over the next few hours, I tell jokes and make light of things a few times, and she reacts harshly to my humor and says I’m acting strangely, then continues to heap criticism on me. Says I’m “trying to hard” to be funny, and “I never listen to her” and “only do what I want to do”. Eventually walking around she cools off and we dance and check out some music an events. We stand in line to get some icecream, and a young blonde girl (college student) in front of me turns around out of the blue and starts talking to me all about icecream and then starts telling me about her life, her work etc. all kinds of personal details … I didn’t ask or anything. The man at the counter exclaims - my people really are friendly today aren’t they??? My wife is standing right next to me, but the girl is just talking at me. So then my wife starts to lighten up. Then at one point when we are dancing, she wants me to come look at some other guy dancing (who is skilled), and I feign that I don’t find him very interesting. She’s incensed by this again and refuses to dance with me any further, because I didn’t pay attention to what she wanted me to look at, so she refuses to dance with me any further, so I invite her to sit with me at the curb, she continues heaping criticisms on me, but I still feel pleasant and relaxed. She asks what’s wrong with me, I’m being weird. We walk around and she cools off again. I’m still feeling very relaxed and easy-going. I don’t feel particularly affected by her feelings, would still rate my own mood positive, … strangely. Despite her really angry/pissy attitude, there was no resistance to physical contact of any kind, and she allowed me to lead her by the lower back from place to place (attempting to insult me the whole time). When we get back to the house she immediately slams shut the door, drops her pants, and bends over. No words, just puts put her face into the mattress, high-heeled feet on the floor, and waits. I was not expecting that! Duration/performance, a bit better than average. The next day she remembers the day as everything being fine and “we had such a great time together!” (okay…?). She can’t wait to back to the festival with me. me: comedic effect. easy-going, relaxed. attracting a lot of attention, be it positive or negative. confident, IDGAF. her: vigilant, wound-up, agitated - alternates angry/aroused. follows my lead, even if she’s complaining about doing so. remembers events positively later. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 12:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tests-4x-tal-at-2-5-mcg-per-spray-and-my-wife-insists-on-arguing-at-lunch/62296/12 "2014-07-25T12:46:42Z")
7/23/14 **mix in 190 proof everclear. clean Androtics 30 ml sprayer 0.5 mcg eNone 0.5 mcg TAC 1.25 mcg [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/)** **1 spray** I tried it out at Son’s pool lesson today, just 1 spray. 50 yo lady from France (nanny) stood next to me and kept getting closer and closer to my face when talking to me, then turned red in face, then she distances after a short convo. Makes me feel a bit tired. Emotions feel just lightly un-anchored, like I am slightly more emotional in an unsettled way, but it it light. Also mildly lethargic. I feel some pulses or ticks in my limbs that catch my attention at various moments. Later that night wife makes dinner and is very helpful, notes that I seem lethargic. She makes some sexual inuendo comments, makes some attempts at physical contact and playful touching. No aggression noted. The following day (no wash): 7/24/14 **1 spray 6AM morning** , calm positive reactions at morning meeting, flushed faces, no aggression. **1 spray, noon** Meeting at 2PM, all-hands… notice lots of flushed faces. Positive & cheerful vibe, no aggression. Woman sitting next to me chats to me a little bit, takes notice. after work, 3PM add **1/2 spray TAL, 2.5 mcg / spray (1.25) 1/2 spray eRONE, 2.5 mcg / spray (1.25) 1 1/2 spray, this MIX.** coffehouse, barista girl is very talkative and helpful, pushes her (huge) chest out, smiles, leans closer. Go to a different coffee house - again I see flushed faces. A family of latina women begin to sit down at long common table next to me, then they move to a different table. People seem very chatty in the place. Go to grocery, notice consistent flushed faces to about 15-20 feet out at checkout lines. The woman in front of me gets VERY red, leaves her cart in the checkout line, blocking up the line - when she leaves, seems flustered. The middle-aged lady behind me gets agitated and asks me to move up, as it was backed up because the cart blocked things now. Stop off at outdoor bar for happy hour 2 hr later, 1/2 spray to back of hands as I sit down. Two black women very near me are quiet at first, but they quickly get very loud and talkative. They seem cheerful. They preen a bit - one fixes her makeup. Then they leave. Home, when wife arrives, she touches me several times, seems calm and cheerful. I feel quite lethargic. Emotions slightly unsettled, but lightly. Not aggressive. After we put kids down, I add 1 spray, wife gets a bit flush. We play a game of questions, she seems a bit distracted by her phone, I get quite upset about it. She realizes her mistake, ignoring me to send friend requests to several people on Facebook, in the middle of what I had wanted to play - a questions game to improve our relationship (Fast Friends Procedure). I find that emotions got the better of me for a while… P83 has done this to me before. We move to having an intimate talk where we are both answering honestly a variety of personal topics we discuss. She tells me some of her deepest fears in a pretty dis-inhibited way. We end up having sex later that night. Discussion I was surprised by the degree to which I felt affected by this spray. I noticed both the sedation of TAC and emotions of P83. Actually the self-fx sedation seemed greater at this dose than it had been at the 10-20 mcg dose I have used in recent weeks. Also surprised by the eNone diffusion properties that this concentration. 15-20 feet seems right, though I did not get any outright aggression, just minor flusters from some people. There was, perhapse, a sense that it was safe to tell me anything, even things she had never said before about rehashed topics. I think I got a bit of truth-serum effect. I don’t know if it was in part the game that led to this, or if TAC/P83 help out. I had imagined that since P83 has poor diffusion, it might work best at these lower concentrations - also Jett has previously suggested to me by PM, that I should try it at 2.5 mcg. With TAC, I have had excessive sedation issues for self FX. I am also getting that at 0.5 mcg, though it’s not a knock-out. It is quite lethargic for me, especially after 1-2 drinks, my wife clearly notices - she said my eyes were “very squinty” In theory this 3 sprays of this is 1.5 mcg and hence work-safe. I’ll have to test, but I’m not completely sure. Diffusion seem much more intense with the 0.5 / spray, compared to 1/2 spray of heat. I will likely make a 30ml of 0.5 mcg of just one molecule for eNone, and P77. Curious about P104 ng effects as well. Will have to pick up P76 in next order. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 5:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tests-4x-tal-at-2-5-mcg-per-spray-and-my-wife-insists-on-arguing-at-lunch/62296/13 "2014-07-26T17:00:52Z")
7/25 Mix p83 1.25 eNone 0.5 , tac 0.5 mcg 2 sprays 10am morning at work, go to get coffee, a blonde thin woman comes to cafe and giggles incessantly as she starts talking to me, turns bright red, she jokes with me and exclaims as i leave - hope you have a wonderful day!!! No idea who this girl is. Passing another girl in hallway, she turns red and giggles, oh hi!!! Don’t really know her. Go by asian girl i talk to occasionally, she asks me all about a project i’m working on, she seems quite excited and cheerful. She keeps talking excitedly as i exit 15 min later, eagerly hanging over her cube wall to talk to me. Says she can’t wait to talk to me again… I feel slightly tired and need my coffee, but feel relaxed and sociable. This seems way more than what i see with 1/2 spray of heat. More impactful. After work, 30pm, 3 sprays, walk to Starbucks, this really gets attention in the line from a few women. A young girl maybe 9-10 keeps staring me down every 15-20 sec, whipping her head back and fourth to pretend shes not looking, but its super obvious. Woman in front of me older, dyed blue hair, turns red on body, arms everything, turns around and eyes me up. The cashier lady acts super excited and asks me twice later how i like what i got, tries to make conversation. While i eat at bar by baristas, several other women literally stare me down and then look away as i look over at them, but a few don’t look away right away, they give me a brief glazed stare. Seems about as much response as would conceivably be socially acceptable. I would rate the impact pretty high. I go hope, 1 spray later in evening, and 1/2 spray eRone 2.5, 1 spray p78 15 mcg. wife is very cuddly and positive mood, lays all over me, She’s up for sex again later that night once kids are asleep, second day in a row (unusual) and we don’t bother with going to the bedroom- she wants it right here, right now. No aggravation or anger noted. We have some pretty.close open talk, honestly talking. Sex seems better than average also. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 1:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tests-4x-tal-at-2-5-mcg-per-spray-and-my-wife-insists-on-arguing-at-lunch/62296/14 "2014-07-28T13:16:09Z")
7/26 wash 2x of mix. brother in law’s GF came over to visit wife and I. Add 1x TAA 7.5 mcg 1x [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) 1 mcg atypically, she wants to drink w/ me, we play a “book of questions game” she gives up lots of personal information willingly. mood is very positive and both ladies are real sweethearts. 3x mix evening. we watch some movie, sex 3rd day in a row. super unusual. 7/27 no wash… 2x mix TAA wife is flirty and then getting grouchy / irratible in morning Add P96 25 mcg / bnol 25 mcg. we go to church wife gets super cuddly again, all romantic. the couple in front of us also starts getting cuddly and romantic…(hey, get a room..) after church, she’s super romantic. we go hang out at park, she’s in really good mood. she gets up and plays soccer etc. stuff she usually never does. We get back to house - 5 hr out, she gets all grouchy again. even worse this time. Starts ranting negatively about everything. talk to her about her anger, then she starts acting all depressed / sulky. Add P96 again, she gets super cuddly and romantic. says she feels better! Add Bnol 25 mcg before dinner, she’s very open and talkative, stable positive mood. helpful. after kids down she puts on master of sex, but we dont’ make it through, she wants to have sex again.. sex 4th day in a row…super super unusual. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 2:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tests-4x-tal-at-2-5-mcg-per-spray-and-my-wife-insists-on-arguing-at-lunch/62296/15 "2014-07-28T14:24:33Z")
What happens with just 500 nanograms -enone? What about 1000 nano.? How do you suppose they arrived at the -enone amount for A314? This was ten years ago. They also used a high-none version. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 2:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tests-4x-tal-at-2-5-mcg-per-spray-and-my-wife-insists-on-arguing-at-lunch/62296/16 "2014-07-29T14:03:34Z")
ok, lets see if I get some free time to make a P77 and an eNone 500 ng dilution this afternoon. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 2:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tests-4x-tal-at-2-5-mcg-per-spray-and-my-wife-insists-on-arguing-at-lunch/62296/17 "2014-07-29T14:09:25Z")
7/28 No wash… 2PM 1 spray P78 @ 15 mcg / spray 3 sprays P75 @ 1 mcg / spray Walk into library, follow up w/ aquantence about shadowing/training. She’s already rubbing her hand all around under her shirt/bra strap all around her shirt/sternum before I even get to her cube… she keeps rubbing all around as I talk to her. Was the HAVC to my back or something? She turns red quickly as I talk to her. She quickly walks me over to a guy who can train me to set up a time, even though I’ve been told before there was no opening. I run into intern again at coffee station, she says OH HI!!! etc. we joke and talk Dead-on eye contact. Go to costco, add 2 more of the 1 mcg P75, no major hits, except a few women seem to be lining up behind me or following my direction without thinking about it. I go get coffee and the guy seems a bit defensive at the register for no real reason. Wash well. 6PM 2x mix -eNone, [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/), TAC.. 1x TAA - 7.5 mcg wife is in good spirits. positive and happy. wants to put kid to bed, wants to “make time for us” we cuddle up close and watch TV after kids to bed. before bed, 10PM, 1 more spray as to sex she protests, but weakly. She’s very tired and I let her sleep. in her sleep legs tremble, like she’s having contractions or something, but she’s dead asleep. I make advances around 5AM, she protests but only weakly, sex again, 5th night in a row. resistance is minimal, she’s pretty submissive. Though she was still showing week resistance at this level, even if physical response was good. ======= ok, lets see if I get some free time to make a P77 and an eNone 500 ng dilution this afternoon. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 3:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tests-4x-tal-at-2-5-mcg-per-spray-and-my-wife-insists-on-arguing-at-lunch/62296/18 "2014-07-30T15:39:59Z")
7/29 no wash 2x mix in morning 6AM busy day in my office, not much of note. 2x mix around 2PM lady at cash register makes some long eye contact. tall muscular black lady, thin. She has a quizzical look on her face. at cvs, indian woman w/ Mehndi on hands, I joke w/ her about it, she seem cheerful. get invite for last min dinner with friends we went to beach with. I add 2x [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) @ 1 mcg / spray We drive up and I feel a very allergic. Get this a lot w/ P75 at this concentration. at dinner add 1x B-nol 25 mcg. Some rather open conversation, but nothing wild Wife and friend’s wife both have very red faces. Wife feels tired and gets a headache on drive back in the car. Falls asleep, then wakes up with headache. She gets quite irritable w/ son when we get back, she yells at him. I’m not really feeling like sex for some reason. Didn’t get time to do mixes. So tired. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2014, 11:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tests-4x-tal-at-2-5-mcg-per-spray-and-my-wife-insists-on-arguing-at-lunch/62296/19 "2014-08-07T11:57:50Z")
8/6/14 **Mixed a P77 @ 500 ng / spray, 30 ml bottle for testing.** afternoon, I make a dilution from a P77 30 ml @ 7.5 mcg / spray Take this, 190 proof everclear, clean 1 ml syringe, new 30 ml sprayer (empty) from Androtics. 1 ml of the (7.5 mcg) P77 + 14 ml of the 190 proof everclear = 15 ml P77 @ 500 ng / spray agitate and incubate 1 hr. wash neck well in sink. **3PM - 1 spray to neck** , scent is noticeable again, musky and I find P77 easy to distinguish. Feels mildly sedative. Go to school to pick up son, teacher is talkative, friendly, no blushing was noted. Getting son into car to go to swim lesson, I feel impatient urges which is a bit unlike me, but I am also feeling slightly sedated and don’t yell. At swim lesson, sat by some Latina ladies, older who had responded strongly to a high-eNone mix previously. I said hello to them and they forgot I was there almost right away. They seemed relaxed and got a bit more chatty with each other than before. They completely ignored me this time ~ 20 min, they didn’t even notice when I walked away. Walked over to nearby place to get sandwich - feeling very relaxed, somewhat sedated. Kind of an i-don’t-care feeling. I feel thirsty! I drink a soda. Then more water. Drop off baby at childcare, younger woman there reacts relaxed and chats w/ me in very relaxed way. I’m getting an i don’t care vibe from others. I could stay or go they don’t care. They don’t seem very excited, but also not rushed. Go back to swim area, a woman who I had chatted with at length with another mix that had good effects previously. She gets very chatty with me, she tells me all about her experiences learning to swim in the middle east/ Africa, she makes long direct eye contact. I do not understand her language very well. She is seeking empathy for her childhood experiences it seems. I ask her some more questions about herself, then it’s time to go. I felt quite relaxed and slightly sedated talking. I bring baby and son back to wife’s work, **6PM, add 1 spray to other side of neck.** While waiting for her to come down to the lobby, I start feeling strong pressure in my testicles at what is that called, the Vas deferens? The spermatic chord. A pinching feeling that is uncomfortable. Bearing down makes a feeling of significant pressure in the whole area apparent. There is a lot of pressure all around the spermatic chords. Feeling extra lethargic / sedated. Ugh, this seems too sedated, I needed more energy than this. We all take the subway together to Baseball stadium. Feeling sedate and somewhat muted, but cheerful still. Make slow-motion efforts to kiss wife several times. She does not get annoyed. At stadium wife goes off for a while to get food in the long lines. The tickets are from her work, they people sitting around us are some of her co-workers. Nobody is paying me any attention, but they seem relaxed and weakly chatty. **I add a 3rd spray to other side of neck, 7:30 PM.** Baby is reaching for woman’s blond hair right in front of me, I makes some comment joking about it to her, she starts chatting with me and just keeps on chatting with me for a while, maybe 10-12 minutes until the game picks up. Easy-going conversation. The woman sitting next to her sniffs her own underarms (what is she smelling?). I feel sedate, the scent is musky and noticeable to me. Wife is pretty relaxed - I note that she is up-wind of me and the air is carrying things the wrong way from my seating position. Later I note that she has gotten redder in the face. Mild face flushing. It’s more apparent at the end of the game, 9PM on the metro ride back. I feel very very thirsty. Maybe it’s all the salty food or the heat. But I’m super-thirsty the rest of the evening and that night. I chugged like 5 bottles of water that afternoon and before bed. Getting home **9:30 PM, add 1/2 spray.** Feeling sedated. Too tired for sex. Wife says she’s too tired to talk when I try to make conversation. We both pass out pretty quickly. In the morning 4:30 AM, I feel the urge for sex and put baby in basket. I make moves on wife for sex and she is compliant, but sleepy. My performance feels off, not fully hard. This has not happened in a while - and never happens when I wear eNone or eRone. Baby wakes up 1/2 way though the sex, we have to stop. She falls right back to sleep, and I just want to cuddle up with her. 6AM meeting, add 1 spray. everyone at meeting seems quite relaxed, boss’s face is very slightly red. Easy-going conversation, a bet sedate, but pleasant. There have been zero arguments or negative comments even since I’ve been wearing this. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2014, 12:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tests-4x-tal-at-2-5-mcg-per-spray-and-my-wife-insists-on-arguing-at-lunch/62296/20 "2014-08-08T00:20:32Z")
My uses of P77 have been straight at 12.5 mcg. It is very relaxed, like TAC, TAK, [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) and even erone. It seems to work best to buffer erone and -enone, to make people comfortable and take the edge off. P74 has a quality of being just a bit too friendly with men. 77 is neutral, and I prefer it to buffer A314 and the like without reducing status. It isn’t exactly friendly so much as non-threatening. People are more tolerant of the A314 or -enone projection. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tests-4x-tal-at-2-5-mcg-per-spray-and-my-wife-insists-on-arguing-at-lunch/62296.md?page=2)