# Thank God for Androtics, bad experience with LS **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 23, 2011, 6:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893 "2011-06-23T18:01:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 11:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893/21 "2011-06-24T11:52:04Z")
> [@Misein](#): > > Well, then it’s a little surprising if they don’t go more for the AD packages. Mine always state only “Glass and plastic bottles”. Do the customs just assume that they’re empty? No idea, I suppose that would be easily confirmed on an x-ray? - I’ve never had an Androtics/DHL packet intercepted, although I suppose that remains a possibility. So that’s another thing to consider when buying from the likes of LS - You need to factor-in the high likleyhood of a customs fee on top of their prices/shipping charges. Mind you, the handling fee is always the largest part and only applies to goods going by USPS/Royal Mail. DHL would probably absorb that or have their own pickup/redelivery arrangements that don’t get this surcharge. LS’s own courier prices (Fedex?) are extortionate - over $50 OTOH. ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 12:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893/22 "2011-06-24T12:17:14Z")
Well the last (and first) time I got a packet from LS, it was delivered straight into my mail box. That was nice, but the DHL service is great too. It’s even better. The last couple of times only my first name and phone number were displayed on the envelope and they had to call me so I could pick it up. I like the privacy that gives me. All my mail goes to my place of business, right beside it there’s a car repair shop and I’m good friends with all the guys there. Good friends enough that they might think it would be OK if they check out whatever delivery comes when I’m not around. After all, they’d assume it has to do with my work and that’s not quite the case here. So I much prefer to go pick the packet up myself. I don’t like the vision of having to explain these bottles and their contents to anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 5:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893/23 "2011-06-24T17:15:02Z")
OK, today I received an email from LS stating that they could not process my order since both my name and address were all fucked up. Damn it, I explained it to them when I placed my first order. Both my name and address contain some umlauts, which obviously can turn into some weird characters when some companies abroad try to recreate them. I thought that they’d save such shipping info, it’s only been about three months since the last and successful shipment but obviously they don’t. So I no longer can expect the packet to arrive by christmas. I still hope it will arrive this year. You may also note that AD has not had any problems with my name nor my address. ---
**Author:** ![Redstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbce88/32.png) [@Redstone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Redstone)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 9:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893/24 "2011-06-24T21:37:15Z")
> [@PheroJack](#): > > I’ve never actually tried NPA first hand but from what I’m reading that’s the message I’m getting.. you are free to correct me 🙂 This goes on way to much. Dilutes the quality of posts in this forum. People should not recommend a product they have never tried. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 9:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893/25 "2011-06-24T21:50:16Z")
> [@Redstone](#): > > This goes on way to much. Dilutes the quality of posts in this forum. People should not recommend a product they have never tried. He wasn’t recommending it - he was telling him what sexual products we have here that could work. I don’t think he intended on saying its just like NPA literally. Only that its for the same situation. Whats your recommendation, so you can contribute to this thread and the quality of posts? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 9:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893/26 "2011-06-24T21:52:29Z")
Hey Misein, The reason we don’t have more oil products is because they must be made in large batches. Its easy for other people who don’t have such complex formulas or fragrance packages (Read up on A314 and its insanely complex formula). To make an oil properly mixed that has great results you have to make large batches and also the contents are MUCH higher than in a spray. With THAT said, maybe I’m looking into testing some formulas for a new oil or two. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 10:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893/27 "2011-06-24T22:42:29Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > Hey Misein, > > The reason we don’t have more oil products is because they must be made in large batches. Its easy for other people who don’t have such complex formulas or fragrance packages (Read up on A314 and its insanely complex formula). To make an oil properly mixed that has great results you have to make large batches and also the contents are MUCH higher than in a spray. > > **With THAT said, maybe I’m looking into testing some formulas for a new oil or two**. 😉 I hope you will. I’d order any such thing the very moment I saw it in the store. ---
**Author:** ![Redstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbce88/32.png) [@Redstone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Redstone)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 11:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893/28 "2011-06-24T23:28:15Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > He wasn’t recommending it - he was telling him what sexual products we have here that could work. > > I don’t think he intended on saying its just like NPA literally. Only that its for the same situation. > > Whats your recommendation, so you can contribute to this thread and the quality of posts? To me “Just buy [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) . It is very close to NPA when it comes to the effects.” sounds like a recommendation with user experience. Recommendation/he was telling him… we’re splitting hairs here, you get the point. As for my own recommendation? I haven’t tried NPA so I wouldn’t feel comfortable giving an alternative option. Actually I dont post often because I have a hard time putting reactions and hits into words. However my recommendations for consistent great AD products are IS and IH and A314. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893/29 "2011-06-25T01:30:41Z")
> [@Redstone](#): > > Actually I dont post often because I have a hard time putting reactions and hits into words. However my recommendations for consistent great AD products are IS and IH and A314. I know how you feel, I sometimes have the same issue. You at least know what vibe he’s going for, though. If you havent tried the product you can recommend how to get the same vibe is what I’m saying. ---
**Author:** ![Rattlesnake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Rattlesnake](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rattlesnake)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 8:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893/30 "2011-06-25T20:34:51Z")
Jeeezuz, “buy Ammo its the same as NPA” isn’t a recommendation?!? Not only is it a bad recommendation the post implies that he’s tried both (not read about them). Redstone hit the nail on the head… ---
**Author:** ![Pandakun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pandakun/32/953_2.png) [@Pandakun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pandakun)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 9:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893/31 "2011-06-25T21:12:58Z")
> [@Rattlesnake](#): > > Jeeezuz, “buy Ammo its the same as NPA” isn’t a recommendation?!? Not only is it a bad recommendation the post implies that he’s tried both (not read about them). > > Redstone hit the nail on the head… True, From what I’ve Read NPA is Very Different… I’ve Used Ammo and to Good Results… But from What I’ve Read NPA “Can” Work Better… It got my Interest, and I’ll be Trying it Out… However I’ve read afew Posts that Mentions It’s a Kind of “Double Edged Sword”… It Works Great or there is a Backlash Reaction… Basically, Anything that Can Create a Strong Reaction Holds the Potential to Cause a Poor Reaction Also… Granted the String Positive Reaction have Been in the Majority… Sounds, Like Fun… From what I Know Ammo is a Very General Product (That is in NO WAY Bad) where as NPA is More Let’s just Say Targeted… Ammo could be Used Anytime AnyWhere… NPA not So Much… ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 12:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893/32 "2011-06-27T12:22:00Z")
Wow, someone at Love-Scent pulled his/her head out of his/her ass with a loud _POP_, because now my stuff apparently has cleared customs at my airport. That’s pretty good, considering that they a week after I placed my order sent me the email about having problems with my address. That was on thursday and I only got it sorted out by friday. Having it this close today means some fine logistics have been done over the weekend. ---
**Author:** ![hillcat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ebca7d/32.png) [@hillcat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hillcat)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 1:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893/33 "2011-06-27T13:45:43Z")
I have tryed both product…I do prefer AMMO i curently have AMMO X2. The thing his with AMMO its easy to dose and mix very well with other product. That being said NPA his a hit or miss but when it hit it really knocks it out of the ballpark. I find AMMO a sexy social kind of product as NPA his aggressive sexually and women cannot control inhabition thats when it hits. i say my experience as been good with NPA but better overall with AMMO because i like mixing and like the way that i can dose things better with spray than oil NPA. that was my 2 cents ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 9:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893/34 "2011-06-28T21:14:54Z")
Good times, received the shipments from both AD and LS today. The LS one had gotten caught in the customs and I was slapped with a nasty fee when I went to get it.☹ From the AD order 4 empty to go bottles were missing. They didn’t cost much, so it’s no biggie but I could’ve used them. Well, I’ll order new ones next time. Which probably will be pretty soon. Another little note is that the [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/) PA I ordered says 6% strength on the bottle but the invoice states cologne strength, which it’s supposed to be. I can’t really tell which one it is. It does smell a little weak. I got it to mask the custom heavy Ammo I ordered in 6% strength and later found could use a stronger scent. ---
**Author:** ![slingblade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e495f1/32.png) [@slingblade](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/slingblade)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 9:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893/35 "2011-06-28T21:23:02Z")
yeah, LS is most certainly not androtics…expect your order to arrive in no less than a week. But to imply that you can find an easy substitute for LS products like NPA/A-7/Alter ego through Androtics sprays is foolish. IMHO, oil versus spray is as important as the reported effects of the [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) or its constitution. Effective dosing and duration are critical. If you want oils (better, IMHO), you have to try a different supplier than androtics. A314 is great, though… ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 9:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893/36 "2011-06-28T21:47:30Z")
Misein, you can order Lacoy products like NPA, Edge, IMPI, etc., directly from Lacoy in South Africa. They’re a lot closer to you than the USA and I’m guessing shipping will be less. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 2:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893/37 "2011-06-29T14:55:00Z")
> [@Misein](#): > > Good times, received the shipments from both AD and LS today. > > The LS one had gotten caught in the customs and I was slapped with a nasty fee when I went to get it.☹ > > From the AD order 4 empty to go bottles were missing. They didn’t cost much, so it’s no biggie but I could’ve used them. > > Well, I’ll order new ones next time. Which probably will be pretty soon. > > Another little note is that the Akuto PA I ordered says 6% strength on the bottle but the invoice states cologne strength, which it’s supposed to be. > I can’t really tell which one it is. It does smell a little weak. I got it to mask the custom heavy Ammo I ordered in 6% strength and later found could use a stronger scent. Just ask, we will send you the bottles that are missing right now. Oddly when things are taken at customs for some reason they take supplies like empty bottles more often than they take full product. 😕 Go ahead and contact us - actually, e-mail me your order # please. I’ll handle it asap. [jslavalle@androtics.com](mailto:jslavalle@androtics.com) Alternatively if you want - you can just ask Mick for a gift certificate to replace the cost of the bottles that are missing so you can just apply it to your next order. ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 3:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893/38 "2011-06-29T15:46:35Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > Just ask, we will send you the bottles that are missing right now. Oddly when things are taken at customs for some reason they take supplies like empty bottles more often than they take full product. 😕 > > Go ahead and contact us - actually, e-mail me your order # please. I’ll handle it asap. [jslavalle@androtics.com](mailto:jslavalle@androtics.com) > > Alternatively if you want - you can just ask Mick for a gift certificate to replace the cost of the bottles that are missing so you can just apply it to your next order. Thanks, it’s best to adjust it in my next order. No sense in sending a few empty to gos when I know I’ll be making an order again (probably as soon as [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) is back in stock 🙂). I discovered that the package was a little torn and a bunch of bottles in bubble wrap had plugged the hole. The to gos may have fallen out before that bigger lump got jammed in there. Good thing the loss was that small. I doubt that the customs had anything to do with it, they should’ve at least grabbed the pipettes or the DPG while they were at it. ---
**Author:** ![TryAnythingOnce](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tryanythingonce/32/283_2.png) [@TryAnythingOnce](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TryAnythingOnce)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 6:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893/39 "2011-06-29T18:59:51Z")
> [@TryAnythingOnce](#): > > Well lets see… > > I’ve been busy this morning (UK). Order to LS and 8:30 am. Order to Androtics 9:00am. Lets see who comes in first…BTW paid $33 for LS fast mail. > > My first order from Androtics was VERY fast…2 days to the UK! 😮 > > Damn…need to change my avatar! ☹ Well looks like my first order from LS came through fine, NPA and Alpha 7. Thats not bad delivery to the UK…4 days. I was’nt in so will collect from DHL tomorrow…in time to mix a little potion with NPA for the weekend 🆒 Androtics shipped today…delayed to go to the lab? must have run out of something as all my order was off the shelf and in in stock…won’t be here for the weekend so the Ammo x2, IJ and IO x2 will have to wait until next week 😃 Next month is going to be one long experiment… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 1:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893/40 "2011-06-30T01:47:41Z")
> [@TryAnythingOnce](#): > > Androtics shipped today…delayed to go to the lab? must have run out of something as all my order was off the shelf and in in stock…won’t be here for the weekend so the Ammo x2, IJ and IO x2 will have to wait until next week 😃 > > Next month is going to be one long experiment… We had a surge of customs and also the new MXs to formulate - keep in mind that we make everything to order if its custom so it could take extra time (we quote a time on the site, but usually try to do same or next day at the latest) If you want something shipped separately if its still on hold please give us a call - 1-800-671-6464 or +01 425-786-2001 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thank-god-for-androtics-bad-experience-with-ls/50893.md?page=3)