# Thanks Jasmin: overnight order for a train ride, trying Spaceland A-nol **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 22, 2005, 8:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thanks-jasmin-overnight-order-for-a-train-ride-trying-spaceland-a-nol/55 "2005-11-22T20:35:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 8:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thanks-jasmin-overnight-order-for-a-train-ride-trying-spaceland-a-nol/55/1 "2005-11-22T20:35:26Z")
i called pretty late in the afternoon (eastern time) hoping to get an order overnighted to me in time for my long train ride tomorrow, and here it is. i think when i called i had just two products in mind, the spaceland 50mcg of A-nol and a bottle of beta-nol and you talked me into getting everything else šŸ˜ƒ. that bottle of instant shine, is that the experimental vial that was packaged with a314? female magic has an unusual aroma, iā€™ve tried several times to pin it down but now my head is buzzing from the effort lol. i think the first time i tried, it was musky but then came at me with both citrus and some EO that i canā€™t pin down (not a very highly developed sense of smell yet) and each time after that it left me chasing one only to be caught by the other. anyway, my cabinet now boasts a veritable whoā€™s who of the [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) world so iā€™m sure the holidays will be fun. from Androtics i now have a314,spaceland 50mcg a-nol, 10mcg beta-nol, TAF 5mcg, instant shine and female magic. šŸ†’ thanks again for getting that order out so quickly, and very happy holiday wishes to everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Aurelie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aurelie/32/1914_2.png) [@Aurelie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aurelie)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 10:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thanks-jasmin-overnight-order-for-a-train-ride-trying-spaceland-a-nol/55/2 "2005-11-22T22:06:31Z")
Fun for the holidays! Oh yes, the spaceland NOL is definitely on my Christmas list as well! šŸ™„ Sometimes just having fun and a good time is worth so much more than the more ā€˜seduction targetedā€™ approach. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 11:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thanks-jasmin-overnight-order-for-a-train-ride-trying-spaceland-a-nol/55/3 "2005-11-22T23:02:35Z")
> [@Aurelie](#): > > Oh yes, the spaceland NOL is definitely on my Christmas list as well! šŸ™„ > > Sometimes just having fun and a good time is worth so much more than the more ā€˜seduction targetedā€™ approach. šŸ˜ƒ actually iā€™ve never even seriously considered a seduction targeted approach. iā€™ve had my fair share and then some before i ever even knew what [pheromones](https://a314.com/) were. blond hair blue eyes and athletic has made that part pretty easy for me šŸ˜‰ i think if i ā€œtriedā€ to go out and seduce a woman it would cause a disruption in my mojo and would just not seem natural. i like to experiment with pheromones because everyone be they female or male always seem to think that i am in a very serious mood, probably because while others are deciding what kind of beer they will have later, i am planning for my eventual world domination.šŸ†’ ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2005, 8:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thanks-jasmin-overnight-order-for-a-train-ride-trying-spaceland-a-nol/55/4 "2005-11-23T20:57:30Z")
busted out the Spaceland 50mcg A-nol today in preparation for a long train ride. my trip got cancelled at the last minute but i wanted to try this now to get acquainted with the amount of spray/scent etc. i used one pump on the inside of my wrist and it was more than enough to share with the other. i may be crazy or i may be nasally challenged or i may even be some of both, but to me this stuff smells just like green tea. itā€™s very very cold and snowing here in michigan today and i donā€™t plan on going to the gym or anything so i canā€™t imagine a very rapid nol to none conversion, all things considered it shouldnā€™t take much to cover it. to me it just smells like iā€™ve been handling bulk teas all day and that isnā€™t offensive at all to me so iā€™m not going to cover it with anything at all and see if itā€™s noticeable as the afternoon wears on. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2005, 1:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thanks-jasmin-overnight-order-for-a-train-ride-trying-spaceland-a-nol/55/5 "2005-11-24T01:22:32Z")
Thanks for the nice words. A shot of Spaceland to your head of hair will produce effects for quite awhile. IFM is unscented. I just called found out how yours, in particular, was formulated. Yours, in particular, has a very small amount of both a fixative (which makes pheromone bind to your skin longer) and a potent fissuion enhancer (which enourages the pheromone molecules to travel away from your skin in response to body heat). The diffusion enhancer does make pheromones more ā€˜smellableā€™. While it doesnā€™t seem likely, I suppose itā€™s in some way possible that the diffusion enhancer may make a phantom citrus note from one of the pheromones. A musky odor is indeed much more likely, because many pheromones do indeed smell musky. They are basically, after all, human musks. Try to use IFM minimally, on your wrists, or a shot to the back of your neck. Testing so far has shown that men may not be as friendly around with with IFM. If you can counteract that with other pheromones, Iā€™d be very interested in hearing about it. Iā€™ve already corrected this to some extent in your version (IFMV1), but it has still has a way to go in future revisions. ā€œIn fieldā€ testing by active pheromone users will help a lot in this regard. Try mixing your b-nol with Spaceland, to add focus. Anything from 1:1 to 1:5 (Spaceland to bnol, in terms of total micrograms applied) should also produce postive yet differing effects, depending on the ratio selected. Another interesting combo would be Spaceland to Shine. Iā€™ve found 2 sprays to Spaceland to 5 of Shine to be a powerful combination in terms of producing a confident & euphoric effect. Iā€™d love to see variations of that. Have fun with the new products! Happy holidays, Michael PS - Is the look of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) and Female magic ok to you? How about the bottles themselves - both good looking & rugged, I hope? Youā€™re one of the first to get the new format. We may change to really nice metallic crimp type heads at some point for these, but we figured users might like to re-use the bottles, or modify the product directly. The screwoff kind allow you to do that. ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2005, 2:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thanks-jasmin-overnight-order-for-a-train-ride-trying-spaceland-a-nol/55/6 "2005-11-24T02:58:36Z")
a little over 5 hours now since the single spray of spaceland to my wrists and while i canā€™t detect the scent just sitting in my own personal space, i check my wrists and it is still very much there and very very clean and pleasant. since i didnā€™t go out of town as planned i had a chance to catch up on computer work at home so havenā€™t been outside or anywhere since i applied it. if my bottle of IFM is unscented, iā€™m going to have my nose checked. while i readily admit to not being a professional nose, IFM has, by far, the most powerful presence of any [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/) iā€™ve had. that includes NPA,TE,SOE,Chikara,Pheros, and now each of the products that iā€™ve purchased from androtics. i donā€™t mean that in a bad way, i havenā€™t tried it yet so i have no idea what it will be like once out of the bottle. but this stuff is strooong. i havenā€™t ever bought an unscented version of any pheromone product yet but i canā€™t for the life of me imagine this bottle being described as unscented. i donā€™t want to give the impression that it is a foul odor but i guess iā€™m limited in descriptive abilities because i donā€™t have the scent background. iā€™ll be sure to put some of those combos to use. i like to try each one on its own for a few days to see how it reacts on me first then around other people second. as far as the bottles go, iā€™m totally cool with the look and unscrewable tops. i will almost certainly keep the bottles and end up re-using them as mix bottles in the future. iā€™ve read that a lot of people prefer to take labels off of their pheromone bottles but it never concerned me in the slightest and i think that the labels for IFM and Instant Shine put the product across in a way that can be very easily used to the guys advantage, if he has any game at all. ---
**Author:** ![PheroWizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/858c86/32.png) [@PheroWizard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroWizard)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2005, 12:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thanks-jasmin-overnight-order-for-a-train-ride-trying-spaceland-a-nol/55/7 "2005-11-26T00:21:40Z")
> [@josef](#): > > if my bottle of IFM is unscented, iā€™m going to have my nose checked. josef, While it may connote an altogether different meaning to most people, in the world of pheromones the word ā€œunscentedā€ typically means ā€œno fragrance addedā€. You mentioned that you have NPA. It too falls into the unscented category, and itā€™s some seriously smelly stuff as you probably know. Frankly, if I bought an unscented phero product and it DIDNā€™T smell funky, THATā€™S when Iā€™d start to worry. Your nose is probably just fine! PheroWizard šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2005, 1:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thanks-jasmin-overnight-order-for-a-train-ride-trying-spaceland-a-nol/55/8 "2005-11-26T01:00:11Z")
you are entirely correct. i didnā€™t do a good job of describing the effect the first whiff had on my nose, and i put myself across the table from everyone else instead of sitting side by side. i have mentioned elsewhere that i am pretty new to trying these products, evidenced even moreso now by my lack of understanding the pheromone version of unscented. of all the other [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) i have, i can inhale fully if i chose to, directly from the bottle, including NPA which has only a slight sterile lab smell to me. IFM is initially very strong without being ā€œfunkyā€ so when my newbie ears read unscented (in spite of seeing it written about other products in other places yet never having purchased or tried an ā€œunscentedā€ version) , i had no basis in unscented and therefore shocked to think that my bottle had no scent. šŸ˜ƒ iā€™ve only just recently picked up my first few bottles of essential oils (frankincense, patchouli,clary sage and sandalwood) and the first reaction i had to IFM would be similar to opening several different bottles of EOā€™s at the same time BEFORE theyā€™ve been diluted. iā€™m just here to learn and have some fun at the same time, hopefully no one is harmed by my descriptions. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 6:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thanks-jasmin-overnight-order-for-a-train-ride-trying-spaceland-a-nol/55/9 "2005-11-27T06:10:49Z")
Yes, some pheromones definitely do smell funky. Depends on the nose, too. We just got another one of those rare 1 in 300 freakouts over A314, in which the pheromones are scentless to many people. Even though he had the nearly scentless version, he complained that it just reeked for days, and there was no way of washing it off. Some people are super sensitive to pheromonal odors. He got embarassingly EXCEPTIONAL results with A314 despite his sensitivity. Thereā€™s definitely no harm with your descriptions, Josef! The unique thing about words is that you can always say more of them to to add to or subtract from a past statement. Blabber on at will. Thatā€™s a good mix of essential oils to start with. I like Myrrh, as well - Franincenseā€™s good buddy. Both have musky undertones. Actually, everything youā€™ve chosen has musky undertones. True, unscented doesnā€™t mean scent free. Everything has a scent. The best you could do towards the goal of being ā€œscentlessā€ is to provide very specific counterpoint to the inherent odors. Cancel them by feedback (adding more odors to create the illusion of no odor at all). I know of one fragrance technology company that attacks malodors in such a fashion. ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2005, 6:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thanks-jasmin-overnight-order-for-a-train-ride-trying-spaceland-a-nol/55/10 "2005-11-28T18:57:43Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > Yes, some pheromones definitely do smell funky. Depends on the nose, too. i got my first ever massive OD response a few days ago. i made an experimental mix of 5 drops A1, 5 drops NPA and 21 drops A314 and let them sit together in the bottle for over 24 hours before using. using 1 dab of this mix between both wrists and 1 dab behind each ear. that night several of us got together to go out for the night and it required a 30 minute car ride to go and pick some people up. the guy driving was absolutely repelled by the mix and i donā€™t mean his behavior/attitude i mean that he was very vocal about it, ā€œdude, did you shower today? my eyes are watering over hereā€ etc. lol. all i had tried to cover it with was a generous amount of axe kilo which to me smells very similar to chikara. i guess the axe wasnā€™t enough, haha. the first chance i got i called my brother since i had just left his place as i was visiting my nieces and nephews before going out. i put that mix on about 45 minutes before i left my brothers to meet up with friends so my call to my brother was to see if i could get verification on the horrible odor. my brothers wife answered the phone and as she has never pulled any punches with me i thought it a good place to start and neither she nor my brother had noticed any bad odor at all, and considering i had been running around his house chasing the kids around, it would have been apparent there as well. havenā€™t had a chance to try that mix again, got a bunch of stuff from androtics here in the meantime and iā€™ve been sampling each of them solo to get a feel for each one individually before considering mixes with them. > [@MHarris](#): > > We just got another one of those rare 1 in 300 freakouts over A314 man, i hope i didnā€™t come across as freaking out ā˜¹ > [@MHarris](#): > > Thatā€™s a good mix of essential oils to start with. I like Myrrh, as well - Franincenseā€™s good buddy. Both have musky undertones. Actually, everything youā€™ve chosen has musky undertones. just this morning i was flipping through the channels and i stopped at a movie i hadnā€™t seen for probably ten years called The Woman in Red with gene wilder and kelly lebrock. in one scene they are about to walk into an apartment and kelly tells gene something like ā€œyou smell fantastic, what is that youā€™re wearing?ā€ to which he replies ā€œoh, sandalwoodā€ i remember high school as being a battle of colognes, all the guys trying to pimp the best cologne , and always wearing way too much. iā€™m not in high school anymore and i certainly donā€™t want to smell like any womans ex husband/boyfriend, so iā€™m trying the essential oils as an effort to avoid being in that situation anymore. iā€™ve never cared for patchouli but hey, when i read that it is the scent more women responded positively to than any of the others presented, i sit up and take notice. the frankincense and clary sage i got particularly for the mood enhancement effects they are purported to have on women. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2005, 10:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thanks-jasmin-overnight-order-for-a-train-ride-trying-spaceland-a-nol/55/11 "2005-11-28T22:15:07Z")
Yes, some people are supersensitive to pheromones. However, MANY people are sensitive to NPA. No, you didnā€™t come accross as freaking out. It was someone else entirely. Essential oils do tend to morph to to your own body odors, but so do some colognes, too. While all colognes are refined, not all are as heavy in synthetics. Theyā€™ll take something like, say, cedarwood oil, and heavily filter it. Cologne doesnā€™t automatically equal synthetic, or a stationary odor which doesnā€™t evolve or change on the skin. Patchoulli is one of those rare essential oils where older is best. Buy a pound of a good one and let it age, or source an old patchoulli from the 1940s, maybe. Fresh patchoulli and old patchoulli are quite different. Itā€™s actually a promiment note in many colognes and parfums, and again, thatā€™s where the refinery process comes in. They make it a far more ā€œacceptableā€, and they standardize it for consistency and easy solvency. Where did you read that patchoulli is the scent more women responded to positively? Thatā€™s pretty interesting. With anything like that, for sensual purposes, itā€™s important to keep it all low key. Natural or synthetic, scents should almost always be secondary to the task at hand. (thatā€™s why I like using diffusive musks that most people are anosmic to as carrier molecules - they do what they have to without diverting focus) ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2005, 10:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thanks-jasmin-overnight-order-for-a-train-ride-trying-spaceland-a-nol/55/12 "2005-11-28T22:43:51Z")
hm, well i only have a very small one half ounce bottle of the oil. if it turns out to be an acceptable scent for me to wear (or to mix with the others i have) then iā€™ll certainly consider getting a larger quantity or perhaps finding a source to buy some older stuff. since i just bought a commercial brand, aura cacia i believe is the mfrā€™s name, iā€™m sure it is relatively new. that half ounce bottle was only ten bucks but the sandalwood half ounce set me back 38. i donā€™t have the link for the reference to womens response to patchoulli otherwise iā€™d gladly supply it, but that is the kind of thing that immediately captures my attention. i think on the mens side it was donuts lol. if i run across that study again i will be sure to save the link. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 5:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thanks-jasmin-overnight-order-for-a-train-ride-trying-spaceland-a-nol/55/13 "2005-12-02T17:51:24Z")
> [@josef](#): > > as far as the bottles go, iā€™m totally cool with the look and unscrewable tops. i will almost certainly keep the bottles and end up re-using them as mix bottles in the future. iā€™ve read that a lot of people prefer to take labels off of their pheromone bottles but it never concerned me in the slightest and i think that the labels for IFM and Instant Shine put the product across in a way that can be very easily used to the guys advantage, if he has any game at all. Cool. As far your game goes, I think it would be interesting sometime if you posted about your version of ā€œgameā€. Maybe a couple of instructions and some results youā€™ve seen from it. Itā€™s a twist/perpective not many use. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 6:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thanks-jasmin-overnight-order-for-a-train-ride-trying-spaceland-a-nol/55/14 "2005-12-02T18:15:20Z")
> [@josef](#): > > hm, well i only have a very small one half ounce bottle of the oil. if it turns out to be an acceptable scent for me to wear (or to mix with the others i have) then iā€™ll certainly consider getting a larger quantity or perhaps finding a source to buy some older stuff. since i just bought a commercial brand, aura cacia i believe is the mfrā€™s name, iā€™m sure it is relatively new. that half ounce bottle was only ten bucks but the sandalwood half ounce set me back 38. Well, hereā€™s the thing about patchouliā€¦ if it doesnā€™t turn out to be an acceptable scent for you to wear, then still seek out the older stuff. Old patchouli, maybe a nice antique french patchouli, doesnā€™t smell like new. It doesnā€™t overlap in similarity anymore than box wine (think Bronco/Franzia/Shaw) from new grapes the size of exercise balls, tastes like a nicely wine from starved grapes and great soil. From the ā€œsame sourceā€ comes two different animals, depending on other variables in play. So you got a half ounce of Sandalwood for only $38? You got a steal, my friend. You usually wonā€™t find such low price for a quantity like that, especially with the curtailing of Sandalwood production madated by the Indian government. The prices on that per barrel are going through the roof, and as theyā€™re mostly reserves. > [@josef](#): > > i donā€™t have the link for the reference to womens response to patchoulli otherwise iā€™d gladly supply it, but that is the kind of thing that immediately captures my attention. i think on the mens side it was donuts lol. if i run across that study again i will be sure to save the link. Iā€™d love to see it if you do come across it again. I know itā€™s a very ā€œearthyā€ scent, and what connects you ā€œdown belowā€, makes you want to connect, wellā€¦ ā€œdown belowā€. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 8:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thanks-jasmin-overnight-order-for-a-train-ride-trying-spaceland-a-nol/55/15 "2005-12-02T20:47:08Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > Cool. > > As far your game goes, I think it would be interesting sometime if you posted about your version of ā€œgameā€. Maybe a couple of instructions and some results youā€™ve seen from it. Itā€™s a twist/perpective not many use. i think i was born lucky. probably no coincidence that i was also born scorpio. now before anyone goes and says what the hell does scorpio have to do with anything, i had no idea what that meant either and also had no pre-disposition to believe in star sign mumbo jumbo. i have always been very fortunate to have women around and i do mean women, not girls. it was only after about my third or fourth relationship with a much much older woman (on avg 10-20 years) beginning since about the time i turned 18 that i realized that several of them had each made very similar comments, including guessing that i was a scorpio. i have a very inquisitive nature, so immediately looked it up and read everything i could about scorpios, even ending up hooking up with a woman or two in borders bookstores after meeting them while reading about scorpios. after hearing all of the comments from older, mature women about my own individual nature and then reading about scorpio men it pretty much summed up almost word for word and personality trait to habit, everything about me. some people have to work for _game,_ scorpio men however, are born with it. šŸ˜ƒ now that itā€™s been 18 years since iā€™ve been 18 i have much better perspective to look back and try to find similarities in the way that i pulled these women and a very significant number of them i had no real choice, or to put it differently, it was going to happen _unless_ i made some active conscious choice to prevent it. probably the only times i ever botched a seduction were the times when i did something to **try** and make it happen. so i donā€™t ever try anymore. i wish i would have stopped trying by the time i was 25 or hell , even 21. i get the feeling that women are very good at picking up on desperation, i mean come on, any woman that doesnā€™t believe that every guy that says hello to her is trying to see if she will let him fuck her is being naive. they might also be denying it in order to get your (or another mans) approval. iā€™m only ever desperate to fuck the women that iā€™ve already been with, and usually because it is a very convenient and easy way for me to let them know that they are desirable, since lots of women have those image issues we all know about haha. iā€™ve never really thought about what makes game. some things i know to be facts about me, no woman scares me. they do not intimidate me. they will always be the first to blink, whether it be the first introduction or when we are coiled up together later on šŸ˜‰ does that mean i have sex with every woman iā€™ve ever wanted to have sex with , of course not. but iā€™ve never been rejected just once. ultimately for me its not about how many women iā€™ve had sex with anyway, i just want to have women for partners that are willing to allow their bodies to be honest with me, even when their mouth isnā€™t. what good is it to say that youā€™ve been with 100 women if you only had a really tremendously good sex connection once or twice? some rules that iā€™ve learned to live by, appearance is not everything. iā€™ve had good sex relationships with professional women (professionally dressed women are the most attractive to me) even though when we met i was probably wearing short pants, sneakers and a tshirt. if your outer appearance doesnā€™t match your speech/manners/mannerisms etc, it will only peak their curiousity about you anyway. i guess i should clarify that by saying that if you wear shorts and a tshirt but sound and act like a dignified respectable man it will make them curious. i think it helps me a little that iā€™ve travelled the world, taken the time to practice little bits of lots of languages, have very advanced federal license in my field ,etc. also, iā€™ve learned the hard way that if i want a woman for sex and i have not met her yet, everything about my voice, my eye contact with her, my speech etc, everything tells her subtly that i want to please her in the most intimate of ways. you can either be a sex partner or you can be a shoulder for her to cry on. she has girlfriends for the crying/bitching etc and i have business to do/golf to play haha. if i meant to have long heart to heart talks with her i would make her my wife. all this reminds me of a great quote about women considering dating scorpios that i will have to paraphrase because its been a while but it goes something like thisā€¦ ā€œso, youā€™re considering dating a scorpio man hm, well you might as well just call your therapist to make an appointment, then go over to his house, knock on his door, take your panties off , let him do what he wants because he will get it somehow anyway and youā€™ll most likely enjoy it, that is until the point where you try to figure out where you lost control but that is what your therapist is there for anyway.ā€ šŸ†’ ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 8:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thanks-jasmin-overnight-order-for-a-train-ride-trying-spaceland-a-nol/55/16 "2005-12-02T20:53:28Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > So you got a half ounce of Sandalwood for only $38? > > You got a steal, my friend. You usually wonā€™t find such low price for a quantity like that, especially with the curtailing of Sandalwood production madated by the Indian government. The prices on that per barrel are going through the roof, and as theyā€™re mostly reserves. yeah, 38 bucks. actually after the girl at the check out made a comment about how expensive she thought that stuff was, i checked online when i got home and found a bottle from a different manufacturer for 26 bucks. i should add though that i am not a price shopper, i want quality first and foremost. quality is evident in all good things, just like _cheap_ is so glaringly obvious in a wide range of products regardless of price. i bought it at the local hippy natural store. hippies donā€™t make good capitalists. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2005, 2:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thanks-jasmin-overnight-order-for-a-train-ride-trying-spaceland-a-nol/55/17 "2005-12-03T14:18:26Z")
> [@josef](#): > > yeah, 38 bucks. actually after the girl at the check out made a comment about how expensive she thought that stuff was, i checked online when i got home and found a bottle from a different manufacturer for 26 bucks. i should add though that i am not a price shopper, i want quality first and foremost. quality is evident in all good things, just like _cheap_ is so glaringly obvious in a wide range of products regardless of price. i bought it at the local hippy natural store. hippies donā€™t make good capitalists. šŸ˜ƒ 26 is great, too. Prices are like are from the past, though. If you were to get new sandalwood oil, and ounce would a lot more. You figure wholesale itā€™s $1k-$2k per pound now, so do the math after people make a profitā€¦ especially with supply chain markups that occur when you find something at a physical store. You have something like this: Suppliers of raw goods ā€“\> (sometimes brokers go here) ā€“\> real manufacturers ā€“\> (something labelers go here) ā€“\> distributors (sometimes more than 1) ā€“\> (jobbers sometimes go here) ā€“\> stores ā€“\> you Thatā€™s a big chain, especially if all of the steps are in place. If youā€™re all about quality in essential oils, youā€™ll really like this essential oil supplier: [http://www.naturesgift.com/](http://www.naturesgift.com/) They try, anyway, Iā€™ve got to give that to them. Many of their oils are exceptional and will beat the pants off of what is commonly available. For better sources, youā€™re usually going to just one guy for a patchouli or whatever - itā€™s much more involved. Youā€™re right about your last comment. When hippies enter the market and sell _anything_, theyā€™re not great capitalists. In fact, I content that many of the hippies who actually sell things are some of the greediest and most unreasonable people youā€™ve ever seen. Health food stores are a good example of that. If you were to piece together everything you find in a reasonably priced and fantastically researched non-hippy product like AORā€™s Ortho-Core, youā€™d spend a fortune. If you were a poor, young hippy who clings to their guitar, why youā€™d have to be selling off that hippy plasma every day for 2 weeks to buy something similar from the hippyā€™s who buy from ā€œthe love shackā€ next door. The famous hippies Ben & Jerry introduced one of the most expensive ice creams of all times @ $5 a pint, which is even more than it is today with inflatation. I donā€™t know what itā€™d be in todayā€™s dollars - what, $8 a pint? Maybe more with the poor value of the todayā€™s US dollar? Then they sold to one of the most ā€œevilā€ (to a normal hippy, anyway) multinational corporations theyā€™ve couldā€™ve - Unilever. While I have mixed feelings about Uniliver, at least they dropped the prices through the floor. Iā€™ve seen pints of B&J go for as little as $2 a pint (on sale, anyway), and thatā€™s in todayā€™s weak dollar. Ben & Jerryā€™s was also involved in a massive fraudā€¦ talking about how their ice cream was dioxin free on the back panel of each pint, while, in fact, they had a dioxin level about 200 times greater than even the government says is safe (and we know how the government underplays toxic substances!) [http://www.junkscience.com/dec99/bjftc.pdf](http://www.junkscience.com/dec99/bjftc.pdf) Ben Cohen, in fact, almost died of his own ice cream, because itā€™s such an anti-health food. Heā€™s had some pretty drastic surgery. At least he took his own medicine! I canā€™t help but think that the average joe is more caring than the average hippy. They do their job for a reasonable price, they help you when your car gets a flat, theyā€™ll have a beer with you and give you a nice chat about just about anything. While I myself am sort of a mix of unusual things šŸ˜‰, thereā€™s a lot of reasonableness and kindness in ā€œnormalā€ people that Iā€™m not sure gets appreciated. I think a lot of the people who wear a subgenre of ā€œkindnessā€ on their arms, especially, are falsely advertising. I like to look at actual behaviors (ethology), more than what people want you to think. Honestly, Iā€™ve seen more scrooge like behavior from bonafide hippies than I ever did in the Scrooge fairytale! Caveat emptor. Look at behaviors not slogans. ā€œWhat isā€ wins out every time over what people want you to believe. ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2005, 5:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thanks-jasmin-overnight-order-for-a-train-ride-trying-spaceland-a-nol/55/18 "2005-12-03T17:03:42Z")
i will check out the EO link this afternoon. there are a couple more iā€™m interested in, particularly jasmine (i used to live in jamaica and the smell of night blooming jasmine automatically floods my brain with memories) and i saw one called Melissa, not sure what that one was as i was only scanning down the price list on the site i was at and it seemed very expensive so naturally it caught my eye haha. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2005, 11:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thanks-jasmin-overnight-order-for-a-train-ride-trying-spaceland-a-nol/55/19 "2005-12-09T23:16:14Z")
Hey MHarris I checked out that essential oils website you posted. Have you had much experience with exotic essential oils such as Agarwood, Osmanthus Absolute, Tuberose Absolute, and Zdravetz. From the descriptions of the products I think these could make very useful adjuncts to [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) (check out their description of Osmanthus - it looks like a ā€˜hitsā€™ report!). Visionary > [@MHarris](#): > > ā€¦If youā€™re all about quality in essential oils, youā€™ll really like this essential oil supplier: > > [http://www.naturesgift.com/](http://www.naturesgift.com/) > > They try, anyway, Iā€™ve got to give that to them. Many of their oils are exceptional and will beat the pants off of what is commonly available. For better sources, youā€™re usually going to just one guy for a patchouli or whatever - itā€™s much more involvedā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2005, 6:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thanks-jasmin-overnight-order-for-a-train-ride-trying-spaceland-a-nol/55/20 "2005-12-10T18:42:26Z")
> [@Socrates](#): > > Hey MHarris > > I checked out that essential oils website you posted. Have you had much experience with exotic essential oils such as Agarwood, Osmanthus Absolute, Tuberose Absolute, and Zdravetz. From the descriptions of the products I think these could make very useful adjuncts to pheromone products (check out their description of Osmanthus - it looks like a ā€˜hitsā€™ report!). > > Visionary Some experience. Iā€™m quite aware of the power of essential oils. Unless modified, almost all seem to work best up close & personalā€¦ but the power they yield in that small radius can be enormous! Various editions of A314 do contain some very rarified essential oils. Iā€™ve actually made one off solutions of many EOs to test in the same way you would pheromones. This takes an enormous amount of time, since I have over 300 EOs. Thanks for pointing out that Osmanthus description! I swear Iā€™ve read everything on that site before, but somehow that has escaped me. Impressive. Right now, most of the oils used in colognes and parfums, are extremely refined even when theyā€™re natural. I think, in the future, a melding of essential oil (which we can think of as ā€œcompleteā€ oils) and the simplest parts of the more synthetic technologies could be extremely powerful. The ā€œeither/orā€ scenario not working nearly as well as the ā€œandā€. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thanks-jasmin-overnight-order-for-a-train-ride-trying-spaceland-a-nol/55.md?page=2)