# The advantages and disadvantages of premixing cologne with putatives in trials **URL:** \ **Category:** Pheromone Theory & Molecules\ **Created:** [September 2, 2007, 12:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-advantages-and-disadvantages-of-premixing-cologne-with-putatives-in-trials/5367 "2007-09-02T12:46:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 2\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2007, 12:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-advantages-and-disadvantages-of-premixing-cologne-with-putatives-in-trials/5367/1 "2007-09-02T12:46:11Z")
I’ll start off with quoting myself from a different thread. > [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](#): > > The men’s testing versions sent out on this week’s special are in a powerful modern cologne base. This is the “Game” cologne scent used by Androtics. The smell is powerful enough that I’ll be limiting myself to 1 spray of these so I don’t exceed my personal cologne tolerance. Also, I probably won’t be testing these at work due to the power of the cologne scent. > > My preferences are for light doses of many of the old classic 19th and early 20th century colognes. Modern colognes are usually not my style. I have tried out some different ouds and some sandalwood oil from leads I found here on this forum, and like the “wood shop” smell they give me. But for testing purposes I sucked it up and sprayed myself with 12.5 mcg of the p104 (mx 254) and went out into the world smelling like a modern guy. I think this deserves a discussion in itself so hence this new thread. **Disadvantages** There is less likely to be experimentation with dosages since the acceptable cologne strength defines a narrow dosage range. Less likely to be mixed if it is presented as a complete product. Most people tend not to mix colognes, although there are exceptions. Some people won’t like the cologne, no matter what it is. The cologne itself may contribute some influence to mood. For one used a lot like the neroli this probably is not a big effect and it applies to many products so any added effect from the cover scent probably evens out for comparative purposes. However, if 2 cover scents have different emotional impacts and they are used to try intercomparison of [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/), any differences might be partially due to differences in the cover scent. Some may argue that colognes don’t influence mood in the same manner as pheromones. However, there’s some reason for the large industry that creates them and it’s continuity through the centuries. The cologne may define the situations in which the product will be tested. For instance, some cologne may not be deemed appropriate for some work environments and few results pertaining to those environments will be obtained. Also, some environments have restrictions on colognes, and any cologne cover will rule out testing in those environments. **Advantages** There is less likely to be experimentation with dosages since the acceptable cologne strength defines a narrow dosage range. Less likely to be mixed if it is presented as a complete product. Most people tend not to mix colognes, although there are exceptions. More likely to be tested by the (large?) fraction of the market who like to simply spritz on a product without fuss and then go. The cologne may define the situations in which the product will be tested. This effect could be used to advantage. For instance, if a putative showed promise for the bar pick-up scene an appropriate cologne cover could be used and testing might be focused on that scene. If this effect was sought after it might be advisable to mention the type of cologne cover and the environment it was designed for in the test launch announcement. You can probably tell which way my preferences as a user and tester lean from the way I presented the lists. I find the cologne cover limits my usage. However the criteria I employ as a user may differ from those I would employ as a test designer. For instance, if I as a test designer wanted inputs in a fairly narrow dosage range I could use a cologne cover to inhibit the use of larger doses. As a whacko user I might want to try massive doses. Any other advantages or disadvantages to the cologne covers for putatives? If so, throw them out there. Also, what are your feelings and desires about the use of cologne covers in the putative trials? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2007, 12:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-advantages-and-disadvantages-of-premixing-cologne-with-putatives-in-trials/5367/2 "2007-09-03T12:53:30Z")
Hi GW Good post. Except in the case of neroli because I can use pretty much any other scent with that with good results and the chocolitini cause I just love that one, I prefer them unscented. But if I get them unscented I have to use something that diffuses well or I do see the difference in the effectiveness. Like the new one coming in the coconut scent, I will probably have a little trouble covering and I am not a big fan of coconut but I really want to test the mix so I got it anyway. Plus it was the wednesday special and it was free so I am not complaining. 😛 Plus it does limit your dosage and mixing ability a little when they have opposing scents. The men have more choices in the all in one consumer products then the women do so opposing scent will effect them more then us. We just have Instant sexiness at this point and I know that will change over time and there will be more womens products. I think they should sticK to one comman scent base and if people want to use a different one then they can order that. I do however see why they send out different scents in the test batches. I think its because they are testing the scent as well as the mones. I do believe that certain scents in themselves can evoke responses in people. Not in the same manner as mones but on a more consious level. Like peach sugar for instance. I can wear that without any mones and I will get more attention from people and it makes people feel good. I even get a occational hit. Its just a amazing scent. Add certain mones to that and it can become a hit fest and I have had my boss yell at a few guys to get away from my desk and get back to work LOL. Puratives should come unscented because we dont know what they will do and mayneed large doses which would be a problem if a scent was added. MX’s I think they kinda know what they are supposed to do already and how much we may need. Its like the next level of testing and I am not opposed to using the popular easy to cover scents in those. Dosage can still range from high to low so you dont want anything overpowering in scent. Consumer products are supposed to be an all in one, well rounded products. They are designed to use alone but of course we still mix them LOL. I do notice the ones more likely to be beneficial mixed with something else have the same scent of neroli. Like IO, IH or Shine. I think mixing something like A314 and [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) is just overkill but thats just my opinion. Tisha