# The "Archetypes" of Woman we Desire **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [January 27, 2007, 5:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-archetypes-of-woman-we-desire/1783 "2007-01-27T05:30:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![smn1234](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smn1234/32/2430_2.png) [@smn1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smn1234)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 9:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-archetypes-of-woman-we-desire/1783/41 "2007-04-22T21:07:58Z")
great post. indeed ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 1:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-archetypes-of-woman-we-desire/1783/42 "2007-04-23T01:08:37Z")
What is my ideal archetype of woman? Great question alpha\_wolf (BTW, it’s good to see you back again). I have been reading this thread since you posted it, but really had to sit down and ask myself what it would be for me. I’m just uncertain how I would answer this with a single clear-cut answer. I don’t believe, for me anyway, that it is possible. It’s a very thought provoking question and for that it is a great contribution to the forum. Thanks for making my brain work. ---
**Author:** ![Pheraoh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheraoh/32/857_2.png) [@Pheraoh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pheraoh)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 3:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-archetypes-of-woman-we-desire/1783/43 "2007-04-23T03:30:52Z")
> [@alpha\_wolf](#): > > 1. The badass goth rocker chick > Celebrity analogy: Avril Lavign > Why we like her: She’s pretty, but she’s got a very unique style. She won’t take your shit and she’s very strong on the outside. Getting to know her and breaking her bitch shield to the point where she’s exposing her vulnerabilities to you is an awesome feeling. > How to attract her: Pay tribute to goth culture, understand/share her sense of style. Get at the reason why a girl turned more gothic/rocker with a hard exterior, when you understand the reason you can try to figure out a way to add value to her vulnerabilities/life goals. I know we’re just going for archetypes here, but Avril Lavigne is so not goth. She’s not even really punk, more of a bastardized watered down pop/punk. Punk/rocker babes are more about being or at least having the illusion of being about rebellion, freedoom, and being carefree. Gothic chicks are more interested in questioning their mortality. Misanthropists at heart, they’re fascinated by death, and see beauty/humor/sexuality in the macabre. ---
**Author:** ![chirimoya](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/chirimoya/32/1538_2.png) [@chirimoya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chirimoya)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 4:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-archetypes-of-woman-we-desire/1783/44 "2007-04-23T16:56:20Z")
> [@TaoistBiker](#): > > When I think of archetypes, I think of the identities or ideals that people may associate with. For women, this might be identities like “Career Woman”, “Free Spirit”, “Nurturer”, “Librarian/Academic”, etc. As these identities and roles shift for the individual, so might the sensitivity to certain phero signatures shift as these roles may be mood related. > > Maybe a multi-dimensional aspect comes to the front in which a woman who can embody different archetypes could be shifted between them by pheromones. > > Does shifting the phero signature shift the archetype, or is the opposite the case? > > (How did my view of the universe get so malleable? 🙂 ) > > Any thoughts along these lines? Hi Taoist Biker, It would seem to me the “shift archetype or shift signature?” question is an inter-related one. Both shifts are aided by one another. As one who loves to shift archetypes (both consciously and to watch as my life plays out as a succession of archtypal experiences…), pheromones definitely help me get “into character.” A very interesting project would be to create a catalog that matches pheromones to archetypes. For instance, [Instant Sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/) A could be “Career Woman” or the animus of female. A man wearing TAH could be tapping into his anima. We could get way more intricate than this, but I like the ideas your question suggests. ---
**Author:** ![Nunya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac8455/32.png) [@Nunya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Nunya)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2007, 6:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-archetypes-of-woman-we-desire/1783/45 "2007-04-23T18:30:03Z")
> [@chirimoya](#): > > It would seem to me the “shift archetype or shift signature?” question is an inter-related one. Both shifts are aided by one another. As one who loves to shift archetypes (both consciously and to watch as my life plays out as a succession of archtypal experiences…), pheromones definitely help me get “into character.” I totally agree with you - as you know I’ve played with this some. it really is like getting into character or putting on a costume. ---
**Author:** ![Kitten](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kitten/32/1051_2.png) [@Kitten](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kitten)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2007, 1:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-archetypes-of-woman-we-desire/1783/46 "2007-04-24T01:18:13Z")
Hi All. Mind if I contribute? I tend to the Sexy Secretary/Librarian in a tight cardigan archetype or the High Class Euro chick archetype–Mainly depending on whether I wear glasses or contacts. For the secretary persona, a maverick bad boy type would be preferrable…so maybe some Dirty along with Ammo on the guy? Possibly some shine to help him _try_ to persuade me out of my pencil skirt. For my euro persona (I am not european, but look nordic and am cultural with good taste etc), I like a guy in a suit. Cufflinks and a shirt collar that shows above the collar of his jacket are tres sexy. For that, I’d say [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) again and 314 for me to pay attention. This is just based on what I have read about these products, never smelled them. Best advice for guys: Relax. Take it slow. And work out. Yes, you do have to look good. Regarding game: The only problem I see is when a guy implies he is interested in a woman as a person rather than as a means for fast sex. If he does this, he should not be surprised when she acts like his gf the next day. On the other hand, we women sometimes confuse desire with love. Love is its own creature and can join lust or not. It has taken me years to learn that. ---
**Author:** ![alpha\_wolf](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alpha_wolf/32/1800_2.png) [@alpha\_wolf](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alpha_wolf)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2007, 6:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-archetypes-of-woman-we-desire/1783/47 "2007-04-24T06:14:03Z")
Thanks 🙂 -AW > [@steveo](#): > > What is my ideal archetype of woman? > > Great question alpha\_wolf (BTW, it’s good to see you back again). I have been reading this thread since you posted it, but really had to sit down and ask myself what it would be for me. > > I’m just uncertain how I would answer this with a single clear-cut answer. I don’t believe, for me anyway, that it is possible. > > It’s a very thought provoking question and for that it is a great contribution to the forum. Thanks for making my brain work. ---
**Author:** ![alpha\_wolf](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alpha_wolf/32/1800_2.png) [@alpha\_wolf](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alpha_wolf)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2007, 6:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-archetypes-of-woman-we-desire/1783/48 "2007-04-24T06:17:04Z")
I spent the larger part of this weekend with this girl. Man guys (and girls) you should’ve seen this girl. Cutest thing I’ve seen in a while. Anyway she works as a nurse fulltime and she takes thai kick boxing as a serious hobby. She’s apparently going into a real fight next week and wants me to go watch (!?) So again, these archetypes are just models. You never know 🙂 Personallly I find women who have multiple “character” traits and a level of unpredictability very attractive in addition to just good looks. As Style said to Jessica Alba, “Everyone comes to Hollywood to make it is beautiful. Other than your looks ,what else do you have going for you?” ---
**Author:** ![SeducerBeast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b487fb/32.png) [@SeducerBeast](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SeducerBeast)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 4:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-archetypes-of-woman-we-desire/1783/49 "2007-04-30T16:07:50Z")
I hate to acknowledge this… But you completely left out a demographic. The hot Black girl, a la Beyonce (Pink Panther, Destiny’s Child,) Halle Berry (Bond Movies, Monster Ball,) and Sanaa Lathan (Love and basketball, Something New, etc) Where’s the love man!🙄 ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 4:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-archetypes-of-woman-we-desire/1783/50 "2007-04-30T16:25:46Z")
> [@](#): > > With a girl on Day 2 or later in the game, a more sexual pheromone may work (I have had girls jump me after seeing me flash game other girls but I wasn’t sure if it was the pheromone or my game working). Yes, but maybe not to wear when you first meet her on the day 2 - for many girls you probably need to re-establish (at least for a few minutes, if not longer) a degree of comfort and that may be a difficult if you are a big scary none monster. I would say it is more solid to keep some Turn Up The Heat to apply later on in the day 2 when you are ready to escalate. > [@](#): > > Lately I have been reading another mPUA’s writings. He notes some very interesting things. Badboy: To lay a girl, you must make her feel the following emotions in order: Comfort (she has to be comfortable around you), Attraction (she feels comfortable and sees you as having attractive straights), Trust (she must trust you to a certain degree, this can be achieved by leading her to a different location), Kino escalation (she must be comfortable to your touch: establish this early on and escalate), and Emotional connection. Oh and a place where she feels comfortable getting naked. That’s 6. 🙂 So if you follow this theory of thought I wonder if something like this would work : Instant Shine, Ammunition, Turn up the Heat, the Honesty one (I forgot the name). I haven’t read the original text, but not sure about the strictness of that ordering. For example it may be easier to generate an initial spike of attraction before comfort comes into play. Re those pheromones - yes I agree. But you need the right note for the right moment in the evening. So fine - start off with Shine and Ammo but in general I wouldn’t touch Honesty or Heat until you are ready to take the interaction in that direction. Somebody really needs to write an e-book on combining pheromone use with game 😉 > [@](#): > > So I don’t have any insights on what pheromones to use to attract certain types of girls. I do believe that the attraction process works the same way in all women of all types, but that getting into her “world” or her “head” requires some research, commitment and cultural sassiness. (Even Bi girls. I hold my reservations for pure lesbians) > > Right now I am trying to get with my goth chick (punk- lite version) so I am wearing more rings and dying my hair and coloring my nails black. 😛 If I was in the marina (SF) I would usually wear a loose tie with cool jeans and a shirt (think Seth Cohen (OC) meets (GQ) so it all really depends. Though, if you think about guy “archetypes”, the “rocker” and “GQ” looks are the most versatile as well so I am not losing out by creating a niche in these girl markets. I really have limited persoal experience getting to know girls from the edgier subcultures. But I find it interesting that Style, for example, would always dress to stand out. “The PUA is the exception to the rule”. So if going to a goth party he would wear a super cool suit (no tie) and if going to more of a corporate thing he would have a slightly edgy aspect. From my experience, and from the ‘literature’ it seems to me that dressing in a way that is congruent with who you are at a deep level and bringing her into your world is more effective than trying to fit in too much with how you think she would like you to dress. That said, you obviously would need to change the way you demonstrate value depending on the context. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 5:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-archetypes-of-woman-we-desire/1783/51 "2007-04-30T17:30:46Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > Yes, but maybe not to wear when you first meet her on the day 2 - for many girls you probably need to re-establish (at least for a few minutes, if not longer) a degree of comfort and that may be a difficult if you are a big scary none monster. I would say it is more solid to keep some Turn Up The Heat to apply later on in the day 2 when you are ready to escalate. Its suprising how the same pheromone mix that worked so well at building initial attraction can cause so much awkwardness and intimidation once you bring the same lady into a more personal setting. I’ve made the mistake of wearing highly aggressive energetic mones in more ‘comfort’ contexts in the past, and it can be a little problematic. It can creates a lot of congruency issues, even if you try to work past it. I’ve found that rather than taking the risk of coming off too aggressively in these settings, its best to leave androstenone completely out. You can create a strong sense of sexual attraction without androstenone much easier than it is to build comfort when you have too much androstenone on. I think sometimes we all get a little to zealous and ambitious with our mixes, building mixes that have TOO much of an impact on people (OD?). For comfort buidling type interactions, I would really try to avoid anything that creates too much awkwardness…a lot of times these situations are already awkward enough as is, if not for you, for the lady. Instead focus on pheromones that keep the mood light, uplifted, and keep the social interaction running. Something to keep you and the lady at ease througout the process. Androstenone definitely causes a lot of awkwardness, but so do overly serious and intimate tones like high doses of betanol (honesty) and A314. Pheromones or not, people may not feel comfortable feeling that way around you right away. The mood really has to be right for people to be receptive to the pheromones you wear, and the pheromones you wear should reflect the mood. I don’t think pheromones themselves should ever be used to set the mood…rather they should be used in a way thats congruent to the mood that you have set. Pheromones are the facilitators, not the initiators. Anyway, Just a few thoughts 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![alpha\_wolf](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alpha_wolf/32/1800_2.png) [@alpha\_wolf](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alpha_wolf)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2007, 4:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-archetypes-of-woman-we-desire/1783/52 "2007-05-02T04:59:12Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > Re those pheromones - yes I agree. But you need the right note for the right moment in the evening. So fine - start off with Shine and Ammo but in general I wouldn’t touch Honesty or Heat until you are ready to take the interaction in that direction. Somebody really needs to write an e-book on combining pheromone use with game 😉 > > That said, you obviously would need to change the way you demonstrate value depending on the context. Agreed. Sometimes its attraction first, and this is a clash in thought. Badboy thinks attraction can’t occur if the girl is not comfortable with your approach/presence. I think the confusion is the word “comfort” and it means when you first approach (i.e. non threatening) and later after she gives you IOIs. Shine tends to work well for me in most situations. ---
**Author:** ![alpha\_wolf](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alpha_wolf/32/1800_2.png) [@alpha\_wolf](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alpha_wolf)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2007, 5:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-archetypes-of-woman-we-desire/1783/53 "2007-05-02T05:01:16Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > Somebody really needs to write an e-book on combining pheromone use with game 😉 Let’s do it. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2007, 4:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-archetypes-of-woman-we-desire/1783/54 "2007-06-18T16:53:45Z")
picking this up again.. when would it be ideal to introduce [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) on a date? 2nd, 3rd ? post-first kiss? [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-archetypes-of-woman-we-desire/1783.md?page=2)