# The Basecoat Approach **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 2, 2007, 4:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-basecoat-approach/4425 "2007-07-02T04:02:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2007, 4:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-basecoat-approach/4425/1 "2007-07-02T04:02:50Z")
**Basecoat mix 1.0** After a number of months of experimentation I am starting to get a grasp on what some of the basic [pheromones](https://a314.com/) do. I find myself using some basic components over and over. However, I may spend several minutes putting on a spray of this and 4 sprays of that, and 3 sprays of the other. I decided to make a basecoat, that I could grab off the shelf and give myself 1 spray, to deliver a base. I can either wear it alone, or add extras in small amounts to tweak it one direction or the other. I’ll mention how I did it, but with the warning that you should only do a mix like this after you’ve had several months to figure out what you really want in your basecoat. Otherwise you may waste a lot of chemicals and a lot of money if you get a mix that doesn’t work for you. I decided to go with a dosage of 10 mcg/spray of each: Alpha androstenol Beta androstenol Androsterone Androstenone Androstadienone P-93 Using an Androtics 30 ml bottle, which I know delivers 200 sprays, the required mass of each component chemical is: 200 sprays x 10 mcg/spray = 2000 mcg = 2 mg This calculation only had to be done once as I was using equal concentrations of all the basics. However, if I wanted to have different concentrations of each component I’d just do the calculation separately for each chemical to figure out how much to add. The components were in their own carriers, so after putting 2 mg of each in the bottle was a good way full. I topped it off with a very nice old fougere to bring the volume to 30 ml, as it needs to be for the per/spray concentration to be correct. You can use whatever cologne or aftershave you favor to top off the bottle, or vodka, or everclear, or perfumer’s alcohol. Which brings me to another point – This technique works as long as the total volume of your component chemicals and carriers does not exceed 30 ml. If you will go over that volume then you can’t use this easy method. This might require obtaining concentrated to-go bottles of the components. Since a 5 ml to-go bottle delivers 40 sprays, a 25 mcg/spray to go bottle has : 25 mcg/spray x 40 sprays = 1000 mcg = 1 mg of total pheromone Similarly a 50 mcg/spray to-go bottle has 2 mg of total pheromone, and a 100 mcg/spray to-go bottle has 4 mg of total pheromone. I tried my basecoat mix out the last couple of days and it works as expected. Went to a very nice and crowded restaurant today with the family. I got a great table outside overlooking the water, in a quiet and private area. While dressed in sandals, t-shirt and shorts, I got a sincere complement on my attire from one of the hosts as I checked in. Most everyone else in this upscale place was dressed in “business casual.” The waitress made a mistake on my drink that I didn’t catch until I ordered the second one. It was no big deal, but she ended up giving me a break on the tab of her own initiative. We had a great time and I think my basecoat mix is working well. ---
**Author:** ![noblelady](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/noblelady/32/2391_2.png) [@noblelady](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/noblelady)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 1:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-basecoat-approach/4425/2 "2007-07-27T13:27:30Z")
> [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](#): > > … While dressed in sandals, t-shirt and shorts, I got a sincere complement on my attire from one of the hosts as I checked in. Most everyone else in this upscale place was dressed in “business casual.” …and I think my basecoat mix is working well. Well done!!🙂 ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 4:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-basecoat-approach/4425/3 "2007-07-27T16:03:26Z")
GWTW, it’s very interesting, I have, let’s say, a basecoat, too and tweak it depending on ocassion. I would like to ask you a question if possible; why p93? how dyou expect it to work there? Complementing what? or with an standalone effect, not complementing anything? Thank you! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 9:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-basecoat-approach/4425/4 "2007-07-27T21:13:37Z")
> [@capone](#): > > GWTW, it’s very interesting, I have, let’s say, a basecoat, too and tweak it depending on ocassion. > > I would like to ask you a question if possible; why p93? how dyou expect it to work there? Complementing what? or with an standalone effect, not complementing anything? > > Thank you! 😉 I put it in for a theoretical reason, but I can’t discuss the details. The mix seems to be working well per my first note, but I haven’t compared it to a similar mix without p93. ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2007, 12:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-basecoat-approach/4425/5 "2007-07-28T00:47:09Z")
I will have to imagine what are you putting it there for… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2007, 4:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-basecoat-approach/4425/6 "2007-10-01T04:19:35Z")
**Basecoat mix 2.0** Well, I’ve gone through most of a 30 ml bottle of this stuff, so it’s time to mix up a new batch. I’ve been using 2 sprays, so I upped the concentrations a bit so I can just use 1 spray. I also decreased the nols a bit, to tone down the friendly vibe. new variant 20 mcg/spray Androsterone Androstenone Androstadienone P-93 5 mcg/spray Alpha androstenol Beta androstenol androstadienol Topped off with sd 39-c alcohol. This gives greater flexibility in mixing with other scents than my previous approach of topping off with a cologne. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2007, 7:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-basecoat-approach/4425/7 "2007-10-01T07:54:48Z")
Actually our approaches are somewhat similar. My standard early morning “base coat” is a couple stripes of Scent of Eros and drips of A314. I always apply to my bare flesh, e.g., back of hands, necks, forearms, etc. Works great for work as is and the oil base lasts nearly all day. Later I tweak with spray pheromones, applied to clothing and hair, depending on the situation. If I’m visiting my ex-wife, I add a couple drops of A-1 or a spray of [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/), maybe a zap of Instant Honesty or chemset alpha Androstenol. Hmm, I have a 30ml bottle of Androstenol too, must be from the unmentionable place. For happy hour or parties with womenfolk, I don NPA or chemset androstenone spiked with A-1, premixed in an atomizer with Burberry Weekend. Easy and quick to apply in the car or bathroom after work. I have another atomizer premixed with Burberry Weekend and chemset alpha Androstenol and Androsterone (4:1), if it looks like heavy socializing. Sometimes I use beta Androstenol instead or mix both beta and alpha. I always have these 2 atomizers in my camera or messenger bag so I’m ready with the basics anytime. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2007, 8:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-basecoat-approach/4425/8 "2007-10-01T08:35:53Z")
Im so glad i found Androtics immediately after Athena. Sprays sound a lot more convenient than you guys slathering on a base coat. Actually the base coat doesnt sound that bad, but the sanding has gotta hurt and i bet that primer stings! Plus im allergic to putty. i mean that just cant be good for your skin. ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2007, 11:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-basecoat-approach/4425/9 "2007-10-01T11:35:12Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > …Actually the base coat doesnt sound that bad, but the sanding has gotta hurt and i bet that primer stings! Plus im allergic to putty. i mean that just cant be good for your skin. Whatta wimp! No pain, no gain. ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2007, 4:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-basecoat-approach/4425/10 "2007-10-21T04:34:44Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > Im so glad i found Androtics immediately after Athena. Sprays sound a lot more convenient than you guys slathering on a base coat. Actually the base coat doesnt sound that bad, but the sanding has gotta hurt and i bet that primer stings! Plus im allergic to putty. i mean that just cant be good for your skin. That depends on if you are using the red primer or grey, and oil or water base can make a dif too. Spray is indeed easier than the brush-on. Sometime a coat of sealant can help. I used to make my own with clear model airplane dope and talc. Some very light sanding between multiple coats works wonders. Never had much luck with filler putty. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2007, 4:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-basecoat-approach/4425/11 "2007-10-21T04:52:50Z")
> [@Rbt](#): > > That depends on if you are using the red primer or grey, and oil or water base can make a dif too. Spray is indeed easier than the brush-on. > > Sometime a coat of sealant can help. I used to make my own with clear model airplane dope and talc. Some very light sanding between multiple coats works wonders. > > Never had much luck with filler putty. I imagine you would need to do very light sanding on some areas, but i bet your butt is as smooth as a babys bottom! ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2007, 12:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-basecoat-approach/4425/12 "2007-10-22T00:09:35Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > I imagine you would need to do very light sanding on some areas, but i bet your butt is as smooth as a babys bottom! That’s where the filler putty came in… Speaking of butts. I got this email recently. Was thinking of posting in the research forum here “but” I’ll post it here instead: ==================== WOMEN’S ASS SIZE STUDY There is a new study about women and how they feel about their asses, the results were pretty interesting: 30% of women think their ass is too fat… 10% of women think their ass is too skinny… The remaining 60% say they don’t care, they love him, he’s a good man, and they wouldn’t trade him for the world. 😮 ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2007, 8:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-basecoat-approach/4425/13 "2007-12-23T20:02:43Z")
**Basecoat Mix 1.1** I’ve been using this stuff on a consistent basis. I’ve gravitated to mix 2.0 for work situations, but for non-work situations I still often use 1.0, which is heavier in nols. This morning I was putting on some of batch 1.0 and the sprayer started sucking air. That means I’ve gone through 30 ml since the first post in this thread. I like it well enough that I’m going to whip up another 30 ml of batch 1 later today. Later---- Since I’ve pretty much settled down on two sprays of mix 1.0 I increased the dosage in this iteration (1.1) to 25 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram)/spray of each: Alpha androstenol Beta androstenol Androsterone Androstenone Androstadienone P-93 It’s [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/)-rich and somewhat expensive but one squirt and I’m ready to go. No added scent this time, so I can vary my cover scent according to mood. This should last twice as long as my last batch of 1.0 at my current rate of consumption of this mix.