# The best mones to pick for guys who want to remain a challenge? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 12, 2013, 12:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001 "2013-09-12T12:00:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![hankypanky2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hankypanky2/32/597_2.png) [@hankypanky2](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hankypanky2)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 7:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001/41 "2013-09-20T07:37:06Z")
wheres my post ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 7:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001/42 "2013-09-20T07:56:45Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > So far I’ve found nothing that beats Steves Evolvexs for me.. I do like IS AMMO and its great for attracting blondes , however, it doesn’t have enough none to make them horny whereas evolve packs 20 mcg none. IS AMMO is polite mans formula.. Evolve is STEALTH man’s formula. Have you ever used 20 mcg raw None? It is still hella potent. Not saying high-none products can’t be effective. Do you understand the molecules in Steve’s line? Isn’t easy to directly copy what I feel are custom-engineered Androtics experimentals. People like Steve can mimic effects but not always exact formulas. Many of XS mimic TAC, [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) and -eNone. The first two provide comfort for females and buffer male aggression. Call him and ask him. It’s the Androstanone/None pair with T A C to make the None simmer and slow-burn. Throw in some P83, TAA, beta nol or P74. It’s ICM man. MX301-304. Not saying he knows exactly what molecules these are. He duplicated effects by personal testing. He boosted ICM with another molecule. If they had done that with MX301, it would have worked better. Both Steve and Androtics are well aware. Which is why I use 75, TAK and “TAX” to steer combos and A314. People buy androstanone elsewhere and cross-test it vs. P75. People _don’t agree totally they match_. Just **similar**. I keep telling you TAC will make women more **relaxed** around you, as will TAK. It calms anxiety. > [@Is ICM the MX301, MX302, MX303, MX304 Test Pack ?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-icm-the-mx301-mx302-mx303-mx304-test-pack/31340/6): > > The MX301-MX304 were originally the recipes below that Steve generously released to the forum. They were eventually consolidated into the MX301-304. The point behind the MX series is for us to test them and give feedback to Androtics as to how we and those around us react. What they are looking for is blind feedback which is why they don’t tell us which MX is which. I’ve made ICM ICM 0.25.1a and 1b which I believe are now MX301 and MX302 but don’t quote me on that. ICM 0.25.05a [TAA](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) 4 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) per … ---
**Author:** ![hankypanky2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hankypanky2/32/597_2.png) [@hankypanky2](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hankypanky2)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 8:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001/43 "2013-09-20T08:16:39Z")
yes i read tac is good during sexual encounters. But it doesn’t get them horny. Steve used this mix on his birthday and he struck lucky, the woman saidd she was horny. The mix is sob, xist and x111 beta. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 8:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001/44 "2013-09-20T08:47:58Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > Have you ever used 20 mcg raw None? It is still hella potent. Not saying high-none products can’t be effective. Do you understand the molecules in Steve’s line? Isn’t easy to directly copy what I feel are custom-engineered Androtics experimentals. People like Steve can mimic effects but not always exact formulas. Many of XS mimic TAC, P75 and -eNone. The first two provide comfort for females and buffer male aggression. Call him and ask him. It’s the Androstanone/None pair with T A C to make the None simmer and slow-burn. Throw in some P83, TAA, beta nol or P74. It’s ICM man. MX301-304. Not saying he knows exactly what molecules these are. He duplicated effects by personal testing. He boosted ICM with another molecule. If they had done that with MX301, it would have worked better. Both Steve and Androtics are well aware. Which is why I use 75, TAK and “TAX” to steer combos and A314. People buy androstanone elsewhere and cross-test it vs. P75. People _don’t agree totally they match_. Just **similar**. I keep telling you TAC will make women more **relaxed** around you, as will TAK. It calms anxiety. > > [Is ICM the MX301, MX302, MX303, MX304 Test Pack ? - #6 by Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-icm-the-mx301-mx302-mx303-mx304-test-pack/31340/6) I’ve tried tac in the past. In fact I own a whole 30 ml bottle of the stuff. I find it makes me too relaxed and laid back. Evolve wakes me up. .Its upbeat… p75 makes me too martial a guy.. too direct.. Evolve starts of social and changes over time into something sexual.. Its stealth. Girls will think its THEIR idea sex is the subject! Sure you could replicater ICM with a lot of products on this board but how many of us really would bother with all that testing, different products etc when you can pick up a bottle of mones made by phermone scientists and not experimental mixes myself that I hope to get right for me, for a nominal price? If its working for you I am very happy. Perhaps if evolvexs doesn’t produce results for me down the road I’ll be making a switch and trying the p75 tac none mix , but even that may be eclipsed by better products going forward.. This phermone game is only now taking off by leaps and bounds… I can’t wait to see what the next 5 years hold.. I just HOPE it doesn’t become mainstream! 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 10:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001/45 "2013-09-20T10:03:49Z")
Not to sound rude, but if Evolve is perfect, what’s the purpose of this thread? Using the 314 spray combinations, I get unsolicited sex offers, text messages, invitations from single friends of female friends. All I try to do is just stay congruent with it. P75 while just alone keeps me driven. I like to throw a curve ball with the signature between 314 and 75. Being mysterious and unpredictable is bedrock. Women like to think they can outsmart and control men. Never met a man or woman yet can even guess half of what I think. They freak when they meet an attractive man that seems just barely out of reach. Then they will flaunt, flirt, display and try everything to prove their charm…and get what they want. I make my own tests because I am a Leader and not a follower. To each his own. I’m into cutting edge. I’m a creative person rather than a mere consumer. Steve may soon become a leader in this industry. He has the business and mones sense. XS has only been in business one year. Let’s see what 2014 brings. He’s benefiting from a better economy. Androtics took a beating the last few years. Not their fault they had to drop [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/), 96 and 86. Competition is good. That means 314 is going to have to compete stay on top, being the costliest oil out there. When you have Google and Apple battling each other, the consumer wins. ---
**Author:** ![GorchFock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/90ced4/32.png) [@GorchFock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GorchFock)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 10:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001/46 "2013-09-20T10:26:21Z")
I’ll just hack the thread because I’m feeling to … p75 😉 What do you guys think of a mix of [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) and A1, do they contradict or complement? MMDI do you use any A1 at all or whats your general opinion about it? I’ve used it to good, sometimes great effect … I felt it really can help creating or amplifying a crushy response in a female. What I’m trying to figure out is how much mcg of it is really effective. Often 50 mcgs and more are discussed, but I wonder if that much won’t wreck any other mones in a combo. Furthermore, can anyone clarify what role, purpose this molecule plays in an evolutionary/mating-context? If someone could offer a figurative explanation (like I tried with p75 above) that would be much appreciated. MMDI, I’m looking in your direction, creative wizard that you are 😉 Have a nice weekend everybody! ---
**Author:** ![SS108](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@SS108](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SS108)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 10:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001/47 "2013-09-20T10:26:46Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > Not to sound rude, but if Evolve is perfect, what’s the purpose of this thread? Using the 314 spray combinations, I get unsolicited sex offers, text messages, invitations from single friends of female friends. All I try to do is just stay congruent with it. P75 while just alone keeps me driven. I like to throw a curve ball with the signature between 314 and 75. Being mysterious and unpredictable is bedrock. Women like to think they can outsmart and control men. Never met a man or woman yet can even guess half of what I think. They freak when they meet an attractive man that seems just barely out of reach. Then they will flaunt, flirt, display and try everything to prove their charm…and get what they want. I make my own tests because I am a Leader and not a follower. To each his own. I’m into cutting edge. I’m a creative person rather than a mere consumer. Steve may soon become a leader in this industry. He has the business and mones sense. XS has only been in business one year. Let’s see what 2014 brings. He’s benefiting from a better economy. Androtics took a beating the last few years. Not their fault they had to drop P93, 96 and 86. Competition is good. That means 314 is going to have to compete stay on top, being the costliest oil out there. When you have Google and Apple battling each other, the consumer wins. Its far from perfect lol. I personally wouldn’t analogize either vendor to Google or Apple, just sayin. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 11:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001/48 "2013-09-20T11:21:24Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > **Steve may soon become a leader in this industry. He has the business and mones sense. XS has only been in business one year. Let’s see what 2014 brings. He’s benefiting from a better economy. Androtics took a beating the last few years. Not their fault they had to drop P93, 96 and 86. Competition is good. That means 314 is going to have to compete stay on top, being the costliest oil out there. When you have Google and Apple battling each other, the consumer wins.** Steve indeed has a huge product range out. AD is going to have to become revolutionary to compete in upcoming years. Products coming out now pack a crap load of mones into them and yet you don’t get OD as easily as products 10 + years old that packed barely any mones in them. A314 is a good product.. used it for many years.. Does its job and whats its meant to do. Great for business, seen as higher DHV and climbing up the corporate ladder. Just don’t think its the best product for dating, (I certainly am no alpha so I’m not going to act out an a314 vibe) and that is what I’m about now. BTW MMDI you speak of verbal proof from women about what they feel.. Well I asked my EX GF when we were together what she thought about Evolvexs (I was wearing 1 drop of the oil) and she said she felt HORNY as HELL and wanted to rip my clothes off.. She said “I would be wet right now if you were to come onto me”.. Her exact words. Evolve got her HEATED sexually and this is not my opinion. It didn’t hurt that I was looking buffed that day and wearing a tshirt. Evolvexs has got me CRAZY hits during daygame (although its billed for nightgame). I have had women interrupt other women who are talking to me just to get a word in at me.. Literally.. I have also had women physically kino me with the oil in a BLATANT way.. One girl was with her mom and was shocked what her mother did to me.. She brushed her WHOLE ARM against my arm starting from my wrist and ending at my bicep. This was in shoppers drug mart of all places. She was pushinga trolly. I looked at the mother after she did this and noticed she had a PLEASANT look on her face.. So it wasn’t rudeness why she brushed me it was HORNINESS! I find evolve oil actually gets women sexually aroused to the point young girls will not resists your advances and older women will physically kino you. This is without testing it on a date. This is just out and beyond.. I can only imagine what continuous exposure would reveal. So p75 isn’t the only one that gets women hot and bothered even in cold approaches! ---
**Author:** ![Staggerlee](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/staggerlee/32/984_2.png) [@Staggerlee](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Staggerlee)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 4:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001/49 "2013-09-20T16:32:26Z")
I own some EvolveXS, I just ordered the ACE oil package. I’ve used it once so far, it was in the evening, right before dinner time. Nothing really happened that night with the wife. The next morning however, while I was sleeping, she got all dazzlingly sexy in some sexy lingerie for a morning romp before work. She told me later that she was really disappointed that she had fallen asleep the night before getting the kids down, that she had wanted to come to bed with me then. So, positive hit on that stuff, for sure. I just did one drop on the wrist, and dabbed it on the other wrist, and then put both wrists to the back of my neck, under my ears. My Evolve is unscented. I couldn’t stand the smell after awhile, and had to apply some cologne. I just ordered some [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) in a 2.5mcg 30ml bottle. I’ll try going two to three sprays of this stuff with some A314 and report back. I’m curious as to MMDI’s mix here, if it’s as simple as that, I’m willing to try that and see what happens. The only difference I can think is that the P75 and A314 I have will be sprays, not oil. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 8:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001/50 "2013-09-20T20:22:25Z")
> [@Staggerlee](#): > > I own some EvolveXS, I just ordered the ACE oil package. I’ve used it once so far, it was in the evening, right before dinner time. Nothing really happened that night with the wife. > > The next morning however, while I was sleeping, she got all dazzlingly sexy in some sexy lingerie for a morning romp before work. She told me later that she was really disappointed that she had fallen asleep the night before getting the kids down, that she had wanted to come to bed with me then. > > So, positive hit on that stuff, for sure. > > I just did one drop on the wrist, and dabbed it on the other wrist, and then put both wrists to the back of my neck, under my ears. My Evolve is unscented. I couldn’t stand the smell after awhile, and had to apply some cologne. > > I just ordered some P75 in a 2.5mcg 30ml bottle. I’ll try going two to three sprays of this stuff with some A314 and report back. I’m curious as to MMDI’s mix here, if it’s as simple as that, I’m willing to try that and see what happens. The only difference I can think is that the P75 and A314 I have will be sprays, not oil. With evolve spray women act horny,with evolve oil women GET horny! Just out of curiosity and I don’t mean to pry but for testers sake, have you noticed an increase in BJ’s from the oil? Especially if applying 1 drop close to your groin! I have heard a lot about this but haven’t experienced it myself as I haven’t taken a woman to bed with the oils on. Any comment on this? Sure try out the p75 a314 vibe. However, Too dominating a signature for a relaxed guy like me. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![hankypanky2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hankypanky2/32/597_2.png) [@hankypanky2](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hankypanky2)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 2:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001/51 "2013-09-21T02:53:52Z")
ok ive had enough of p75 hype and evolve xs. These two threads come to mind. The most talked about phero is nude alpha (+ cohesion xs) and also ascend xs. The Best Standalone Pheromone.. Best all around product ever ---
**Author:** ![hankypanky2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hankypanky2/32/597_2.png) [@hankypanky2](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hankypanky2)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 2:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001/52 "2013-09-21T02:54:20Z")
Best all around product ever ---
**Author:** ![Staggerlee](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/staggerlee/32/984_2.png) [@Staggerlee](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Staggerlee)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 6:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001/53 "2013-09-21T06:37:13Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > With evolve spray women act horny,with evolve oil women GET horny! > > Just out of curiosity and I don’t mean to pry but for testers sake, have you noticed an increase in BJ’s from the oil? Especially if applying 1 drop close to your groin! I have heard a lot about this but haven’t experienced it myself as I haven’t taken a woman to bed with the oils on. Any comment on this? > > Sure try out the p75 a314 vibe. However, Too dominating a signature for a relaxed guy like me. 🙂 I don’t have any of the spray evolve, but the oils certainly seemed to have worked well, if at the end of a very long fuse there is a big ass bomb, I’m happy. I’ll try your suggestion out about the placement of the oil next time… 😃 I’d certainly enjoy more BJ’s! haha My personality is also fairly relaxed, aloof, almost disinterested at times. I am curious as to what this [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) and A314 will do for me. I don’t want to put forth a forceful vibe, either, but I can think of at least a few scenarios where it might benefit me. I’m not one for opening a bunch of sets, so much. I can do it with ease most of the time, but of course I’d rather be opened. I like women who aren’t afraid to talk to me first. It just takes the right frame of mind on my part, and maybe a little phero help. We’ll see, I’ll report in once I have some definitive results. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 12:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001/54 "2013-09-23T12:04:11Z")
I don’t want to give the impression that P75 is a panacea. It has a specific (and somewhat narrow) useful purpose. 1. It is the Brass B\*lls molecule for self effects. Perfect for guys with imperfect approach and closing skills. The shy man’s friend. 2. Totally buffers male aggression from -eNone. 3. Lasts 8 hours and covers the farthest range of nearly any product. 4. Powerful stimulant that controls some of the negative effects of alcohol. Perfect for DJ clubs. Honestly though, in a car, private home or intimate date, I’d go A314. Large open spaces (malls, big clubs) dramatically affect mones’ performance. First time i tested IO was in a mall Bucky Stars. I got nothing. 5. Haven’t tested A1. In do time. In do time. 6. P75 + P74 is a viable crushy combo. 7. Some of these mones may be isolated from saliva, urine…even blood. Steve uses DHEA S, found in **female urine**. So, if 75 is not a skin phero, its use has a shocking and powerful affect in a spray. That’s the evolutionary biology context. DHEA is a natural steroid metabolite “waste product.” Sulfation makes it water soluble. You pee it out. Nature’s perfect chem lab. Video from an _actual_ scientist: [How Pheromones Work in Human Courtship - YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTtcyr898rY) ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 1:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001/55 "2013-09-23T13:27:42Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > I don’t want to give the impression that P75 is a panacea. It has a specific (and somewhat narrow) useful purpose. > > 1. It is the Brass B\*lls molecule for self effects. Perfect for guys with imperfect approach and closing skills. The shy man’s friend. > > 2. Totally buffers male aggression from -eNone. > > 3. Lasts 8 hours and covers the farthest range of nearly any product. > > 4. Powerful stimulant that controls some of the negative effects of alcohol. Perfect for DJ clubs. Honestly though, in a car, private home or intimate date, I’d go A314. Large open spaces (malls, big clubs) dramatically affect mones’ performance. First time i tested IO was in a mall Bucky Stars. I got nothing. > > 5. Haven’t tested A1. In do time. In do time. > > 6. P75 + P74 is a viable crushy combo. > > 7. Some of these mones may be isolated from saliva, urine…even blood. Steve uses DHEA S, found in **female urine**. So, if 75 is not a skin phero, its use has a shocking and powerful affect in a spray. That’s the evolutionary biology context. DHEA is a natural steroid metabolite “waste product.” Sulfation makes it water soluble. You pee it out. Nature’s perfect chem lab. Video from an _actual_ scientist: [How Pheromones Work in Human Courtship - YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTtcyr898rY) I’ve decided I’m going to make myself a pocket guide for all the pheromones in my collections. On each page will be at least one or two quotes from monesmadedoit… ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 4:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001/56 "2013-09-23T16:29:07Z")
> [@sharkndragon](#): > > I’ve decided I’m going to make myself a pocket guide for all the pheromones in my collections. On each page will be at least one or two quotes from monesmadedoit… Here’s another. No extra charge. 😃 People often overlook the fact that putatives (and even perhaps the molecules listed in the ExperiMone section aren’t promised to be stuff naturally on the skin. I can’t remember if DHEA S is on the skin. -eNone is on the skin. As I recall, it’s poorly soluble in water. The purpose of sulfation is to take the DHEA and make it soluble in urine. The same would be true of saliva. Imagine if [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) does not occur on the skin naturally at all. How would people react if they smell a mone that came from saliva or urine. If the brain has receptors, it would react. But it would be freaky, alien stuff. The brain has opiate receptors. It will react to the opium poppy. But something like an opioid oxycodone hits the same receptors but never existed until man made it. P75 is like LSD, hella potent at just micrograms. So, apparently, we’ve evolved to respond to women’s pee. Note that sulfates are very heavy and highly electronegative molecules. I’ve never been crystal clear what impact that has on mixes. However, DHEAS is heavier than androstenone. Oxygen is a way bigger atom than hydrogen. More electrons. More charges. Look at the pics and see if you don’t think the little hydrogens in alpha nol, for example, get tugged quite a bit by the much bigger Oxygen. Fat chance finding any science discussion about that online! > **[File:Sulfato de dehidroepiandrosterona3D.png](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sulfato_de_dehidroepiandrosterona3D.png)** > > http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/deed.enCC0Creative Commons Zero, Public Domain Dedicationfalsefalse > Click on a date/time to view the file as it appeared at that time. > You cannot overwrite this file. The following page uses this file: > **[File:3D model hydrogen bonds in water.svg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:3D_model_hydrogen_bonds_in_water.svg)** > > Click on a date/time to view the file as it appeared at that time. > You cannot overwrite this file. The following 7 pages use this file: > The following other wikis use this file: > [@P74: who has tried the 5mg/spray dose?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74/197/8): > > They’re newer than new and more beta than beta. In the world of pheromones, they’re suspects. When looking for new pheromones, we look for clues like: Structure Human like odor Position in the metabolic chain (end chain is more likely to be a pheromone; many pheromones are akin to hormonal waste to go on to serve a new life as a pheromone once excreted) Prescence in axillary hair (underarm and pubic), skin, urine and/or saliva (all likely areas to emit pheromones) All putatives have indicat… ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 12:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001/57 "2013-09-26T00:15:00Z")
> [@Staggerlee](#): > > I don’t want to put forth **a forceful vibe** , either, but I can think of at least a few scenarios where it might benefit me. **I’m not one for opening a bunch of sets** , so much. I can do it with ease most of the time, but of course **I’d rather be opened**. I like women who **aren’t afraid to talk to me first**. It just takes the right frame of mind on my part, and maybe a little phero help. > > We’ll see, I’ll report in once I have some definitive results. Forget p75 and a314.. they are leadership products with you taking the lead.. if you’re like me and need a woman to glance at you with a seductive look or a warm smile before you open her you need something that will arouse her without intimidation.. For women 16-40 I have found nothing better than evolvexs. I have over 20 mones in my collection and this is simply the best one. The oil is better than the spray but diffuses slowly and with less range. AD also makes some good products.. IS AMMO is a great one .. Women, especially blondes with give you all kinds of IOIS. Smiles, looks, etc.. It sometimes crazy how much IOIS I get i think I’m a magnet.. However, to me it leads to a more whose that cool guy vibe, not I want to rip his clothes off vibe like evolvexs. ---
**Author:** ![Staggerlee](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/staggerlee/32/984_2.png) [@Staggerlee](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Staggerlee)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 6:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001/58 "2013-09-26T06:32:42Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > Forget p75 and a314.. they are leadership products with you taking the lead.. if you’re like me and need a woman to glance at you with a seductive look or a warm smile before you open her you need something that will arouse her without intimidation.. For women 16-40 I have found nothing better than evolvexs. I have over 20 mones in my collection and this is simply the best one. The oil is better than the spray but diffuses slowly and with less range. > > AD also makes some good products.. IS AMMO is a great one .. Women, especially blondes with give you all kinds of IOIS. Smiles, looks, etc.. It sometimes crazy how much IOIS I get i think I’m a magnet.. However, to me it leads to a more whose that cool guy vibe, not I want to rip his clothes off vibe like evolvexs. I have the Evolve XS oil as well, and I like it a lot. You’re right, it is very effective, especially at close range. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 7:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001/59 "2013-09-26T07:02:15Z")
> [@Staggerlee](#): > > I have the Evolve XS oil as well, and I like it a lot. You’re right, it is very effective, especially at close range. Steve uses A1 and EST in his formulas, EST specifically in Evolve. Other than patents, I don’t recall myriad reasons Androtics demurred from EST. A1:risky bet for anyone under a doctor’s care for mental health. Advanced users can create something similar to Evolve with Androtics putatives. Need some [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) and TAC or TAK for comfort effect. Steve has consumer blends because he spent a decade testing molecules. I’m not at his skill, but I learn. I posted a test mix in my journal. Best damned social I’ve ever tested, bar none, incl. IO, IH and P74 combos with P75 and A314. After two years, I learned to make a super tricked out IH that debugged the gay friendbox box vibe of 74 and silly of alpha nol. With 314, it slays females. I have the 314 oil and TUTH now, along with a few mL of the secret elixir, to be used when ordinary measures fail. HatTip to Tisha23 and Wildflower…I jacked the formula for _Gentleman Babe Slayer_ from them. 😃 314 oil + Babe Slayer = fallout. As close to truth serum as I have skill to make. Purpose: ease the process of women showing their “poker hand” or true romantic intentions. When successful, time to back off socials and test sexual tension with some TUTH or androstenone. Also compliments my Napoleonic God complex. 😃 > [@Instant Female Magic and Gay men](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-female-magic-and-gay-men/28874): > > Alright, I was just curious, does [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) work on gay men? It may sound strange, but tests have shown gay men can react similarly to pheros as women. Any thoughts? Thanks, Dominick I seriously recommend people read that whole thread and this post. The whole mones industry…with patents and cost, skill and expense needed for quality, reference grade molecules…not well understood by phero users. ---
**Author:** ![Staggerlee](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/staggerlee/32/984_2.png) [@Staggerlee](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Staggerlee)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 9:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001/60 "2013-09-26T09:52:25Z")
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