# The best mones to pick for guys who want to remain a challenge?

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**Created:** [September 12, 2013, 12:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001 "2013-09-12T12:00:16Z")\
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**Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 7:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-mones-to-pick-for-guys-who-want-to-remain-a-challenge/60001/59 "2013-09-26T07:02:15Z")

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> [@Staggerlee](#):
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> I have the Evolve XS oil as well, and I like it a lot. You’re right, it is very effective, especially at close range.

Steve uses A1 and EST in his formulas, EST specifically in Evolve. Other than patents, I don’t recall myriad reasons Androtics demurred from EST. A1:risky bet for anyone under a doctor’s care for mental health. Advanced users can create something similar to Evolve with Androtics putatives. Need some [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) and TAC or TAK for comfort effect. Steve has consumer blends because he spent a decade testing molecules. I’m not at his skill, but I learn. I posted a test mix in my journal. Best damned social I’ve ever tested, bar none, incl. IO, IH and P74 combos with P75 and A314. After two years, I learned to make a super tricked out IH that debugged the gay friendbox box vibe of 74 and silly of alpha nol. With 314, it slays females. I have the 314 oil and TUTH now, along with a few mL of the secret elixir, to be used when ordinary measures fail. HatTip to Tisha23 and Wildflower…I jacked the formula for _Gentleman Babe Slayer_ from them. 😃 314 oil + Babe Slayer = fallout. As close to truth serum as I have skill to make. Purpose: ease the process of women showing their “poker hand” or true romantic intentions. When successful, time to back off socials and test sexual tension with some TUTH or androstenone. Also compliments my Napoleonic God complex. 😃

> [@Instant Female Magic and Gay men](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-female-magic-and-gay-men/28874):
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> Alright, I was just curious, does [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) work on gay men? It may sound strange, but tests have shown gay men can react similarly to pheros as women. Any thoughts? Thanks, Dominick

I seriously recommend people read that whole thread and this post. The whole mones industry…with patents and cost, skill and expense needed for quality, reference grade molecules…not well understood by phero users.

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