# The Best Seduction {PUA} Method and why? **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [December 19, 2007, 11:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-seduction-pua-method-and-why/7596 "2007-12-19T23:07:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2007, 11:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-seduction-pua-method-and-why/7596/1 "2007-12-19T23:07:38Z")
I always see threads about Mystery and such so it inspired me to ask you guys for your opinion: What method do you find to be the best? What methods have you tried? Why? ---
**Author:** ![chadwick](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/chadwick/32/2129_2.png) [@chadwick](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chadwick)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2007, 6:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-seduction-pua-method-and-why/7596/2 "2007-12-20T06:02:53Z")
I have watched the d’angelo dvd’s with him and many other’s and all i can say is he is a natural story teller/habitual liar…who goes over the top in whatever he wears or says. he has the gift of gab/says all the right things… but behind the scenes once he has a relationship he is lost. basically he is a magician in the art of seperating himself from the average joe. his brain is wired for attention, he is a rollercoaster of emotion to his best friends. he is one of the original players. either love him or hate him type of deal. as a man i think he looks goofy outside of his setting. he is always running the numbers in his head, one step ahead regardless of the outcome. great post, others will feel different than me. ---
**Author:** ![chadwick](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/chadwick/32/2129_2.png) [@chadwick](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chadwick)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2007, 6:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-seduction-pua-method-and-why/7596/3 "2007-12-20T06:04:17Z")
doing what he does sober is the trick/problem… ---
**Author:** ![Magister](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/magister/32/1589_2.png) [@Magister](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Magister)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2007, 9:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-seduction-pua-method-and-why/7596/4 "2007-12-20T09:37:45Z")
Hello boys! The best seduction method does not exist.The best pick up lines don’t exist too. Why: All self-proclaimed PUAs writing books,articles and providing different boot camps are the biggest failer in society. All what they state can not be considered as recipe or remedy. The best pick up lines and seduction methods those ones created only by you,not borrowed from somebody else and it’s all depends on situation There is no universal method working good in every situation with any girl. Use your fantasy and imagination. Magister P.S. Patience my friend and the force will be with you 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2007, 9:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-seduction-pua-method-and-why/7596/5 "2007-12-20T09:58:59Z")
My method is the best. I have learnt to do what comes natural to me.. 😃 That’s my method. Of course the hypnosis subliminal recordings help too. ---
**Author:** ![Visionary7903](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/45deac/32.png) [@Visionary7903](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Visionary7903)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2007, 11:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-seduction-pua-method-and-why/7596/6 "2007-12-20T11:59:55Z")
The way I am approaching it is trying to fix myself up first as well as trying these ‘techniques’. What good are seduction techniques if you don’t have all the basics sorted out-you want to be congruent in the long term after all. So if you have temper problems, if you have ADD, if you have a mean streak, if you are depressed, if you have anger issues, if you have weird mood shifts, if you are antisocial, if you are too uptight and anxious, if you are paranoid, if you have been repressed sexually in the past, if you have sleeping issues/allergies impacting on the way you behave, if you never have money or a decent job, if you are very skinny or excessively overweight, if your teeth are unattractive and you have bad breath, if you are very vain, if you have friends that are making you feel down, if you are a weird socially and don’t have much common with the hotties you are trying to get, **sort those problems out first the best you can - preferably going to the root of the matter**! Comprehensive blood/urine testing of everything from hormones to vitamins, sleep studies, medication, supplements, proper therapy, health professionals advice, self-help books, hypnosis, subliminal tapes, meditation, exercise, reading about your symptoms and what could be causing them, analysing your behaviours, self-understanding, studying, hard work, etc. Of course don’t become a hypochondiac or anything but address what your problems really are! Then I think the correct strategy is to try these attraction methods: Mystery, Double your Dating, etc. And eventually you find the method that fits in with your personality and way of doing things and works for you. And the point is you eventually don’t bother with ‘made up routines’ but you just become a ‘sexier version of yourself’ not someone completely different - because you can’t keep playing a role your whole life after all 😛. I find it hard enough to play a role for 20 minutes actually lol… **Having said that I’ve found David DeAngelo’s work somewhat useful but have a hard time remembering much of what he talks/writes about all the time so I really only partially follow his techniques in my own unique ‘cocky and funny’ way. Yea I know what you are thinking Visionary doing ‘Cocky and funny?😛’ but hey with Shine and Alpha-Nol (and P74), it works quite well for me 🙂 . I like the way that this idea is such a simple way to create ‘sexual tension’.** But for me at the moment being in my late 20s, as I suspect for a lot of people, the most important thing in the long-term is to sort out my own major problems and **between mostly sorting out these problems (they will never totally be sorted out for any person - noone is perfect after all) and using artificial [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/), I will be in a rock solid position to make these seduction programs work beautifully for me and won’t need to put up an ‘act’ for the rest of my life either to get desirable women.** I just see that too many younger guys out there are looking for shortcuts in artificial pheromones combined with seduction techniques and neglecting their core issues which will cause them problems for the rest of their lives. -Visionary ---
**Author:** ![boss141](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bbce88/32.png) [@boss141](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/boss141)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2007, 12:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-seduction-pua-method-and-why/7596/7 "2007-12-20T12:10:20Z")
I have tried Mystery’s method and some of DeAngelo;s and i like them both. Mystery’s is my favorite overall, only because it always someone to create a character. Basically with this method I feel like I could be 3-4 different people in a club or party at the same time, and each time gives me more social proof making it easier to jump to the next set…even if they are like 3 feet away. DeAngelo (so far that ive read and used) is good for figuring things out and keeping me on top of my game. Also DeAngelo’s “comfort” stage i think is very successfull but Mystery’s, personal, is much more fun from my point. My own natural approach head on method works pretty nice too but I wanted something different, life’s too short to stay narrow minded. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 3:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-seduction-pua-method-and-why/7596/8 "2007-12-21T03:13:23Z")
“Before I started Zen a rock was just a rock. After I started Zen a rock was no longer a rock. Now, with Zen a rock is again a rock.” ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 3:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-seduction-pua-method-and-why/7596/9 "2007-12-21T03:35:33Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > “Before I started Zen a rock was just a rock. After I started Zen a rock was no longer a rock. Now, with Zen a rock is again a rock.” For that I’ll spread some rep around so I can rep you again. Perfect koan, perfect moment, perfect koan doesn’t exist, all being. ---
**Author:** ![boss141](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bbce88/32.png) [@boss141](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/boss141)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 4:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-seduction-pua-method-and-why/7596/10 "2007-12-21T04:26:09Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > “Before I started Zen a rock was just a rock. After I started Zen a rock was no longer a rock. Now, with Zen a rock is again a rock.” Whats Zen? ---
**Author:** ![NancysBoy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/nancysboy/32/391_2.png) [@NancysBoy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NancysBoy)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 4:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-seduction-pua-method-and-why/7596/11 "2007-12-21T04:38:35Z")
zen rocks ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 6:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-seduction-pua-method-and-why/7596/12 "2007-12-21T06:15:53Z")
I’d have to also say that there is no ‘best’ method. I find that a mix between the MM and some others AND MISC ACTIONS THAT YOU SUBCONSCIOUSLY LEARN TO DO BASED ON YOUR REGION AND THE TYPE OF PEOPLE AROUND YOU is best. I find that Mystery’s “NEG ALL THE HOT CHICKS” idea works, but not with all hot chicks. You have to learn to tell what kind of people your targets are. Otherwise is the girl is hot, but has personal issues/ insecurity issues/ hasn’t been socialized yet, you just screwed your chances with her cause she will never forgive you for being an ass. From other sources: Social proofing methods/attention getters/attraction methods/ect, are all different and all work, but not on the same woman. Too tired to finish post. . . ---
**Author:** ![mindset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@mindset](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mindset)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2007, 10:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-seduction-pua-method-and-why/7596/13 "2007-12-23T10:53:05Z")
> [@Visionary7903](#): > > The way I am approaching it is trying to fix myself up first as well as trying these ‘techniques’. What good are seduction techniques if you don’t have all the basics sorted out-you want to be congruent in the long term after all. So if you have temper problems, if you have ADD, if you have a mean streak, if you are depressed, if you have anger issues, if you have weird mood shifts, if you are antisocial, if you are too uptight and anxious, if you are paranoid, if you have been repressed sexually in the past, if you have sleeping issues/allergies impacting on the way you behave, if you never have money or a decent job, if you are very skinny or excessively overweight, if your teeth are unattractive and you have bad breath, if you are very vain, if you have friends that are making you feel down, if you are a weird socially and don’t have much common with the hotties you are trying to get, **sort those problems out first the best you can - preferably going to the root of the matter**! Comprehensive blood/urine testing of everything from hormones to vitamins, sleep studies, medication, supplements, proper therapy, health professionals advice, self-help books, hypnosis, subliminal tapes, meditation, exercise, reading about your symptoms and what could be causing them, analysing your behaviours, self-understanding, studying, hard work, etc. Of course don’t become a hypochondiac or anything but address what your problems really are! > > Then I think the correct strategy is to try these attraction methods: Mystery, Double your Dating, etc. And eventually you find the method that fits in with your personality and way of doing things and works for you. And the point is you eventually don’t bother with ‘made up routines’ but you just become a ‘sexier version of yourself’ not someone completely different - because you can’t keep playing a role your whole life after all 😛. I find it hard enough to play a role for 20 minutes actually lol… > > **Having said that I’ve found David DeAngelo’s work somewhat useful but have a hard time remembering much of what he talks/writes about all the time so I really only partially follow his techniques in my own unique ‘cocky and funny’ way. Yea I know what you are thinking Visionary doing ‘Cocky and funny?😛’ but hey with Shine and Alpha Androstenol (and P74), it works quite well for me 🙂 . I like the way that this idea is such a simple way to create ‘sexual tension’.** > > But for me at the moment being in my late 20s, as I suspect for a lot of people, the most important thing in the long-term is to sort out my own major problems and **between mostly sorting out these problems (they will never totally be sorted out for any person - noone is perfect after all) and using artificial pheromones, I will be in a rock solid position to make these seduction programs work beautifully for me and won’t need to put up an ‘act’ for the rest of my life either to get desirable women.** > > I just see that too many younger guys out there are looking for shortcuts in artificial pheromones combined with seduction techniques and neglecting their core issues which will cause them problems for the rest of their lives. > > -Visionary FUCKING Aye. To sort out your inner-game, I suggest trying a variety of sorts, such as: Byron Katies, The Work; EFT/TAT; Sedona Method; The Linden Method; DYD Deep Inner Game or Dr. Paul MindOS ebook (same thing); Anthony Robbins for motivation; Paul Mckenna for Hypnosis/ Anything by Richard Bandler, of course; Brian Tracy’s - The Psychology of Achievement (anything by Tracy, but especially this program). I would go in depth, but Visionary fucking nailed it word-for-word. Get your shit together so you can take women on an adventure. Stop learning magic tricks and handwriting analysis, unless these are GENUINE interests. Fuck Speed Seduction… why!? Why do you want in on the “Dark Side”? Don’t play with fire. Use NLP to improve yourself. Get your shit together and life, along with women will come along quite easier. And do yourself a favor…don’t buy any of this shit! Use your creativity and you’ll find an oasis of information at your disposal. 😉 Btw, Mode One…if that doesn’t count, then David X; Gunwitch; or, Brent, if you find his method practical. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 8:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-seduction-pua-method-and-why/7596/14 "2007-12-27T20:33:47Z")
Yes Zen is the true master of PUA. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 8:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-seduction-pua-method-and-why/7596/15 "2007-12-27T20:45:52Z")
I have to also add that currently I am really vibing with Lance Mason and the boys over at PickUp 101 and am trying to coordinate a bootcamp for myself. There stuff is right on my level. Where TMM was great as well as DeAngelo now I really connect with RSD and PickUp101 but Zen is a paradigm shift in itself. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 8:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-seduction-pua-method-and-why/7596/16 "2007-12-27T20:46:31Z")
If anyone has taken a bootcamp I would like to hear some reviews. ---
**Author:** ![skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/71e660/32.png) [@skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/skywalker)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 6:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-best-seduction-pua-method-and-why/7596/17 "2007-12-28T18:00:44Z")
any one know where one can get hold of material from Zen?