# The Blood Type / Pheromone Connection? **URL:** \ **Category:** Pheromone Theory & Molecules\ **Created:** [September 14, 2005, 9:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-blood-type-pheromone-connection/16 "2005-09-14T21:03:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2011, 5:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-blood-type-pheromone-connection/16/41 "2011-03-29T17:23:37Z")
> [@fallenangel05](#): > > 1Alpha, don’t you wish we could have our pheromone production measured? I sure would, I’m curious to see what mine would be. I’m glad I’m an O because I love steak and could never give it up. I see that pork seems to be one of the meats I can’t have though, too bad since I love bacon. Actually reading the link that xenophile put up is kinda depressing me since i’m seeing my diet may change a lot, haha. but at least i still have beef. We already know what body chemistry is needed to product what pheromones (except the putatives, remember - those ‘act’ like pheromones but may or may not be pheromones themselves) So if you had your sweat analyzed/blood tested for hormones/etc. then you could get a good idea of what you put off. ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 11:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-blood-type-pheromone-connection/16/42 "2011-04-07T11:17:13Z")
> [@Aurelie](#): > > Well I’m female and O+ (I know for sure). > > This is very intriguing. I never read the bloodtype or bodytype link diet books. I lost all my weight (and kept it off) by banning certain foods (refined white carbs + anything fried + anything sugary + anything too fatty) and by increasing the daily amount of calories burnt. Cardio and strength training 3 to 6 times a week depending on my work load. > > So I’m keenly interested in this new idea. > > So if O’s emit alot of none naturally, would that be your explanation for the fact that I do not seem to be able to wear none without negative side-effects? Or would it be a function of the recipient/target? > > LOL I feel like I have a private consultation with an expert here. 😛 Until more folks join the group. The book is called Eating For Your Type and is old enough to make multiple, regular appearances in thrift stores. I loved this concept and it clarified LOTS of things for me, personally. I found it to be an accurate description of my best eating pattern. I have a bunch of weird food intolerances and a couple of odd allergies - for example, I’m allergic to aloe vera ☹. I actually didn’t like steak as a kid, and my blood type (A+) doesn’t process beef well and is the only one to benefit from caffeine! Yay. Just an example. ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 11:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-blood-type-pheromone-connection/16/43 "2011-04-07T11:35:57Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > Dr. D’Adamo has great success applying this simple genetic tool to diet. If you read about the blood type diet online, you’ll be amazed at how “non-faddish” this fad-type diet really is. > > While it may not exist in it’s current form years from now, I think it’s really the start of something new. (and handy!) > > As far as applying it to pheromones… Think of it as a way to classify race/pheromone connection, without mentioning race. > > It also sorts race distinctions more finely. > > Our own Jasmin, for instance, has quite a bit of Asian blood, but she’s not blood type A, as you might expect. She’s an O. > > She also reacts differently than you’d expect an Asian to react. Heck, she even ACTs, nevermind re-ACTS, differently than you’d expect an Asian to react. > > In fact, she seems much more like other Os I’ve met of ANY race. > > If I’m to sort and classify (a nice way to say “pigeonhole”) her behaviors in any manner, O is much more accurate in her case than simply “Asian” or “half-Asian”. > > Just another handy tool… I’m not saying it’ll be perfect. It isn’t, and it won’t ever be. The ABO blood type system itself isn’t the most accurate tool in the universe. > > However, it’s really easy and cheap to find out your blood type, and many people already know what it is. So I think adding this to our toolchest of diagnostic tools will really help determine what will work best for whom. Or what will work best to achieve a certain social effect with whomever. Given the weaknesses of the ABO system, what about Rhesus factors? It’s gotta have an impact, since A+ can’t donate to A-. Maybe that would be an intensity factor? And possibly a reverse result? Like maybe the +'s max out earlier? As in less is more for the positive’s? Possible? Maybe this is one of the things that may be clearer with a large cross-section of data. ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 11:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-blood-type-pheromone-connection/16/44 "2011-04-07T11:55:33Z")
> [@Xenophile](#): > > I had a copy of the Blood Type Diet book, and after reading what a Caucasian B is supposed to and not supposed to eat, I gave it away. 🙄 I couldn’t see myself sticking to a diet for very long that forbade so many of my favorite foods and recommended so many that I don’t care for. I should eat … Beef? Lamb? Uh-uh. Sorry, I generally avoid red meats. Liver??? 😮 Ewwwww … disgusting! > > The fact that I was allowed to have chocolate just didn’t make up for the loss of most of my favorite seafoods! I was living in Louisiana, and if I couldn’t have shrimp or oysters, what the hell was I supposed to put on a poboy? Beef? Don’t want any. Wait, I am allowed catfish; hallelujah. No crab or clams? Not to mention I couldn’t have tomatoes either. Awwwwww, fuggeddaboutit. > > Everybody knows people don’t stick to diets if they don’t like what they’re instructed to eat. 🆒 I will put in a good word for the South Beach Diet book, though; it basically all-but cuts out carbs for 2 weeks, then restricts them to a sensibly low proportion of the diet. It reduced my sugar cravings to nothing in a week! And I do very well on a high-protein, low-carb diet. > > I went off it 'cos I like to drink a little more wine than it allows, though … heh. > > Anyway, all that aside, as I experiment with all the lovely stuff I just bought, I will include notes on this thread just in case my essential B-ness (if there is any such thing!) is involved in my experiences. > > – Xenie What I did was to take the lists, and just start observing how many things in a day/week I ate that were on the non-beneficial list. Then I just started not eating that last bite of that food. As your body readjusts, you find that that your taste buds readjust. However, there are a bunch of things on my beneficial and optimum lists that I’m severely intolerant to. I’m egg albumen (white) intolerant! Never liked eggs as a kid; and the only way I would eat them was if they were boiled for 20 minutes - that way I was sure that stuff was cooked. Eeeewww. Turns out, that all the things that made me cry to have to eat when I was a kid - I’m intolerant to. Leaving me with a taste for a bunch of things I now miss, and seriously couldn’t stomach as a kid.😠 ---
**Author:** ![xev](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xev/32/1993_2.png) [@xev](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xev)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 12:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-blood-type-pheromone-connection/16/45 "2011-04-07T12:01:07Z")
Folks, if you want to believe in this eating for your blood type stuff, that’s great – it’s a free country and all. But please don’t believe it is at all scientific. [blood type dietThe Skeptic’s Dictionary - Skepdic.com](http://www.skepdic.com/bloodtypediet.html) ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 12:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-blood-type-pheromone-connection/16/46 "2011-04-07T12:01:38Z")
> [@Carrie](#): > > On Dr. D’Adamo’s website, you can look up individual foods and see who’s supposed to eat them or not. Unfortunately you can’t simply look up your type and see your good-to-go list (course not, that would be useful!): > > [TYPEbase4: Blood Type Diet Food Values](http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/typeindexer.htm) Those lists are in the original book: Eating for your Type. At least, that’s the title it was published under in Oz. I ended up giving the book away and just keeping a photocopy of the lists - in the kitchen. Made it real easy. Plus at the time, my 2 closest friends were the same blood type as me 😃 Made for some feel smugly good about ourselves time. ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 12:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-blood-type-pheromone-connection/16/47 "2011-04-07T12:10:20Z")
> [@xev](#): > > Folks, if you want to believe in this eating for your blood type stuff, that’s great – it’s a free country and all. But please don’t believe it is at all scientific. > > [blood type dietThe Skeptic’s Dictionary - Skepdic.com](http://www.skepdic.com/bloodtypediet.html) And I’ll defend your right to say so, but please, take note of _where_ we’re discussing this. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![xev](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xev/32/1993_2.png) [@xev](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xev)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 12:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-blood-type-pheromone-connection/16/48 "2011-04-07T12:25:00Z")
> [@Astrea](#): > > And I’ll defend your right to say so, but please, take note of _where_ we’re discussing this. 😃 Well, we are in the “Pheromone Theory” forum. To me, this is the place to discuss science-based ideas. That is why I cringe to see this here. I’d probably cringe less if it were in the lounge. ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 12:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-blood-type-pheromone-connection/16/49 "2011-04-07T12:34:23Z")
> [@xev](#): > > Well, we are in the “Pheromone Theory” forum. To me, this is the place to discuss science-based ideas. That is why I cringe to see this here. I’d probably cringe less if it were in the lounge. Remembering that not so long ago, Pheromones were not considered to be in any way scientifically measurable or proven to actually impact human behavior. This is a (comparatively) new concession from the scientific community. Every new discovery is hokum in the beginning. There is still a flat earth society. ---
**Author:** ![xev](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xev/32/1993_2.png) [@xev](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xev)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-blood-type-pheromone-connection/16/50 "2011-04-07T16:20:45Z")
> [@Astrea](#): > > Remembering that not so long ago, Pheromones were not considered to be in any way scientifically measurable or proven to actually impact human behavior. This is a (comparatively) new concession from the scientific community. Every new discovery is hokum in the beginning. There is still a flat earth society. Astrea, that is not really true about pheromones and I think you have some misconceptions about how science works. [Human pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) have been long suspected, and scientific studies, such as McClintock’s work in the 70’s, have at least suggested, if not definitively proven, their existence; these go back a number of decades, at least to the 60’s or so. The concept that human **might** have pheromones was never exactly hokum, though biologists who were overly confident of the concept without sufficient data to support the strength of their convictions would probably be called out on it. In contrast, there is no scientific grounds at all for the blood group diets, certainly there is no scientific basis at all for making explicit, detailed recommendations that certain people eat certain foods because of their ABO blood type. Also, the evolutionary history of ABO alleles as presented by the proponent of blood type diets has been proven wrong by very strong molecular evidence that is widely accepted in the scientific community. Scientists and scientific studies can be wrong, but real science has mechanisms for correcting wrong ideas and mistakes. However, the ABO blood type diet author has all the hallmarks of pseudoscience – he mentions “science” alot, but there are no scientific studies that specifically address all the claims he makes. He cites sources that look scientific, but close examination reveals they are either irrelevant to his central claims or they are not really scholarly sources. I doubt he’s open to falsification of his pet ideas. He selectively ignores all evidence that doesn’t support, or that falsifies his claims. I’m not sure how the Flat Earth Society adds to your argument. If any it strengthens mine because it shows how readily people will wallow in ignorant, irrational ideas, even in the face of insurmountable evidence that conflicts with those ideas, just because the ideas appeal to them. edited to add: also, RE “discoveries” starting out as hokum. You are right that new knowledge is sometimes slow to be accepted; that is one of the self-correcting mechanisms in scientific methodology. Not only that, but the more revolutionary the idea, the stronger the data supporting the idea need to be, in order to gain acceptance. But – and here is the important part – Scientific discoveries are outcomes of **scientific studies**. The ABO diet guy did not plan experiments/studies, implement them, draw conclusions, and then write a book about it. He just wrote a book about it. He skipped the “research” part. That is not a “discovery” in the scientific sense. That is just a quack selling books. ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 8:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-blood-type-pheromone-connection/16/51 "2011-04-07T20:37:11Z")
> [@xev](#): > > Astrea, that is not really true about pheromones and I think you have some misconceptions about how science works. > > Human pheromones have been long suspected, and scientific studies, such as McClintock’s work in the 70’s, have at least suggested, if not definitively proven, their existence; these go back a number of decades, at least to the 60’s or so. The concept that human **might** have pheromones was never exactly hokum, though biologists who were overly confident of the concept without sufficient data to support the strength of their convictions would probably be called out on it. > > In contrast, there is no scientific grounds at all for the blood group diets, certainly there is no scientific basis at all for making explicit, detailed recommendations that certain people eat certain foods because of their ABO blood type. Also, the evolutionary history of ABO alleles as presented by the proponent of blood type diets has been proven wrong by very strong molecular evidence that is widely accepted in the scientific community. > > Scientists and scientific studies can be wrong, but real science has mechanisms for correcting wrong ideas and mistakes. However, the ABO blood type diet author has all the hallmarks of pseudoscience – he mentions “science” alot, but there are no scientific studies that specifically address all the claims he makes. He cites sources that look scientific, but close examination reveals they are either irrelevant to his central claims or they are not really scholarly sources. I doubt he’s open to falsification of his pet ideas. He selectively ignores all evidence that doesn’t support, or that falsifies his claims. > > I’m not sure how the Flat Earth Society adds to your argument. If any it strengthens mine because it shows how readily people will wallow in ignorant, irrational ideas, even in the face of insurmountable evidence that conflicts with those ideas, just because the ideas appeal to them. > > edited to add: also, RE “discoveries” starting out as hokum. You are right that new knowledge is sometimes slow to be accepted; that is one of the self-correcting mechanisms in scientific methodology. Not only that, but the more revolutionary the idea, the stronger the data supporting the idea need to be, in order to gain acceptance. But – and here is the important part – Scientific discoveries are outcomes of **scientific studies**. The ABO diet guy did not plan experiments/studies, implement them, draw conclusions, and then write a book about it. He just wrote a book about it. He skipped the “research” part. That is not a “discovery” in the scientific sense. That is just a quack selling books. Thanx for the lecture. I have done my science for my business. I have been socialising with scientists since before college. Empirical evidence is only empirical when the community decides the change to current theories is acceptable. “Scientists” routinely ignore anything that doesn’t conform to current parameters. Just because You don’t see the value (your a medical researcher?) doesn’t mean it’s valueless. I’m officially bored, now. ---
**Author:** ![xev](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xev/32/1993_2.png) [@xev](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xev)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 11:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-blood-type-pheromone-connection/16/52 "2011-04-07T23:04:13Z")
> [@Astrea](#): > > Thanx for the lecture. I have done my science for my business. I have been socialising with scientists since before college. Empirical evidence is only empirical when the community decides the change to current theories is acceptable. “Scientists” routinely ignore anything that doesn’t conform to current parameters. > Just because You don’t see the value (your a medical researcher?) doesn’t mean it’s valueless. I’m officially bored, now. This is a subforum for discussing science; all I’m doing is offering a scientific perspective for anyone reading this thread who might be interested in exploring such. My “lecture” was merely a reply to statements that you addressed to me. My first post in this thread was not addressed to or picking on any particular person. If it matters, I am a research biologist, though not in the field of medicine. It has not been my experience that empirical evidence is ignored if it doesn’t conform to current parameters. It is actually just the opposite: additional evidence supporting already-tested ideas is not considered nearly as exciting as evidence that pushes our knowledge into new areas. In fact, the top-rated research journals in any field will generally only publish papers that present new discoveries and/or overturn traditional or previously held ideas. If someone did a real experiment that showed dietary differences between ABO blood groups, there would be no particular reason why the study would be suppressed or not accepted for publication in a decent peer-reviewed journal. There are, in fact, some papers in the medical literature that report diseases and several cancers that have slight but statistically significant risk differences among persons with different blood types. The scientists who conducted these studies were able to publish their work. Why would the blood type diet doctor (or anyone else) be unable to publish data about diet and blood types? ---
**Author:** ![datadragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/datadragon/32/1252_2.png) [@datadragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/datadragon)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 1:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-blood-type-pheromone-connection/16/53 "2017-12-29T01:58:25Z")
Like everything I do in life lol —I’m A+ Some possible blood type info below… Blood Types do seem to have an effect on pheromones only because certain type O seem to have an easier genetic ability to digest protein which leads naturally to higher testosterone and more muscle. Those with higher T output of course higher levels of things like Enone and possibly Erone, likely from increased Dopamine output. Eating Mickey D’s every day I’m sure would counter any genetic’s however lol… Same as anyone who supplemented to counteract their genetics… Looks like non muscular A’s might need some Betaine HCL to assist their stomach acid perhaps. It seems to all tie in to the testosterone levels. My theory is that the easy OD on none is caused from the already higher testosterone levels that increase the output of dopamine -\> adrenaline -\> pheromones.. And Type O blood has easy protein digestion with higher stomach acid. This leads to higher muscle mass from the protein and intake of things like zinc, which leads to that higher natural testosterone with a proper diet. Here is a link to a study that shows a relationship in T and serotonin for example… [Testosterone Supplementation May Increase Serotonin Levels in the Brain | MD Magazine](http://www.mdmag.com/medical-news/testosterone-supplementation-may-increase-serotonin-levels-in-the-brain) I tested the theory with using L-Tyrosine which boosts dopamine in large quantity around 3000-5000/day and it increased output of hits. I believe a few others have tried this like Pagodiero as well. So did using copulins several times a day which led to higher baseline T… I would think celery in large quantity would also temporary raise the levels increasing hits because it contains the pheromones. Blood Type: 0 These guys evolved from hunters and like hunters they are suitable for that task. Highly acidic stomach makes protein digestions EASY. Great for ketosis. People with such blood type can’t tolerate carbs, but have to eat meat in high quantity. It is the only blood type that allows easy digestion of red meat and other meats. Since in prehistoric times you had to have strength and ‘hunters built’ you probably carry such trait/genetics. These guys strive on physical exercise and have to do it. They don’t overtrain easily, but once they pushed their body to extremes it takes longer to recover Blood Type: A These guys came from Agricultural society, when hunters became cultivators and farmers. They have low stomach acid which means that digestion of protein is HARD (and thus less protein gets to muscle? And more protein gets pooped out). If you have Blood A, then you have higher cortisol in your body and are a walking muscle eater. Obviously that isnt so good for building muscle! You overtrain very easily but recover faster. Conditioned guy with Type A can compete with unconditioned blood type 0. But cannot do it very often. Blood Type: B People whose descendants are nomads. They are similar to A except better digestion of protein and meat. Blood Type AB: Most recent and rarest and most UNKNOWN of blood types. Mixture of A and B. Which means that you need to eat meat but it is hard to digest it. BUT you have high level of endurance and need to have physical exercise if it is coupled with mental aspect. Recovery/Overtraining is similiar to Blood Type 0. ---
**Author:** ![JoelS57](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/joels57/32/1777_2.png) [@JoelS57](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JoelS57)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-blood-type-pheromone-connection/16/54 "2018-01-11T15:05:53Z")
Wow, super post. I was watching that show “Life Below Zero” and it’s so coincidental that you write this, that I have to comment. So, I just caught part of it. The guy has shot a Moose and is field dressing it. He pulls out some liver fat and is eating it raw. He says the problem in the wild is you don’t have much greens, and eating all protein will make you sick. So you need to add fat to your diet. ---
**Author:** ![datadragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/datadragon/32/1252_2.png) [@datadragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/datadragon)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2018, 6:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-blood-type-pheromone-connection/16/55 "2018-01-11T18:37:44Z")
That post I tried to keep related to pheromones from the increase in testosterone levels tied to the ability to digest protein. Those with higher testosterone should find they need less of the sexuals and status mones and more of the socials you apply. Those with lower testosterone, and especially if you have some fat, will find they need less of the socials and more of the sexual and status mones. This is the basics, as some pheromones have many other effects that can modify things even more. Certain mones could make you look more attractive, make others want to invade your personal space or more likely to touch, disinhibit them, form emotional connection/bonding, raise their mood, or even just make you more confident which might help the encounter as just a few examples… Related to natural diet, a blood type O for example can’t tolerate carbs as well, but have to eat meat in high quantity. A blood type A naturally would do better with far less meat since they cant digest as well as another example. Knowing this however, these days supplements like Betaine HCL that increases the stomach acid allowing protein to be better digested is possible. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 4:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-blood-type-pheromone-connection/16/56 "2018-01-12T04:55:31Z")
Quoting MHarris, who started the thread - > [@](#): > > I’m an O, I think an O negative. So far, to me, it looks like O’s emit a lot of [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) naturally. Erox filed one of the original patents on A-1. They wrote in their patent filing: > [@](#): > > Several 16-Androstene steroids, including 5α-Androst-16-en-3α-ol and, 5α-Androst-16-en-3-one [androstenone] , 4,16-Androstadien-3-one, 5,16-Androstadien-3α-ol, and perhaps 5α-Androstadien-3α-ol, are naturally occurring in humans and may be present on the skin. > [@](#): > > During intimate contact it is estimated that a human would be exposed to **no more than 700 ng** of a naturally occurring steroid. Since these compounds are relatively non-volatile, it is estimated that, even during intimate contact, a human subject would inhale **no more than 0.7 pg** of a naturally occurring steroid from the skin of another. The subject invention is effective because it delivers a much larger amount of the active pheromone steroids than does normal intimate contact between individuals. Patent app US 5278141 A (1994) That would be 700 nanograms and less than 1 picogram. 1 picogram equals .001 nanogram. The patent was approved to Pherin a couple years later as US5883087. It used the same quoted language but added - > [@](#): > > From the amount inhaled only about 1% would reach the receptors of the vomeronasal organ [nasal passages]. Thus the estimated maximum natural exposure to naturally produced pheromones would be 0.007 pg. This isn’t new information. People just forgot about it. Harris knew about it back when A1 was still under patent. MH means to say 800 pmol (which is 0.800 nmol). This is the amount reported by Gower et al. MH is conflating the 2 since the 1996 approved patent doesn’t use nmol or pmol amounts. 700 nanograms is more than 800 pmol and more than reported by Gower. 700 seems small but it is far higher than Gower reported in sweat. 700 would be the high exteme of natural output for androstenes like A1. > **[PheromoneTalk](https://pheromonetalk.com/instant-female-magic-men-31856-3.html)** > > Everything about using pheromones to enhance your social life ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 5:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-blood-type-pheromone-connection/16/57 "2018-01-12T05:05:32Z")
By reading Xev’s posts I would say she probably had laboratory experience with scientific instruments. Perhaps Androtics will carry through on their idea to close this forum to general audience. My hope is that they would invite graduate students doing PhD work who have reviewed all of this old literature. We need not spend ten more years debating how much of what pheromone signature various men and women produce. We’ve known the answers for over 20 years. During intimate contact (sex), you’ll inhale less than 1 nanogram androstenone. Maybe you’re an outlier. Maybe you produce 10 times more than any other man in town. Then your partner would sniff less than 10 nano **maximum**. The patent expired and Pherin science on the VNO was junk. Maybe the lab data on natural phero output was trash as well. If so it’s the greatest science hoax on the US Patent Office in many years. I didn’t write the patent and I am not responsible for what it says. You should direct your complaint letters to the scientists in the patent documents. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 6:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-blood-type-pheromone-connection/16/58 "2018-01-12T06:11:28Z")
Some confusion on math units and testosterone. Most pubs. use molar amounts, for example nmol or nanomoles. This quote is from a 2009 pub. that lays it all out. 1000 nanograms equal 1 microgram. 1000 picograms equal 1 nanogram. > [@](#): > > In addition to AND [androstadienone], Gower and co-workers documented > the presence and abundance of 5α-androst-16-en-3β-ol (androstenol) and 5α- > androst-16-en-3-one (androstenone) in axillary secretions. These compounds also > have been suggested by some to be human pheromones (for a review see 80). The > steroid AND is often said to be “male-specific,” (e.g., 63), but it is not. Gower and > colleagues used males almost exclusively in their studies. However, in one study, > they reported the average level of AND across eight males to be 0.38 nanomole per > microliter (nmol/uL; =102.6 nanograms [ng]) and 0.87 nmol/uL (= 234.9 ng) in the > single female sample (76). Clearly, the average concentration of AND in males is not > greater than that of the female. No other publication reports levels of axillary AND in > male and female subjects. Further, its purported relationship to testosterone also is > questionable. Experiments by Gower and associates (76, 77, 79) attempted the > conversion of testosterone to AND by axillary bacteria: None were successful. In > both the human and porcine testes, synthesis of the Delta16-androstenes (AND as well as other volatile steroids such as androstenone and androstenol) is independent of androgen formation. The precursors for AND and other 16-androstenes have been > documented as progesterone and pregnenolone. Both are C21 steroids that lose their > C17 side chains to form the Delta-16 double bond (81). ---
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> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > The primary thing that affects natural phero output is andrenaline, not testosterone. Interesting. Dopamine, like norepinephrine, is a neurotransmitter in the brain that initiates adrenaline, a hormone, during the activation of the stress response. 🙂 So that may indeed be the next link in the chain from post 53 and how it may all connect together… And as mentioned I found some research with links to neurotransmitters and testosterone… It was previously just been my theories.. [Testosterone Supplementation May Increase Serotonin Levels in the Brain | MD Magazine](http://www.mdmag.com/medical-news/testosterone-supplementation-may-increase-serotonin-levels-in-the-brain) —All of the related molecules are found on the skin at about 700 nanograms or less. Less than 10% of that becomes part of the natural mones signature. How much is your natural -enone sig.? Maybe 10 nanograms. Why? Sweat isn’t perfumer’s alcohol. Water and fats in sweat aren’t ideal for diffusion. There should be a range of androstenone found based on varying natural levels, and the tolerance range of added enone without buffers seems to be up to around 15-20mcg. And of course we have what seems to be a thousand reports of men with higher testosterone needing far less or no androstenone and do better with socials, buffers, or things are balanced with more socials over sexuals, and those with lower testosterone needing far more androstenone or higher ratio of sexual over social. PrettyRickyBoi just tested for me as well, with being african american and gets intimidation naturally, using things like Ammo Summer Edition with its two extra buffers TAA and P130, and IG with no enone worked better, and things like tuth not so much… The low T guys who tested get beta’d with Ammo Summer because its further pushing down their levels and would need more enone added, but do great with things like Tuth… Androstenone also sticks around, once its applied seems to go for a day or even possibly more.. So I wouldnt be suprised to find the natural levels may be as high as 10-20mcg in those with higher T, workout etc… Androstenol is found in fresh sweat and then converts, so your also likely adding more consistantly in a healthy person who sweats…A1 converts to Enone as well I read. As far as A1, if 700ng is truly more the norm or even far less as shown, perhaps the fact we use 5-40mcg per dose and some use it all the time is another part of the reason for the issues some experience which I’ve posted about my thoughts elsewhere as to its effects.. Wonder if theres a safe dose without buffering it with mood lifters like dhea-s that never triggers depression or the change in scent to urinous but still gives the positive effects of the A1 say 1mcg or 700ng or 200ng… Dial Magnetic is low dose but you apply it all over and not in one spot like pheromones, and some people have had neg effects using 4 times a week. If its a serotonin drain as I theorized, then of course some with higher T or better nutrition to make it would have better tolerance, but it seems most everyone gets hit sooner or later even buffered at those 5-40 levels if used too often. Not sure any info on natural diffusion to help but hair I remember increases the ability of molecules to get into the air, but cant find the info on that. ---
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> [@](#): > > During intimate contact it is estimated that a human would be exposed to **no more than 700 ng** [nanograms] of a naturally occurring steroid. _Exposed_ could include direct skin contact. > [@](#): > > it is estimated that, even during intimate contact, a human subject would inhale **no more than 0.7 pg** (picograms) [0.0007 nanograms]of a naturally occurring steroid from the skin of another. > [@](#): > > So I wouldnt be suprised to find the natural levels may be as high as 10-20mcg in those with higher T, workout etc. If less than 1 nanogram of androstenone makes it into the air (a human subject would inhale no more than .0007 nanograms), then 10 mcg (inhaled) would be more than **100 thousand times** the estimated natural level. No matter what amount of -enone or similar androstene steroid is present on the skin, less than **0.0001** percent vaporizes into the air. The data above was reported by Pherin/Erox in their A1 patent 20 years ago. > **[PheromoneTalk](https://pheromonetalk.com/instant-female-magic-men-31856-3.html)** > > Everything about using pheromones to enhance your social life > [@](#): > > The most likely means of communication of a semiochemical ligand is the inhalation of a naturally occurring pheromone present on the skin of another. Several 16-Androstene steroids, including 5α-Androst-16-en-3α-ol and 5α-Androst-16-en-3-one, 4,16-Androstadien-3-one, 5α-Androstadien-3β-ol, and perhaps 5α-Androstadien-3α-ol, are naturally occurring in humans and may be present on the skin. It is estimated that the naturally occurring maximum concentration of a 16-Androstene steroid on human skin is from 2 to 7 ng/cm2. During intimate contact it is estimated that a human would be exposed to no more than 700 ng of a naturally occurring steroid. Since these compounds are relatively nonvolatile, it is estimated that, even during intimate contact, a human subject would inhale no more than 0.7 pg of a naturally occurring steroid from the skin of another. From the amount inhaled only about 1% would reach the receptors of the vomeronasal organ. Thus the estimated maximum natural exposure to naturally produced pheromones would be 0.007 pg. Except that the vomeronasal organ is no longer important in human research. > **[US5883087A - Androstane steroids as neurochemical initiators of change in...](https://patents.google.com/patent/US5883087)** > > The invention relates to a method of altering hypothalamic function in an individual. The method comprises nasally administering a human semiochemical, e.g. an Androstane steroid, or a pharmaceutical composition containing a semiochemical, such... [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-blood-type-pheromone-connection/16.md?page=2) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-blood-type-pheromone-connection/16.md?page=4)