# The Burnout Files **URL:** \ **Category:** Pheromone Theory & Molecules\ **Created:** [April 27, 2009, 1:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-burnout-files/28406 "2009-04-27T01:07:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2009, 1:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-burnout-files/28406/1 "2009-04-27T01:07:38Z")
If you have a bad reaction to what would otherwise be a reasonable quantity of [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/), that is not over dose. That is long term overuse. Burnout. Everyone of us who are long term users have to be aware of burnout and manage our pheromone use accordingly. If are a competent, informed, reasonably aware user, burnout can be avoided entirely. Nevertheless, it is important to be able to recognize the signs of trouble and know how to regenerate yourself. Now that we know the secret, it is difficult not to use pheros. There is always a good reason. > [@](#): > > tactius 7/30/06 - Here goes… chew on this one for a while… as a general observation, many people are systematically degraded by their work environments, general cruddyness and mediocrity of “culture” available to them, eat a lot of junk crap, don’t get adequate sleep, and beyond the hormone surge of the mid 20s, their sex lives, to put it mildly, leave a lot to be desired… it ain’t a pretty picture, that’s the corporatized life of the 21st century for ya… often miserable and routine and depressing… and who ya gonna call ? I’d surmise that most of our downtrodden bodies are generating pheromonal signals that are the social message equivalent of “dude, this so massively sucks” … a really good refreshing breeze of upbeat, optimistic, hormonally balanced, sexually dynamic, in possession of one’s good stuff, on a roll, world in the palm of your hand level of pheromones has become a freakin’ rarity… when poor average grunty knotmuscle corporate serf gets hit upside the schnozz with a lightning bolt of fuckuous life affirming take this job and shove it reconnection to the fundamental frequecies of the neanderthal psychic leftovers it’s like, **holyshitdamngetdownIfeltthatsomethingwickedinmybut tcheeksman…** > [@Long term health effects of pheromones?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/long-term-health-effects-of-pheromones/535): > > I really love the effects of [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). Now that I’ve found one’s that are great for wearing during the day (such as A314), I use them 5 days a week. Sometimes I wonder if they are healthy to the wearer when used consistently. I know some of them are natural. But they are in much higher amounts and some have ‘drug like’ effects on the wearer. Does anyone have any insight into this? That goes a long way toward explaining so many (most?) of us don’t want to leave the house without a few shots of the ‘juice’. I certainly understand that perspective. > [@](#): > > OoohYahhh 5/18/09 - For almost a month now the only thing I can wear is A314. Everything else just makes me queasy. > > But I still wouldn’t leave the house without a 40ml selection. ‘Just in case’ > > I am _not_ a pheromone addict. I’m just heavily dependent. > [@Pheromone Addicts Anonymous (PAA)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-addicts-anonymous-paa/27701): > > Perhaps the first chapter of [Pheromone](https://a314.com/) Addicts Anonymous needs to be opened, because I just can’t seem to stop playing with this stuff !! I am having the worst time making myself take a day off. I know I need to, but I keep finding reasons or situations where I must try this or that. (Of course, I am the master, or perhaps I should say mistress, of being able to rationalize anything) Is it really bad to use them every single day without a real break? Might this be why sometimes I do not see ef… You are going to want to read all the way through these threads. Sometimes the diccusions of neurotransmitter depletion and repletion are well into the conversation. > [@](#): > > Lor 3/21/09 > have you considered that it is not the pheromone at all, > but that you need a couple days to replenish transmitters? > > not for nothing, > but i began doing the same thing a few years back, trying to figure out which pheromone was annoying me, and come to find out they _all_ were,LOL, > i just needed a break > > [http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif) > > i was having anxiety attacks more often, then feeling depressed. > > i was basically over-tired and wayyyy over-using this stuff. > i was OD’ing on putatives to test for threshold and didnt realize i was just exausting myself. > [@Androsterone Anxiety Attack](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androsterone-anxiety-attack/27274): > > I am going to do a retrospective on my consumer products. I’ve been using too many MX’s so I need to go back and revisit the old simple things and see if I can learn something new. Randomly grabbed for the first big blue bottle in my stash. Instant Gentlemen. Has anyone ever experienced a -rone OD? Is that a legitimate thing? Man, I am totally striking out lately. I hadn’t used very much of this bottle, so I decided to go back try a test of it and see what happens. 3 sprays to chest. Was feel… > [@](#): > > Lor 2/18/09 > > i know i am going to be the only one saying it (i hope so actually, because being first is fun) > but > its was likely NOT MX274 imo, > sounds like burnout from mega-dosing. > > Quote: > The worst bit was the anxiety though, it was borderline panic type feelings, it was like I could hear myself hyperventilating in my mind, heart was racing and I was nauseous and dizzy… > > [http://www.pheromonetalk.com/womens-pheromone-advice-tips-tricks/images/smilies/frown.gif](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/womens-pheromone-advice-tips-tricks/images/smilies/frown.gif) > > And I felt so helpless and clueless… > you can only mega-dose for so long before it catches up. > accumulative. > again, im not asking for agreement from anybody, > im merely stating > what has taken me 3 years to learn > [@Mx274 nightmare....](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx274-nightmare/26192): > > Right, here’s a new one…I got some seriously bad effects of Mx274… Wasn’t expecting that at all! My previous test doses have all had very positive results but yesterday was the day from hell… I found my own “sour spot” so to speak frowning I’m not sure what’s in the Mx274 so don’t know if you can actually OD on it, but I now know not to go abouve 4 sprays… Application dosage and locations In the morning after my shower I applied; Mx274 - 6 sprays (4 to cleavage/neck, 1 back of neck, 1 to w… The symptoms of overuse are multitude. One that I think does not get enough attention is sleep disturbance. > [@](#): > > Diane 1/13/09 > The backlash only lasted a few days. I think me and P107 are a hard-core no-no. I know that it kept me up for 24 hours both times I tried it and that had to have depleted my nor-epinephrine and epinephrine and probably others. I only used 10.0 mcg both days, but that was too much evidently. > [@](#): > > Wildflower 1/13/09 > Oh and about p107 I haven’t noticed any emotional affects like that. I do notice that it seems to induce reactions way, way after the molecule should have stopped working. Like me having vivid dreams at night every time after I’ve been wearing p107 during the day (I never get them when I don’t wear p107). So p107 could make me a little bit more emotional like that but I may not notice because it may occur hours and hours after I apply the molecule. I’ll keep an eye out next time, although I’m getting to the end of my bottle now. > [@](#): > > Visionary 1/13/09 > What were your dreams about with P107 - can you describe them in detail please? There is a theory that that the way a pheromone steers your dreams shows the true ‘essence’ of the molecule… > [@P107, P80 - Taking a break and I need some advice...](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p107-p80-taking-a-break-and-i-need-some-advice/24837): > > I got some kind of backlash from the P107 I tested on the 6th and 7th of December. I had sleeplessness from the P107, true, but that wasn’t the bad thing. The backlash was that for days after I was in the dumps, emotionally, depressed and negative. I haven’t had anything like this happen for many years. So, at this point I’m equating it with the P107 wearing off. It was bad enough that I suspended testing P107. But there’s something else. For the week since suspending the P107 test I’ve h… Although everyone reacts differently to each pheromone, there are few that it is well known that should be used lightly. > [@](#): > > By Jasmin > [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) seems to temporarily remove our internal filters… tune out the squawking voice in our head announcing our assumptions… allowing us to actually tune in to something closer to what’s _really_ there. > > The same thing about [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) that makes it great for cleaning, makes it great for second chances or for people who wouldn’t ordinarily like “someone like you” to take a closer look at you. > > They say “you don’t have a second chance to make a first impression”, but [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) may actually give us the opportunity to have just that. It’s a very cool pheromone. > > [http://www.pheromonetalk.com/womens-pheromone-advice-tips-tricks/images/smilies/cool.gif](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/womens-pheromone-advice-tips-tricks/images/smilies/cool.gif) > > \*\*The downside is the physical and mental expense, which is why we won’t use a lot of it in a complex mix. It puts your brain in such high gear, there’s no doubt that you’re burning up neurotransmitters faster than usual. Happens with me - I sleep like a baby the day after I wear high **TAF ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/))**. It’s something best used rarely, for very specific purposes. \*\* But still occasionally, for the sake of research … > [@](#): > > Tisha 1/28/09 - > Great report > > [http://www.pheromonetalk.com/womens-pheromone-advice-tips-tricks/images/smilies/biggrin.gif](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/womens-pheromone-advice-tips-tricks/images/smilies/biggrin.gif) > > Wow way to take one for them team Diane. > > I hope your feeling better. That was defiantly a major [OD](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacodynamics) big time. > [@MX292 OD test... heh!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx292-od-test-heh/25479): > > Yesterday I was feeling much better (thanks to early zinc!) so I decided to test the MX292. It has gotten such raves on the guys side, I really wanted to see how it compared to the Putatives and such I’ve been playing with. So, I started out with 3 sprays to the chest. At first I didn’t get much in the way of self effects, except a little energized. It smells really good, like a nice, clean man’s daily cologne. That is such a nice change from the heavy, heavy neroli scent of so many of APR’… Some of our elders have tried repeatedly to explain to us why pheromones can turn into risky business. > [@](#): > > MadisonTater 2/8/08 - I think the smell of fear (all-out terror) also includes [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) and several other pheros that may not be sold by Androtics. That defocusing and energy you get from [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) is what you feel when something is about to leap at you, but you dont know where it will come from. Your body is primed for rapid movement, your senses are exaggerated and youre focused on everything at one time. You can hear everything at once, see a speckle move in a shadow. > > Similarly, when you come down from the event, you can feel very tired, as if you were tensed for a very long time. > This suggests that [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) really does have a “memory reset” to it, that shouldnt be used too often or it will burn you/the target out. This may be related to why when you get spooked, you remember all kinds of crap vividly as your mind records it, and your brain even fills in all the details for you. I saw a spot move and my brain filled in the body of the whole leopard coming at me. > > So [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) should be used to make a heavy initial impression, but may make people tired around you if you wear something with it all the time. Also, the emergency response/memory effect will die down. > > Why does it intensify some pheros? It doesnt. But those who are affected will have a harsh memory of everything that happened. > [@The "MAD TATER" Journal](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/601): > > I think the smell of fear (all-out terror) also includes TAF and several other pheros that may not be sold by Androtics. That defocusing and energy you get from TAF is what you feel when something is about to leap at you, but you dont know where it will come from. Your body is primed for rapid movement, your senses are exaggerated and youre focused on everything at one time. You can hear everything at once, see a speckle move in a shadow. Similarly, when you come down from the event, you can… > [@](#): > > Bella 5/6/08 - Now I use it frequently…but not more than every three/four days. Tired?..Burnout?..Ya. According to an old post of Jasmin’s and also when I spoke to her when I originally ordered [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) …she told me “to rest” between applications. Some of these molecules really screw with your neurotransmitters. So between what Jasmine and Tate said…I got to thinkin’…uh oh. > > [http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/images/smilies/eek.gif](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/images/smilies/eek.gif) > > From what I’ve read about brain function, and I believe Visionary refers to this, it has to do with the reticular activaton system of the brain…read this… [Reticular activating system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reticular_activating_system)…explains it more clearly than I ever could…so you’re able see where I’m goin’ with this. I might be runnin’ off in the ditch here, ya’ll let me know…but I don’t think so. > > [http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif) > > These are stellar observations/descriptions of [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) …as seen from the infamous Tater’s perspective. He’s right…everytime you turn around _it’s something._ And, yes the response it provokes is connected to memory. It has a lot to do with memory and how [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) works to recall feelings evoked _by memory_. The “all-out terror” reaction he refers to is what happens when the brain can’t process high/mega doses of [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) . The response/memory die down? Ya..it’s happened to me since I’ve been testing for so long. However it doesn’t evoke that in people who aren’t exposed to it regulaly…not from my experience. What Tate, also, says about [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) intensifying some pheromones…I think…not sure here…it may work the other way around. What he says about \*“initial impression”…\*and that goes along with the whole congruence thing…is THE key element in/of pheromone use…KEY! Our Tate is brilliant. There is alot more out there about long term burnout. My interest in this thread is not the multitudes of ODs. Anybody can do that the first week. It is the long term health of dedicated users that I would like to document and explore in this thread. If anyone else finds quotes or threads about the health effects of long term use please feel free to post them in this thread. Next installment: Nutrition, Nootropics, and Repletion Or maybe should that be another thread?..hmmmm? ---
**Author:** ![Maromi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/maromi/32/809_2.png) [@Maromi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maromi)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2009, 2:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-burnout-files/28406/2 "2009-04-27T02:30:52Z")
Can someone explain to me exactly what the neurotransmitters do? If you over work them can it be hard for you to have certain emotions? ---
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 2:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-burnout-files/28406/3 "2009-04-28T02:07:21Z")
Neurotransmitters have a lot of various functions depletion of certain neurotransmitters can cause depression mood swings and other effects.Including psychological and physiological. To put it simply. Neurotransmitters are messengers in the brain that tell different parts of your brain to do different things from regulating your emotional state to your heart and respiration rates. [Neurotransmitter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotransmitter) ---
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 2:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-burnout-files/28406/4 "2009-04-28T02:11:06Z")
I’m actually rather curious which neurotransmitter groups are affected by shine as I seem to have a nasty reaction to it and I’m a fairly new phero user. ---
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 2:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-burnout-files/28406/5 "2009-04-28T02:37:37Z")
Another good link to review. [Neuropsychopharmacology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuropsychopharmacology) I was actually thinking after my first try with the pheros that there was a great potential for their use in this particular field. I am actually having good success recovering from trauma induced social anxiety disorder. I believe that the effects of pheromones on neutrotransmitter cycles and production is potentially under valued. ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 4:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-burnout-files/28406/6 "2009-04-28T04:13:53Z")
> [@ElectraComplex](#): > > I’m actually rather curious which neurotransmitter groups are affected by shine as I seem to have a nasty reaction to it and I’m a fairly new phero user. I believe Shine has TAC and TAA in it. Some people have very bad reactions to that combo. Search TAC and TAA under posts by Warren and read up. See if that sounds similar. ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 5:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-burnout-files/28406/7 "2009-04-28T05:33:33Z")
> [@Maromi](#): > > Can someone explain to me exactly what the neurotransmitters do? If you over work them can it be hard for you to have certain emotions? Thought this might help. > [@tisha23](#): > > … > The theory is that certain mones put your neurotransmitters into rapid fire and this can deplete them quickly. They really dont need to heal, they are not broken, they need to replenish. > > Think of it this way. Its like your muscles. You work them hard when you work out and its good for them but the next day they may be a little sore and they tell you to give it a rest so they can replenish before you work them again. > > I am finding using nootropics like Jassy suggested is really helping that for me and I don’t get as much of a blah feeling with using mones. I have a ton more energy to. Cant sleep much but I am not tired either. > [@P86+Shine=Rose colored glasses](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-shine-rose-colored-glasses/28345): > > Want to wear rose-colored glasses for a day? Then wear P86 with Shine! Wow! What a great day…I was great, the weather was great, work was great, even my 3 year old covered in mud was great! LOL! Talk about a SUPER Shiny day! Life is goooooood with this mix.wink (3 sprays Shine X2) (3 sprays P86 15mcg) OoohYahhh ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 5:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-burnout-files/28406/8 "2009-04-28T05:41:28Z")
> [@tacitus;5/9/07;44154](#): > > haven’t noticed anything in myself, other than routine pheromone burnout… if I use them too much I do become indifferent, so there appears to be a self calibration process, have concluded that the best results are from intermittant use… other than that over the last decade I have no overt physiologic symptoms or changes, nothing we can see in blood testing for natural androgen/estrogen production (I get tested for a variety of hormones and by-products, like “upstream” pregnenolone, “midstream” DHEA, “downstream” DHT, testosterone, and estrogen load)… more to the point, my PSA (prostate marker) is remarkably low, in the zero risk category… and one of the big concerns with irresponsible steroid abuse is PSA values spike… at least in my case, pheromones are demonstrating **no** impact on prostate volume or PSA values, even esoteric markers like SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) which respond to excess hormone by the body pumping out more SHBG to control blood hormone levels, show no meaningful activity… No thyroid changes, no inflammation markers like TNF-a, or Interleukins show activity, no C reactive protein… no elevated liver enzymes… > > If the pheromones are doing anything at the body chemistry level we can’t find it **in me**. And we’re making a serious effort to find anything out of normal ranges… > > What should you do, what should everyone do ? Join the Life Extension Foundation and get their blood testing program: > > [lef.org](http://lef.org) > > here’s their testing page.. they have a ton of tests if you flip through the pages… > > [Life Extension Foundation: Popular Multi-Nutrient Formulas](http://www.lef.org/newshop/cgi-shop/showCategory.cgi?catid=23000) > [@Any health complications from short or long term pheromone use?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/any-possible-health-complications-from-short-long-term-pheromone-usage/3562): > > I was just curious about this one. Everything fun in this world almost always has some kind of downside to it. So there must some kind of health consequence. No way that [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) could be this much fun without some kind of health risk. slight_smile OoohYahhh ---
**Author:** ![Maromi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/maromi/32/809_2.png) [@Maromi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maromi)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 9:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-burnout-files/28406/9 "2009-04-28T21:37:05Z")
Ok I’m an aspiring actress and one of the things we have to do in class is tell ourselves over and over (in our mind) that we are sad, angry, or whatever emotion that particular scene calls for. By telling ourselves this we actually start to feel that way for no reason and we can get into character and really go through what the character is going through (Live the scene in other words). I noticed lately I was having problems getting into the emotion (fear particularly). I had recently used p74 and was wondering if this was neurotransmitter related. It could also just be that I haven’t been to class for a month or I’m just trying to hard and getting frustrated. Let me know your thoughts. ~Tiffany~ 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 9:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-burnout-files/28406/10 "2009-04-28T21:53:51Z")
I’m not sure that’s neurotransmitter related maybe if taf? was involved? You might try looking back to a time you felt afraid and pretending you’re back in that moment. ---
**Author:** ![Maromi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/maromi/32/809_2.png) [@Maromi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maromi)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 10:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-burnout-files/28406/11 "2009-04-28T22:01:25Z")
I just thought if my Neurotransmitters were tired from using p74 (since it was the first few times I’d ever used it) it might of made getting into that emotion a little more difficult. It’s probably not though lol. I was just brain storming 😛. ---
**Author:** ![Maromi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/maromi/32/809_2.png) [@Maromi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maromi)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 2:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-burnout-files/28406/12 "2009-04-29T02:22:49Z")
It’s really wierd. I was having such a hard time saturday and sunday getting scared for my monologue. I would sit there for hours trying to get into the emotion, but nothing would happen. All I got in the end was a really bad headashe and great frustration. It reminded me of when I first started acting and wasn’t use to manipulating my emotions. I became very tired and I felt like I had nothing left in me ☹. I took a 3 day break from all my pheromones wondering if that was part of the problem and surprisingly I was able to snap into being scared today with no problems! This is kind of a strange theory, but my thoughts are that because acting requires a large amount of energy to to achieve all that is needed in a scene, tired neurotransmitters only get in the way. Actors have to be able to put themselves in heavy emotions and stay in them until they are done working (and on top of that fully concentrate on the scene and really live it). That in itself is very draining. I believe that since the neurotransmitters have a lot to do with emotions, they aren’t easy to manipulate when they just need time to rest. I would love to hear your thoughts on this, but I’m thinking I will try to lay low on the pheromones at least 2 days before class 🙂. ~Tiffany~ ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 4:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-burnout-files/28406/13 "2009-04-29T04:12:52Z")
It’s entertaining to think that our pheros have given you so much courage that fear is out of reach. Entertaining, but not likely. OoohYahhh ---
**Author:** ![Maromi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/maromi/32/809_2.png) [@Maromi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maromi)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 2:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-burnout-files/28406/14 "2009-05-01T02:02:57Z")
> [@OoohYahhh](#): > > It’s entertaining to think that our pheros have given you so much courage that fear is out of reach. > > Entertaining, but not likely. > > OoohYahhh Courage? Not at all. What I felt was more like lack of emotion all together. I felt a bit emotionless and confused. It was wierd, but like I said, I really think I was just (emotionally) tired in sense. ~Tiffany~ 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 5:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-burnout-files/28406/15 "2009-05-30T17:53:01Z")
> [@OoohYahhh](#): > > …If anyone else finds quotes or threads about the health effects of long term use please feel free to post them in this thread… Not sure about quotes or threads about the health effects of long term use but **below are some posts focusing on P74 and ‘burnout’…** > [@Initial Impressions of P74](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-impressions-of-p74/2805/2): > > hmm..thought i’d posted this in the men’s forum (where i belong apparently) but whatever. If this winds up causing too much drama, feel free to move, it delete, what have you. In any case, almost 2 hours in - people are still pretty chatty in a “super-top secret” sort of vibe. This to me is more beta-nolish than p93. I’m really impressed with UB - she’s almost warm and polite. Even in the strategy meeting today, her body language was one of actually being engaged in the meeting, which is rare. … Nunya (March 29, 2007): “…In any case, almost 2 hours in - people are still pretty chatty in a “super-top secret” sort of vibe. P74 ] to me is more beta-nolish than p93. I’m really impressed with UB - she’s almost warm and polite. Even in the strategy meeting today, her body language was one of actually being engaged in the meeting, which is rare. The meeting itself was pretty good today - not the rah rah go team attitude of yesterday - more empathetic, and full of mutual respect. As for me - I’ms till feeling a little buzz, and strangely i’m seeing coronas from time to time when I look at things. **I’m also finding myself not wanting to talk, because it’s difficult for me to focus on conversations, whilst others want to have long conversations.** **interesting. perhaps not the best bet for my particular job, but should at a little something interesting socially, when i have time to just focus on being social.** ” > [@P74: A Rush Of Love Without Tangible Evidence Hate Persists!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-a-rush-of-love-without-tangible-evidence-hate-persists/6730/1): > > Yeah I know my titles are a bit eccentric, but so am I. Jasmin asked me to test P74 over the last few days and being that she has those over powering NLP tricks and that lovely Jasmin seduction [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) working over the phone she convinced me without much apprehension. So my tests started on Thursday and this report will include up until last night. I will say that I am not nearly finished with this unique and interesting molecule. I have a 30 Ml bottle unscented 30 mcg per spray. I starte… SteveO (November 18, 2007): “ **P74: A Rush Of Love Without Tangible Evidence Hate Persists!** Yeah I know my titles are a bit eccentric, but so am I. Jasmin asked me to test P74 over the last few days and being that she has those over powering NLP tricks and that lovely Jasmin seduction pheromones working over the phone she convinced me without much apprehension. So my tests started on Thursday and this report will include up until last night. I will say that I am not nearly finished with this unique and interesting molecule. I have a 30 Ml bottle unscented 30 mcg per spray. I started by wearing at first one spray (30 mcg) to gauge my self effects. I noticed almost instantaneously that I had a big smile. It was as if my lips were puckering up almost as if about to kiss. It was more than that though, there was something in my minds eye screaming power! I can’t really explain it just that I was thinking power, but not as world domination, but more in the line with world seduction. I was calm and yet focused on how to be successful with women. Very interesting thoughts that played out throughout my entire experiment. I would have thought this self-affect would have diminished as time progressed, but it wasn’t to be. The power and feeling as if I was on top of my seduction game was there throughout. Maybe it would have been different if my game was chess or dominoes, but my game is seduction and that is what I felt most connected to. Somehow I knew there was a connection between P74 and my passion. The interesting thing that did happen on Thursday was that when I went to Waly World to pick up some groceries I was absolutely driven to accomplish my goal. I was also up to 90 mcg at this stage. I was charged with getting what I needed and getting out of the store. Whenever I’m in a big store environment I can’t help but scope out other stuff not on my list and spend way more time than necessary. There were some missed opportunities because I just didn’t have the time (and yet I wasn’t rushed at all) to stop and venture into the social aspect. I could feel those around me as if I carried an aura of charismatic diplomacy turning heads catching eye contact and wanting to interact but I was on my mission and by all things Pink and Squishy, nothing was going to deter me. Strange now that I reflect back through my journal I see an inference that I went to my Happy Market where they only hire hot babes. **Weird that I don’t remember anything from it just a note that blond babe was working and gave me very strong eye contact.** I write: “She went out of her way to greet me. It wasn’t your typical Store Name greeting it was the kind they reserve for when the manager is next to them. She was blond HB8 the one with the straight hair and big boobs but wearing baggy clothes like normal. Damn girl! I’ll have to chat with her about those baggy clothes. She remembers my fling with Cody and asked if I’ve spoken to her. We talk about how she’s doing and how I miss her. She gives me the old aww that’s so cute. I hate when girls do that. I couldn’t help noticing her baby blues and how she wouldn’t stop making bedroom eyes. She was staring, but I needed to go.” **Like I said from my journal I know exactly who she is, but all the same don’t remember that. Oh well there’s always next time.** **The strangest thing was that by the time I got home I was completely frazzled like all the energy was drained from me. There was nothing left in me and as such I needed a nap. A long nap so I took one. I also noticed that everyday that after a good four to five hours of use I got very tired. I was driven to get whatever I was doing done, but when I was done I was done mentally and physically.** **During the next couple of days I failed at inputing anything into my journal, but from what I remember everything was hyper drive and crazy. I managed to mentally challenge myself to focus on conversations with people.** Holly molly some serious conversations erupt like a volcano, spewing charisma and charm like they were hot molten lava and boulders. I talked with a friend of mine forever and it was deep stuff too. There was such a content feeling that everything was OK and right. The only thing that I didn’t like about my testing is that I never got to test it sexually or really much more than one friend and a few strangers. One girl I met at Chilli’s was intriguing. It was like I could tell she was more underneath than her surface would allow her to expose. After talking for what seemed to be hours (it was deep like hours, but in reality about 15 minutes) her boss came over and said their were people waiting to be seated. She was the hostess. My friends conversations with me were in retrospect kind of boring. We just chatted about this sarge or that field report, but typical crap and yet it seemed to have been so much more. In summary a very social conversation pheromones that adds depth to yourself and others digging its presence into the psyche and creating a determined mindset to accomplish greatness. **Effects last about 4-5 hours for me with a massive come down at the end. My brain was tired.** I can see why Jasmosisinator asked me to test this molecule. Very nice little molecule that I will continue to test for a few more days. Strange, normally after testing something and being away from my personal mixes I always yearn to get back to mixes, not with this one. I like it!” > [@Initial P74 Testing](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/10): > > Yep, I didn’t even think about it when I wrote this, but I got home around 10:00 and ended up falling asleep on my sofa almost immediately, and I was kind of zoned out yesterday too. I normally NEVER go to sleep before midnight or so. mark-in-dallas (May 15, 2008): Quote: Originally Posted by SteveO _Does anyone get super tired and crash after using P74? Usually after a 50mcg dose I can burn my neuro transmitters out and get very tired and need to sleep.._ **Yep, I didn’t even think about it when I wrote this, but I got home around 10:00 and ended up falling asleep on my sofa almost immediately, and I was kind of zoned out yesterday too.** **I normally NEVER go to sleep before midnight or so.** ” > [@Can't believe I'm doing this.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cant-believe-im-doing-this/12238/47): > > TAA is by far a top 5 product for me, but it’s not better than [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/). P74 is a top 3 product. I feel that my confidence and respect level with P74 is way more blatant than with even MX103. It’s a 2nd best in regards to status after A314. Only drawback is that it needs some beta androstenol used along with it. TAL and alpha androstenol can also be used to pair up with P74, but I find beta androstenol the most effective. Again, status +++. However, even though it’s tempting to use everyday, you jus… tmoz (July 2, 2008): “TAA is by far a top 5 product for me, but it’s not better than P74. P74 is a top 3 product. I feel that my confidence and respect level with P74 is way more blatant than with even MX103. It’s a 2nd best in regards to status after A314. Only drawback is that it needs some beta androstenol used along with it. TAL and alpha androstenol can also be used to pair up with P74, but I find beta androstenol the most effective. Again, status +++. **However, even though it’s tempting to use everyday, you just can’t. P74 burns me out faster than any other product, and that’s why I feel there’s definitely some of it mixed in with MX271.** I wonder if it’s the same case with MX272 and MX273? I received them both along with a 50mcg spray of TAA today, so I’ll make a public report regarding those two once I get around to testing them.”