# The Denied Journal **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [May 13, 2008, 12:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571 "2008-05-13T12:02:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 9:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571/61 "2008-06-24T09:48:40Z")
D4, do you know which version they started putting the [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/) scent in? I’ve got V.17 Batch 4 ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 10:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571/62 "2008-06-24T10:02:42Z")
> [@Phya](#): > > D4, do you know which version they started putting the Akuto scent in? I’ve got V.17 Batch 4 The next batch after your’s. I’ve got Batch 5. From what I’ve read, they’re now distributing Batch 6, which also has [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/). -D4 ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 10:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571/63 "2008-06-24T10:07:07Z")
> [@Daedelus76](#): > > Data… you and Denied are hitting on something I have noticed. I think Denied is hitting his upper limit of androstenone with that Ammo, and going a little past it. I wonder if it’s possible to acquire a -none sensitivity where there wasn’t any sign of it before. Glancing back through the journal, I see that Denied has been using Ammo and TUTH fairly regularly with no issues until recently. -D4 ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 10:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571/64 "2008-06-24T10:09:08Z")
> [@data4](#): > > The next batch after your’s. I’ve got Batch 5. From what I’ve read, they’re now distributing Batch 6, which also has Akuto. > > -D4 Interesting, so this is EO? Or unscented? Original scent? I ordered this fairly recently, is Androtics releasing different batches simultaneously, and if so, should we be actively keeping track of version numbers and batch numbers in the hit reports? ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 10:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571/65 "2008-06-24T10:26:16Z")
> [@data4](#): > > I wonder if it’s possible to acquire a -none sensitivity where there wasn’t any sign of it before. Glancing back through the journal, I see that Denied has been using Ammo and Turn Up The Heat fairly regularly with no issues until recently. > -D4 That’s possible but I think it’s mostly due to “familiarity breeding contempt”. When alot of people first try androstenone, it doesn’t initially hit them, that’s my guess. I used to wear 2 drops of Alter Ego all the time early on when I did my mall walking experiments and I reeked- I smelled like a black man that had been pumping iron all day, maybe even worse. I couldn’t wear that amount now days and be all that comfortable. I probably am better cued in to the effects of androstenone and my neurosensory aparatus might be better “tuned” to the effects. ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 11:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571/66 "2008-06-24T11:36:41Z")
> [@Phya](#): > > Interesting, so this is EO? Or unscented? Original scent? I ordered this fairly recently, is Androtics releasing different batches simultaneously, and if so, should we be actively keeping track of version numbers and batch numbers in the hit reports? I think it would be a good idea, so the mixers can get an idea of whether the fragrance has any effects. -D4 ---
**Author:** ![Denied](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denied/32/1018_2.png) [@Denied](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Denied)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 1:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571/67 "2008-06-24T13:27:33Z")
Yes. i canceld my last order with the Ammo 2x … I had a shower and really washed myself 3 times with soap. Then i applyed 3 drops A314 2 x [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) 2x 2 drops TAA Oil That helped. The down feeling vanished about 1h later. Now im in good mood. btw. TAA nearly always lift me up. Im shure it was an OD on none today. I felt much better after that shower. hm it was 4 sprays so about 10mcg of none in alcohol base. ---
**Author:** ![Denied](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denied/32/1018_2.png) [@Denied](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Denied)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 1:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571/68 "2008-06-24T13:36:15Z")
Note. Most of the Time i use Ammo only with 2 Sprays 5mcg none… Same with TUTH . When i use both i first had 2 sprays of Ammo and 1 Spray of TUTH That worked well in those special situations! Today i had 4 Sprays of Ammo. That was clearly an OD self reaction. And i had a negative reaction by others this morning too. As i asked if i could help somebody, he said i should leave him alone. … im his boss…and he told me to leave him alone… strange… So my Safe None Zone is shure less then 10mcg. It is more then 2.5mcg I did well with 2 Sprays of Ammo, so i think maybe 5mcg is ok, too. But i think it might be the upper limit. I have used [MX203](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx203/) with 3-4 with very good results. Sadly i don´t know the None amount. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2008, 6:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571/69 "2008-06-24T18:28:39Z")
> [@data4](#): > > I think it would be a good idea, so the mixers can get an idea of whether the fragrance has any effects. > > -D4 Well, we should probably start finding out which version/batch everyone has. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 3:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571/70 "2008-06-25T03:27:24Z")
I was looking for info on akuto, couldn’t find alot of descriptions. Apparrently A314 used to be scented with sandalwood and oud, though, among other things (actually, this sounds like a great mix- why did they ditch it?). I’ve already talked about the effects oud has in my journal, of course. One of the test mixes is Akuto, I may order that to try it out. I’m getting to be more of a fragrance snob, too. Honestly I have to watch that I don’t wear too many scents on my body now days or it can become olfactory fatigue. You mention, Denied, you work in a mostly scent-free workplace, or at least a workplace where being “cologne boy” (as you called it) is frowned on? I take it the pheromone cover scents never bother anybody? On MX203- I got a mild OD reaction one time wearing diluted NPA, maybe 5 mcg. I think the MX203 just barely pushed me over into an OD. I have a really hard time talking to women already. BTW today I got a good reaction just wearing a VERY dilute amount of copulins (like about 1/8 a drop EoW) plus Scent of Eros, [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), and 1 spray of TAK- and no androstenone. I’ll have to write that in my journal. ---
**Author:** ![Denied](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denied/32/1018_2.png) [@Denied](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Denied)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 7:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571/71 "2008-06-25T07:30:20Z")
My workspace is mostly scent free. Lots of non smokers. The only thing you can smell is the ozone from the laser printers and a light scent from the stuff they clean up here. They noticed i was wearing something immediately. Their reactions where fine. I started with with A314 and added [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). Then i left the shine and now i sometimes add IO or when im in a meeting i add IH No -None at work. I play around some stuff when i go home. Sometimes MX203 or Ammo. But i stay with one product for a few days and see if it does something for me. As far as i can tell Ammo at 2 Sprays does nothing for my wife, but i have cool self effects. At Home the most effective Phero is IFM and IO. ---
**Author:** ![Denied](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denied/32/1018_2.png) [@Denied](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Denied)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2008, 1:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571/72 "2008-07-01T13:20:13Z")
My Order arrived! Now i got 3x MX203 2x MX271 1x MX272 (freebee. Kisses for April) 1x Ammo 2x game 1x [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) * * * I know my parcel would arrive today, so i applyed no pheros today. Becourse im at work i tried Instant Genleman but i will go for MX272 when i leave work. I will first wash the IG application points. btw. I had to work with a programmer from another corp today. I don´t know him well, but he did´t exactly what i told him. Like i was wearing A314. Cool. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2008, 1:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571/73 "2008-07-03T13:36:49Z")
Let us know how MX 272 goes… I’d be curious to know what that does. And I see you like the “Game” fragrance. I smelled some MX 203 yesterday and my nose is in great shape, and I figured out what it smells like. It’s very similar to the very modern Oriental/woody/spice type fragrances now days, I believe, like Allure pour Homme or Cool Water Game. Sort of a woodsy/Oriental smell, with patchouli or wood notes in the base. It’s fairly dilute though in [MX203](https://a314.com/product/mx203/). I’ll have to order something soon with Akuto in it to try out- “Game” would probably clash less though than the neroli with some fragrances I wear, the neroli is sort of an earthy/floral musk smell. ---
**Author:** ![Denied](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denied/32/1018_2.png) [@Denied](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Denied)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 10:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571/74 "2008-07-11T10:12:55Z")
I got a lot of work to do the last few days. And so i thought i try P79. Dosage: I sprayed 1x 15mcg when i come tor work and again 1x Spray after 4h I tried it on Monday and tuesday without A314 to check if it does anything on its own. It does! I was working more concentrated. Normaly i first check email, then start to surf to my usual forums and post there, after about 3h i start working. Not this time (as you can see i was rarly here the whole week) I just checked email and started working. It was easy and i felt not stressed. IMO P79 brought me in some working mood. I added A314 on Wednday, Thursday and of couse Today. P79 does not really overpower my usual 2 drops of A314 but keeps me in working mood. ---
**Author:** ![Denied](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denied/32/1018_2.png) [@Denied](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Denied)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 10:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571/75 "2008-08-15T10:49:08Z")
So.. i was away… camping for the last 3 weeks. A camping place is a nice location for using and testing pheros. Ammo / Game Scent 2x … Usually i only use 1 Spray but i did´t see anything so i started using 2 sprays. I added about 3 drops of TAA oil. I didn´t get the OD reaction i had a few weeks ago..??? Maybe i got used to it? Or the TAA Oil i a perfect buffer… Reactions: I used it constantly in the morning. On my way back to the caravan i allways met others on their way to the washing rooms. Once or twice women staring at me… yes. really staring. I was checking myself if i was dirty or something and as they realised the blushed. And there was agirl crowd every morning who was talking girls stuff and after the 3 day. they start to talk about me and where giggeling.. i noticed one girl saying “…cute…” Yes… ammo is working quite good for me. but i have to be carefull with OD… Mx272: i appled 2 sprays after 6 hours after the ammo in the morning. I did that every day 🙂 Over the 3 weeks i used the whole togo bottle and i did´t see any reactions from it. Sorry… I tried to use some TUTH but in a caravan with two kids there was now chance for me and my wife… but i noticed the bought preservatives the next day… ?! Maybe she was aroused but didn´t show. So thats all to report for now. The plan is to check more about MX271 the next days. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 11:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571/76 "2008-08-15T11:15:21Z")
It has been a long time since you posted. Camping for 3 weeks, that sounds very nice. You’re lucky to have alot of time off like that. ---
**Author:** ![Denied](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denied/32/1018_2.png) [@Denied](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Denied)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2008, 8:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571/77 "2008-08-18T08:22:49Z")
Right i am little less active here. But i will post ever good hit i have. Promise! ---
**Author:** ![DssMaster](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dssmaster/32/1686_2.png) [@DssMaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DssMaster)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 4:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571/78 "2008-10-13T04:39:35Z")
> [@Denied](#): > > **Report: The [TUTH](https://a314.com/product/p83/) testing Week** > Its is better to write soon, so i cannot forget anything. So i will just add every day here with the edit function. > > **Monday:** > I started the day as usual with 2 Drops of A314. I do that always except on weekends and holydays. I´m adding one spray of IH 4x if i have an important meeting or something like that. But not today. > I will no longer mention it. its always the same. > > I restartet my martial arts training. I was getting a few lessons some time ago. I liked it, so i will just start getting some lessons again. > Training is at 20.00 so the ususal Work mix shouldn´t be that strong anymore. To boost my first impression i applyed > 1 drop of A314 to the top of my head > 1 spray of IH 4x to the back of my head (hair) > 2 sprays of Instant Female Magic ( i know that there is a female trainer) > > when i arrived i noticed the group has totaly changed. Nobody (except the 2 Trainers) was from the old crowd. About 7 guys and 2 girls. > The Trainers didn´t even say hello, back again? They just nodded a short “welcome back” and i was immediatly integrated. > Training startet and one of the girls was right next to me. > Warmup … coordination blabla… everone needs a partner… > guess ?? > > Sure! I got the girl who was standing next to me. We talked a little while we where training and i had real problems keeping up. It was truly goddamn exhausting, and felt week. Had to pause several times. I was SO out of form. 😠 > I have to train a bit more. > > After training, i sprayed 2 shots of TUTH (becourse its TUTH week) and it looks like a good congruence to me. > > At Home my wife was still wake and waching tv. We were joking a bit but we soon go to bed. She said she had awful headache and did only stay awake to ask me if i enjoyed the training. > > **Thuesday:** > A314 as usual. Added 2 sprays of Ammo. I just felt that way. Self effects are always cool. > work work work…coming home. Nobody there. > > Sprayed 1 TUTH togo… My wife came home with the kids, but reminded me that she will meet her girls at 20.00 and i have to take care of the kids… > Damnit. i forgot about that. I was huffy. And after she claimed her notebook while i was in Skype with Steve i was angry. But i told me it was from the none that day and stayed cool. I went to the bathroom and had a short shower. It was a hot day afer all… > I felt immediatly relaxed and becourse i love it so much i sprayed 2 Instant Shine 2x 😃 no more none today! > No wife… kids asleep… time for “Age of Conan”… > > I don´t know what bite me but i sprayed 3 TUTH togo after 2 hours gaming at about 22.30. My wife came home about 1h later. She told me she is sorry to come home that late. > ??? I was confused. Why does she excuse? Maybe if it was 02.00 or something like that but it was still Thuesday. So i was just just saying “ok no problem..” > We talked a bit and went to bed… Then sniffed a bit and asked "Are you smelling like that? " > Me: “What?” > She: “Kind of Moldy” > Me in joking tune: “Could be… haven´t had a shower” > > She touched my neck and started palming me. But she felt asleep about 1 min later 🙂 > > // Hey i read a lot about the smell of Androstenone but moldy was new for me… > > **Wedesday:** > Starting day as usual. I was adding one shot of ammo when i came home. Found a note that i should change bedcloth (? we changed them last week) > My wife arrived a little later and was stressed. We had to manage where kids stay for the weekend and some other stuff. She was unusually pissed today. > Even straying 2 shot of Instant Female Magic didn´t work well today (thats what normaly work) > > Maybe the 3 TUTH from yesterday with none from the 2 drops A314 and the final 1 shot of Ammo were adding up? Can´t imagine becourse i have a long shower every morning and i´m using soap to get rid of the pheros. > > I did not spray anything else and tried to manage everything. Wasn´t in very good mood then too… Bad Day! > > **Thursday:** > Starting day with 2drops of A314 and one spay of Ammo. I´m in a good mood today and maybe i´ll add some shine at work. Nothing to report that day. > > **Friday:** > Hey weekend is coming. Today my P79, MX203, TAA oil and IO 2x will arrive. Im going to camp this weekend. > > After Work about 14.30 i tried TAA. 1 drop TAA to each wrist. 1 Drop to each side of the neck. (whole 4 drops) +1 Spray of P79 > It starts getting really funny when we packt our stuff in our car picked up a friend and hit the road. > Man, i gonna tell you, we were laughing the whole tour. Everyone was so silly… > > **Saturday:** MX203 Day > > I wantet to try MX203. Had a shower in the morning. No A314 becourse im Camping. I reapplyed one Spray every 4-5 h. > The IOIs hit me like a rock in the face. > There was a young blonde girl about 19. I was just talking normal smalltalk with her and she starts smiling very often and after she started playing with her hair my wife was calling me. > She: “Hey you… stop talking to other women when they start playing with their hair!” > Me: “Huh? Why that, we where just normaly talking” > That was so much fun. I had a few other IOIs from her this day and everytime my wife noticed she came over and hug me, giving me kisses and so on. But that didn´t stop the IOIs. > But i tried to stay a little away from the girl. Don´t want any trouble with my wife. > That wasn´t that easy. She came over for a chat every time my wife was away. It was finaly over when i showed her the pics of my kids and started talking about getting a third 😃 > > I saw more IOIs form MX203 in one day than from Ammo in 4 Weeks. But thats a little unfair. I haven´t tested Ammo in such an environment and although i got it with me, i wanted to stay with MX203. > **MX203 rocks!** > > **Sunday** > BAck home in the evening, when Kids are in Bed i sprayed 2 shots of TUTH and went to bed. My wife was already there and i started to pet her a little. > She was asleep 5 min later… Great report, I’m starting to think [MX203](https://a314.com/product/mx203/) might become a favorite of mine as well, after so many good results from so many people in this forum 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DssMaster](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dssmaster/32/1686_2.png) [@DssMaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DssMaster)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2008, 4:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571/79 "2008-11-30T04:25:52Z")
> [@Denied](#): > > **My Dirty Talk Mix** > > Hey Pros, i made this just for fun so please be nice with me. And yes. I know it is silly and a waste of money to mix up well tested and balanced products from the instant line. > > **So please don´t try this at home!** > > As you know i have s 30ml bottle of IS/A with x5 cops. Hm i have to use it… > hm… i have some old NPA, i have never seen results… > Harris has recommended that wearing Instant Sexyness as a man should be combinated with man pheromones… > NPA is -none… -none is THE man Pheromone > > lets see _g_ \*exactly 3ml of NPA left… > … it is recommended to mix 1:5 with cologne… > … damn… no cologne here… > -\_- … ah here are my Pheros… lets take some of those… > > _grap empty 30ml Shine Bottle and wash it_ > > Here comes the mix: > > 3ml NPA > 8ml Instant Sexyness x5 copilns / grapefruit > 2ml Instant Honesty 4x > 4ml Instant Openness 2x > 1ml P79 > > So the NPA is mixed 5:1 with … other pheromones > > I call it my Dirty Talk Mix, becourse it is basicly a combination with copulins, -none and big alpha & betanol. > > Feel Free to comment 😃 > > REPORT: > > - Every time i use this mix i get a erection. It makes me really horny. Doesn´t matter if im at work or in the evening. It makes me damn hot. > - It still smells. Have to cover it good with something that fits to neroli and grapefruit. Smell gets weaker after 20 mins. > > Had to go shopping. I played a little helpless and asked young woman mid 20 aboutz where i can find some of the products of my shopping list. > She stayed with me till i got all products in my cart. Constantly advertising me cheaper or better products. If this is not a hit??? Hey I was just wondering if you have any more results with this Dirty Talk Mix you made. ---
**Author:** ![Denied](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denied/32/1018_2.png) [@Denied](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Denied)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2008, 2:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571/80 "2008-12-01T14:22:59Z")
Yes, i have constant hits with this mix 🙂 But: 1. It smells really bad to me and you have to cover it good. 2. Its a party mix. I haven´t had the oportunity to go to alot of partys. But if i compare maybe… Ammo. I had better hits this my Dirty Talk mix. It is exactly its Name: Dirty Talk with complete Strangers. Takes about 15 mins to warm up where you have to start a conversation. Then it hits almost every time. But as i said, i tested this stuff about 5 times with 1 extreme hit (probably could have that girl) 2 good hits (very hot flirt), 1 hit (nice flirt) 1 Negative Hit (YOU STINK) [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571.md?page=3) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-denied-journal/12571.md?page=5)