# The effect of copulins (woah)

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**Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\
**Created:** [July 13, 2009, 8:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-effect-of-copulins-woah/30656 "2009-07-13T08:53:06Z")\
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**Author:** ![oom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/d26b3c/32.png) [@oom](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/oom)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 4:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-effect-of-copulins-woah/30656/51 "2009-07-20T16:06:57Z")

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> [@diane999](#):
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> It is very hard to assess whether or not you are getting the rise in testosterone from self effects, since looking for something specific in yourself can block it. It is a paradoxical reaction that is well known in the mental health field, and a technique that is actually used to reduce phobias and anxiety.
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> There are saliva test kits which you can order online. You will need to send the test kits back to the lab for analysis. I’m not sure how accurate they are compared to blood tests, but it is a better method for checking your baseline against any rise or fall than nothing but subjective self reporting; and was the method used in the Jutte study.
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> Diane

I am familiar with something similar to what you describe above to do with testing called the The _Hawthorne effect_ which \*\*works in a related but opposite way (ie;- the knowledge of being ‘watched’ ‘triggers’ behavioural changes, not suppresses them).

The saliva test is a step too far as I was after some _noticeable self-effects_. Some others have mentioned these self-effects in the forums, but nothing conclusive so it was a personal test for me. **Re: Pheromones and Bodybuilding** ([Pheromones and Bodybuilding](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-and-bodybuilding/3518/3))  
**Re: What pheromones/mixes work at the gym?** ([What pheromones/mixes work at the gym?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-pheromones-mixes-work-at-the-gym/1633/11))  
As I mentioned I am quite used to spotting behavioural, personality and mood changes in myself based on a great decade-plus of ‘chemical assistance’ and I caught nothing. Nothing before, nothing during, nothing after - baseline all the way.

It could be that the first thing the testosterone-spike is ruin my self-awareness though 🙂 - now that would be interesting.

Good luck with your formulation and testing. I’ll be interested in trying it out when it’s ‘done’. The EOW’s going to the back of the cabinet for now.

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